Its the benzo that laughs in the face of Phenazepam. Blanket ban must be coming. No other category of drug will have fucked up so many people by the end of all this. GPs are gonna have to thing their re policy on scripting out Diazepam.
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Its the benzo that laughs in the face of Phenazepam. Blanket ban must be coming. No other category of drug will have fucked up so many people by the end of all this. GPs are gonna have to thing their re policy on scripting out Diazepam.
steewith2ees
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Ive heard alot of stories about super potency with sub milligram active doses, but actual trip reports make the effects sound very similar to flubromazepam, which while being super heavy doesnt seem to be generating the bloodbaths and horror stories that phenazepam did. Maybe selling flubromazolam in doses (blotters/pellets) rather than grams of raw powder is at least making people consider their doses more carefully, seeing as how at least SOME RC benzo users are aware of the problems caused by eyeballing dunts of phenazepam as if it was whizz (or do I have too much faith in uk druggies)
I still havnt taken flubromazolam or clonazolam as the only vendor i trust and use stocks neither
As a massive fan of flubromazepam i cant see what extra effects flubromazolam would provide, apart from leaving me open to overdoing it more easily, and sending my already raised tolerance so high that i would never be able to achieve an effect from a benzodiazepine again
As good as clonazolam sounds, i already have access to a cheap and steadysupply of auden generic 0.5mg clonazepam tablets, so i dont see the point atm
foolsgold
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deleted because i should of know better
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Shambles
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No "What drug should I take?" questions allowed, FG. I know that isn't exactly what you are asking but you really need to define the question more to make it allowable. Asking about specific points of comparison is allowed but blanket "which drug...?" type questions are a no-no. What is it you are really wanting to know? Surely more than just whatever the first person to reply tells you to buy based on nothing at all so what are you asking people to opine on?
foolsgold
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its ok ill delete it any way as ive placed the order and gone with proscaline again
well i was confused because i heard that 2c-e was the best one only to read that its not a nice one can be very nasty on the body and was wondering out the ones on offer which was best
any one tried this yet NM-2201 its a noid by the way
well i was confused because i heard that 2c-e was the best one only to read that its not a nice one can be very nasty on the body and was wondering out the ones on offer which was best
any one tried this yet NM-2201 its a noid by the way
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Shambles
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The 2Cs are so very different there's no way to define "the best" - they're completely different from each other. 2C-E is often described as being perhaps the "deepest" of them with a distinctly detached and analytical feel - excellent for self-examination but also some potential for purely recreational use too. Perhaps the most akin to LSD of any of the 2Cs but can cause quite intense nausea for some. 2C-C is very short acting (around 4h) and by far the most visual for me. Much fluffier stuff with no speedy feel at all (which is unique amongst the psychedelic amphetamines afaik). Much more suited to purely recreational use but can have it's moments of intensity too. I 
all the 2Cs for their own unique effects myself.
all the 2Cs for their own unique effects myself.
foolsgold
Bluelighter
i got put off them when they were called subbies yeah i know that's slag for something to do with methadone or some smack replacement but the deaths from them just put me right off
Shambles
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I'm not familiar with deaths relating to and of the 2Cs myself and have never heard them called "subbies". There have been instances of people accidentally taking several hundred average doses in one or two instances and - aside from the most intense trip of their lives - no physical harm reported. Got a linky to 2C-related deaths cos I would be interested to learn more if you do.
foolsgold
Bluelighter
christ no i am taking around 2000 i think it was could of been a little later ill try and find it the happened in yorkshire like so i see what i can find
Not that it makes it fact but elsewhere here I see a post stating 2Ci's LD50 has been established to be 14.7 mg/kg ORAL
A rough calculation would suggest you'd need a gram or more to get to that level, that is a serious error and a great deal of 2Ci to have kicking about.
I've not ever heard of deaths from any of these either but I guess there is a toxic level so it must be possible
A rough calculation would suggest you'd need a gram or more to get to that level, that is a serious error and a great deal of 2Ci to have kicking about.
