Harm Reduction New! - Cold Water Extraction Mega Thread & FAQ

[Volcano]

My mother is at an end-of-life stage. She's in pain 24/7 She gets all the Percocet she wants from hospice but won't take more than 3g of APAP per day (she was a nurse and does not want liver trouble) with this method, I could give her the pain relief she needs without killing her, via liver toxicity. She doesn't want to die, she just wants a few more pain-free months with her family.

Thank you all for this method! Now she'll get the 160mg (plus or minus) oxycodone she needs. (Oxycontin does not work, we tried it) Oxycodone works as well as morphine but with far fewer side effects, according to my mother.

We'll save the morphine for the final days.

Nice story. Good luck with your mother

 

[jackie jones]

My condolences, piano man.

 

[FormerPianoMan]

Thanks, we've all made our respective peaces. She'll now be more comfortable, thanks to this thread.

I'm actually astounded that hospice does not provide pure oxycodone solution, w/o the APAP as it does with morphine.

 

[Sublimit]

hey i've been successfully CWE'ing codeine from APAP for a while now, but last night i put on a brew using the exact same technique that gives me pretty much clear codeine water, but this time i used ibuprofen/codeine tablets for the first time and my solution is far from clear.... is this normal... i used more water as was suggested in another thread in ADD

no i haven't drank it yet, just would like some confirmation before i do thats all, cheers.


EDIT; already been answered 4 me. thanks : )

 

[Jabberwocky]

yeah, the ibuprofen containing products in australia tend to be a lot more clouder than the apap mixes. pretty sure it's something to do with the binders and fillers in the pills.

 

[Sublimit]

Pholcodeine?

just read read the last 4 paragraphs to get to the point. the first half of this post is pretty much just a combo report/experiment lol

I just CWE'd the same dose but using the generic brand(chemist own)ibuprofen200mg/codeine 12.8mg x 30 pills = 384mg of codeine. I found that the difference in brands to be that the generic left me with a lot less by-product/ibuprofen/fillers in my fine silk filter, as well as my solution, which filtered fast through the coffee filter, was a lot more cloudy. really white.

i used 100ml of water for 30 pills and then re dissolved the damp clay like by-product in another 50ml of water and did a second filtration and i also re filtered the initial 100ml of extracted cloudy codeine with paper towel + tissue x2 + paper towel all on top of a coffee filter, by that time the other 50ml solution was dissolved again and poured in with the re filtering initial 100ml of codeine. Using the brand name gets a way clearer solution and are left with what seemed almost double the by product?? weird.

While i was re filtering my 150ml of codeine water (5 layers) i had an idea to use my old wheel filters that i've saved up from micron filtering oxycontin. just kept drawing up 3 ml at a time and ran the white solution through a .22 micron which resulted in clear strong codeine water. I got 2 uses out of each filter before it blocked, which i had 7 of. It pretty much doubled the filtering time and i also think i got around a 5mg oxycodone bonus:D

speaking of potentiating codeine.... i was having a look at Drug_mentors extremely useful codeine potentiating thread in ADD(shame it is closed) i also had a big glass of red whine with 90mg of oxazepam, some bi carb soda, 50ml of rikodine(DHC) Plugged 200mg of tramadol and finally tried this other dry cough syrup 50ml which has pholcodeine and phenylephrine hydrochloride, 50ml and 32.5mg respectively.... something i'm interested in

before anyone gives me shit about plugging 200mg of tramadol, even though it passes the first pass metabolism system, it's actually an effective ROA for tramadol. I don't want to get into the pharmacology of tramadol, but I'm more interested in 'pholcodeine'

up until now i had never heard of it and just looking at wiki it doesn't have much info on it's relative strength, but it freely crosses the BBB and it's half-life is on par with buprenorphine that very impressive.

does anyone have any experience with Pholcodeine? It's all kicking in as i'm typing this, but the only downside is the Phenylephrine in the cough syrup. it raises blood pressure and i feel it's counter-productive to have a completely desired efficient effect. In fact my brand name dose of CWE'd 384mg 3 nights ago had more euphoria and the only potentiating i did was oxazepam. It would be good if Pholcodeine came in a preparation without the counter-productive Phenylephrine.

shit that was a long rambling post, but i'll never buy the cheap brand of ibro/codeine again, and not sure about the Pholcodeine... to sum it up in a nutshell, something has dulled the codeine euphoria, but i feel a strong opiate body load and i reckon the duration will have legs... i can just tell. I actually prefer the taste of codeine/APAP... as much as i hate apap it seem more efficient to filter.