I've not ever heard of deaths from any of these either but I guess there is a toxic level so it must be possible
foolsgold
Bluelighter
now i am wondering if was if was a mix up now between suboxone and this something like that fuck really cant think now
found this 2C-I, The New Bath Salts: Synthetic Drug 'Smiles' Blamed For Deaths Across The Country, But No Zombie Behavior Yet
A new synthetic drug, 2C-I, is replacing bath salts as the hallucinogen of choice among teenagers, and while the substance has not led to zombie behavior, it’s been blamed for a number of deaths in the United States.
Police departments are trying to keep up with 2C-I, which has the street name “Smiles,” and warning teens and other users of its effects.
"I think [the drugs] just keep changing to try to circumvent the law," Grand Forks, N.D., Police Department Det. Lindsay Wold told Yahoo Shine. "Anytime we try to figure something out, it changes."
Grand Forks is familiar with 2C-I after an 18-year-old from the city, Christian Bjerk, overdosed on the drug and died on a sidewalk, according to CityPages.
Bjerk’s death was linked to a tainted batch of Smiles, East Grand Forks Police Department Lt. Rod Hajicek told the website.
The bad drugs “"seems to be isolated to the Grand Forks-East Grand Forks area right now, but anytime we have two individuals dead within a couple days of each other, that certainly gets our attention."
Hajicek was referring to Elija Stai, 17, of nearby Park Rapids, N.D., who died after ingesting 2C-I mixed with melted chocolate.
Stai was given smiles by a friend, 18-year-old Adam Budge, who now faces 25 years in prison after being charged with providing the 2C-I to the teen.
Budge, of East Grand Forks, was charged with murder, manslaughter and controlled substance charges, according to WDAY.
Witnesses who saw Stai after he ingested 2C-I said he was “shaking,” “growling,” and “foaming at the mouth,” when he then “started to smash his head against the ground” and looked possessed, according to Yahoo Shine.
Stai’s behavior resembled those who were under the influence of bath salts, another synthetic drug that made headlines over the summer.
While bath salts were initially suspected to fuel the actions of so-called “Miami zombie” Rudy Eugene, who ate the face off victim Ronald Poppo, the synthetic drug was not found in Eugene’s system.
But bath salts have been linked to violent and sometimes odd behavior, like the case of a man who broke into an Ohio home and started putting up Christmas decorations.
Since 2C-I is a novel drug, only recently becoming popular in the United States (Smiles first emerged in Europe in 2003,) law enforcement and hospitals face difficulties in detecting the drug because of its synthetic nature.
"The unfortunate thing is if kids who are overdosing on 2C-I go in to the hospital with a physical problem, a lot of times they can't test for it so it doesn't show up as a drug overdose," Wold said.
Those who have experience using the drug often give reviews of 2C-I on YouTube or Internet message boards.
A message board on phantasytour.com is filled with people who endorse 2C-I use while others warn of its dangers.
User dwtk called 2C-I “legit as f--- if you know you’re taking it” and went on to describe his hallucinations while on Smiles.
“[L]ast time i took that s--- i couldnt even see in front of my face because of the visuals but i could walk and talk like i was sober,” they said.
“2ci is pretty weird s--- if you ask me,” said user Golgiiguy. “I found the residual effects a couple days later to not feel right. We got into it when L [LSD] was pretty much nowhere to be found for a number of years. No interest to dabble in the RC [research chemicals] anymore.”
“FYI this s--- is in the ‘lightning bolts,’” opined user Mango99.
User FutureMan discouraged message board members from experimenting with Smiles.
“I have been trying to tell people this for the last yea [sic,]” he said. “My girlfriend is an ER nurse and she has seen some kids come through that have lost limbs and nearly die because of this s---.”
found this 2C-I, The New Bath Salts: Synthetic Drug 'Smiles' Blamed For Deaths Across The Country, But No Zombie Behavior Yet
A new synthetic drug, 2C-I, is replacing bath salts as the hallucinogen of choice among teenagers, and while the substance has not led to zombie behavior, it’s been blamed for a number of deaths in the United States.
Police departments are trying to keep up with 2C-I, which has the street name “Smiles,” and warning teens and other users of its effects.
"I think [the drugs] just keep changing to try to circumvent the law," Grand Forks, N.D., Police Department Det. Lindsay Wold told Yahoo Shine. "Anytime we try to figure something out, it changes."