 

[S.M.F.G]

theyve done something to the chemists own brand they fuckin suck to filter now has anyone else noticed this? im not extracting atm as im perscribed straight co phos tabs. but the last one was a nightmare.. anyone else had this happen?

 

[Evad]

Pholcodeine has no euphoric/analgesic effect Sublimit

 

[axe battler]

I just drank about 400mg codeine from a CWE of 14 30/500 co-codamols about 4 hours ago. Would it be safe to do this again later? I'm not concerned about ODing on the codeine, just the paracetamol. I think my technique is good: freezing cold water (100ml) and two sets of coffee filters; the solution is almost clear etc. etc.
Thanks!

 

[FormerPianoMan]

Perfect example of harm reduction:

My terminally ill mother now gets her 120mg/day of Oxycodone w/o the APAP, no liver issues AND she's mobile for a few hours each day.

Before the CWE method, she'd limit herself to just a few Percs a day in fear of liver disease. Now, the sky's the limit and she has a (relatively) pain-free time.

She even has the fortitude to visit and have a coffee with her friends; before she was bed-ridden with pain!

THANK YOU, BL!!!!!!

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Nick

 

[TheLostBoys]

Perfect example of harm reduction:

My terminally ill mother now gets her 120mg/day of Oxycodone w/o the APAP, no liver issues AND she's mobile for a few hours each day.

Before the CWE method, she'd limit herself to just a few Percs a day in fear of liver disease. Now, the sky's the limit and she has a (relatively) pain-free time.

She even has the fortitude to visit and have a coffee with her friends; before she was bed-ridden with pain!

THANK YOU, BL!!!!!!

Sorry to hear about your mother.....Its amazing why the doctors wont give pain patients like your mother the proper medications, it boggles my mind!

 

[Levvytation]

Pholcodeine

(In the UK).

Pholcodeine is the result of the manufacturers attempting to produce an alternative to Codeine Linctus that still has the 'dry tickly cough supressant' effect but without giving the high that codeine gives.

1. It certainly works in stopping the high...an absolute waste of time bothering with it.

2. It also is less efficient at suppressing dry tickly coughs than Codeine Linctus is.

The big chemist chains will not sell you Codeine Linctus OTC full stop, they will try & fob you off with pholcodeine instead...just don't even bother trying.

3. Some small independant chemists will still sell you the Codeine Linctus...wonderful product, a 200ml bottle contains 600mg codeine with NO other active ingredients....you just glug half a bottle, no need to extract anything.

And here's a tip. If a chemists does sell the Codeine Linctus but are suspicious bastards & try to fob you off with pholcodeine, tell em your doctor has told you not to drink alcohol...codeine linctus syrup has miniscule alcohol content, whereas pholcodeine contains a good wallop of ethanol in it!

Hope thats helpful.

 

[FormerPianoMan]

Sorry to hear about your mother.....Its amazing why the doctors wont give pain patients like your mother the proper medications, it boggles my mind!

I know! They will throw all the percs and vics and pure morphine that she can stand (up to 16 percs/day) but NOT pure oxycodone liquid. Why? I can never get a straight answer. Makes absolutely no sense, does it? They seem hell bent to poison her with Tylenol or make her comatose with morphine!

But worry not, TLB, this CWE method has improved her quality of life by an order of magnitude!!!

She even had me drive her to the park and she took a stroll....she got to feel the sun on her pale skin and enjoy the day. Today was a GREAT day for my mother. She's also sleeping SO much better! You'd swear she didn't have colon cancer. Her abdominal pain is just about gone.

Thank you for the warm words, TLB.

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Nick

 

[SnrG]

sorry to hear about your mum

I know! They will throw all the percs and vics and pure morphine that she can stand (up to 16 percs/day) but NOT pure oxycodone liquid. Why? I can never get a straight answer. Makes absolutely no sense, does it? They seem hell bent to poison her with Tylenol or make her comatose with morphine!


But worry not, TLB, this CWE method has improved her quality of life by an order of magnitude!!!

She even had me drive her to the park and she took a stroll....she got to feel the sun on her pale skin and enjoy the day. Today was a GREAT day for my mother. She's also sleeping SO much better! You'd swear she didn't have colon cancer. Her abdominal pain is just about gone.

Thank you for the warm words, TLB.




Sorry to hear about your mum. My aunt was in a similar position in a hospice in dublin with a brain tumour, but they gave her enough morphine and other opiates to cover all the pain. The side effect was that she was totally stoned when I went to see her there. They let the patients, 19 of them, drink whisky and smoke as well. Pretty much let them do anything they wanted. It was actually an uplifting place - my aunt said "The tablets they give me cost a fortune, but make me feel great. This place is so good , people are dying to get in" ! Then she and a patient friend went into hysterics!

I'm sorry to hear the nurses aren't managing her pain. I'd complain to the doctors about that. All the best with the extractions in the mean time. I was too lazy the last few weeks to extract, and took nurofen plus x 32 per day, and after a week, my abdomen was very swollen, and I got bad pains. When i switched to a paracetamol and codeine mix, I would get very nauseaus and puke a lot. I took this stuff to calm an anxiety I have around work, and don't take them at other times. I would strongly recommend colleagues to NOT take codeine with additives, as they harm the stomach, heart and kidneys "ibuprofen" and the liver with paracetamol. Thats what the docs told me when I od'd on a mix of spirits (2 btls whiskey and 64 nurofen plus. They put a camera down my gut and said I had bad gastritis - patches of damaged gut, as well as a very
swollen liver.

 

[BlueberryfishY]

Do it like this guys

How to CWE.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wdV2YOa4Xc&feature=related

 

[Sublimit]

Pholcodeine has no euphoric/analgesic effect Sublimit

(In the UK).

Pholcodeine is the result of the manufacturers attempting to produce an alternative to Codeine Linctus that still has the 'dry tickly cough supressant' effect but without giving the high that codeine gives.

1. It certainly works in stopping the high...an absolute waste of time bothering with it.

2. It also is less efficient at suppressing dry tickly coughs than Codeine Linctus is.

The big chemist chains will not sell you Codeine Linctus OTC full stop, they will try & fob you off with pholcodeine instead...just don't even bother trying.

3. Some small independant chemists will still sell you the Codeine Linctus...wonderful product, a 200ml bottle contains 600mg codeine with NO other active ingredients....you just glug half a bottle, no need to extract anything.

And here's a tip. If a chemists does sell the Codeine Linctus but are suspicious bastards & try to fob you off with pholcodeine, tell em your doctor has told you not to drink alcohol...codeine linctus syrup has miniscule alcohol content, whereas pholcodeine contains a good wallop of ethanol in it!

Hope thats helpful.

Thanks guys n yeah was helpful, i'll keep that in mind when i eventually run along to Ingurland.

Does the Codeine Linctus contain anything that deters one from consuming whole bottle? the only otc opiate cough syrup here(DHC) contains sorbital which turns to shit unless timed right, can relieve a strong WD and more.... if purchased and consumed strategically*


* individual results may vary

 

[TheTwighlight]

Is there a way to extract the butalbital from Fioricet?

 

[sappy]

Hi all! New here & this is a way cool forum especially since that arguing thing seemed to have ended..

FormerPianoMan: sorry about your mom. I wish her the best...

@TheTwighlight regarding Fiorcet, it's was said in an older post that you can but the caffeine will still go through.

 

[What was it?]

CWE pics

A photo series accompanying the CWE process would be great.....if anybody;s in the mood?

 

[doppelganga196]

These days i only ever buy 1 brand of codeine pills as these are the best for extracts, those ones you get from boots are absolute filth; they put something in it to make the apap more soluble.

Always chill the mix b4 filtering, those who just use tap water are making a mistake. If you chill the stuff down to 10 c this lowers the solubility of the apap giving a CLEAR extract!

I also hear those of you like levvy who have a problem with pholcodeine; last time i had a horrid cold i bought some of this stuff knowing full well it qouldn't give me any pleasant buzz but the disgusting shit didn't even touch my cough. I cannot find a chemist that still sells it, some fuckers actually told me they dont sell codeine cough syrup without a script! Nonsense! & there they have morphine syrups but no codeine.