Grand Forks is familiar with 2C-I after an 18-year-old from the city, Christian Bjerk, overdosed on the drug and died on a sidewalk, according to CityPages.
Bjerk’s death was linked to a tainted batch of Smiles, East Grand Forks Police Department Lt. Rod Hajicek told the website.
The bad drugs “"seems to be isolated to the Grand Forks-East Grand Forks area right now, but anytime we have two individuals dead within a couple days of each other, that certainly gets our attention."
Hajicek was referring to Elija Stai, 17, of nearby Park Rapids, N.D., who died after ingesting 2C-I mixed with melted chocolate.
Stai was given smiles by a friend, 18-year-old Adam Budge, who now faces 25 years in prison after being charged with providing the 2C-I to the teen.
Budge, of East Grand Forks, was charged with murder, manslaughter and controlled substance charges, according to WDAY.
Witnesses who saw Stai after he ingested 2C-I said he was “shaking,” “growling,” and “foaming at the mouth,” when he then “started to smash his head against the ground” and looked possessed, according to Yahoo Shine.
Stai’s behavior resembled those who were under the influence of bath salts, another synthetic drug that made headlines over the summer.
While bath salts were initially suspected to fuel the actions of so-called “Miami zombie” Rudy Eugene, who ate the face off victim Ronald Poppo, the synthetic drug was not found in Eugene’s system.
But bath salts have been linked to violent and sometimes odd behavior, like the case of a man who broke into an Ohio home and started putting up Christmas decorations.
Since 2C-I is a novel drug, only recently becoming popular in the United States (Smiles first emerged in Europe in 2003,) law enforcement and hospitals face difficulties in detecting the drug because of its synthetic nature.
"The unfortunate thing is if kids who are overdosing on 2C-I go in to the hospital with a physical problem, a lot of times they can't test for it so it doesn't show up as a drug overdose," Wold said.
Those who have experience using the drug often give reviews of 2C-I on YouTube or Internet message boards.
A message board on phantasytour.com is filled with people who endorse 2C-I use while others warn of its dangers.
User dwtk called 2C-I “legit as f--- if you know you’re taking it” and went on to describe his hallucinations while on Smiles.
“[L]ast time i took that s--- i couldnt even see in front of my face because of the visuals but i could walk and talk like i was sober,” they said.
“2ci is pretty weird s--- if you ask me,” said user Golgiiguy. “I found the residual effects a couple days later to not feel right. We got into it when L [LSD] was pretty much nowhere to be found for a number of years. No interest to dabble in the RC [research chemicals] anymore.”
“FYI this s--- is in the ‘lightning bolts,’” opined user Mango99.
User FutureMan discouraged message board members from experimenting with Smiles.
“I have been trying to tell people this for the last yea [sic,]” he said. “My girlfriend is an ER nurse and she has seen some kids come through that have lost limbs and nearly die because of this s---.”
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
Took the plunge again and am currently enjoying 3-FPM, only ordered the lone gram - after the total meltdown at the end of last year I've learned that bulk stimulants and I are not a good mix, to say the least! 8(
I still cringe when I see some of the posts from that time period, went absolutely batshit insane and ended up losing my house, lucky I wasn't found dead with a pipe in my hands, if I'm entirely honest.
3-FPM is still one of the best stims I've used, can be functional at low doses and incredibly recreational at the higher end of the dosage range. It isn't Methamp/Phenmetrazine level euphoria, admittedly, but it's not that far off. Just as fiendish though.
ROA seems to make a massive difference, oral provides a rather smooth, "clean" stimulation with a none-too-shabby duration. It also feels, to me at least, rather empathogenic when consumed, the dosage is a bit higher than other routes so I've only a few experiences with the oral route. The nasal route seems more efficient with regards to dosage, and is less geared towards functional use than ingestion, obviously. However, the benefits really don't justify the significant tissue irritation it causes. Worse than EPD and approaching that of the agony that is insufflated 2C-x compounds.
Given my fixation with "chasing the dragon", most of my consumption is via inhalation. It vapourises beautifully, cleanly and gives a damn fine "rush". Vapourising seems much more euphoric and recreational than any other route, though this obviously makes the redose compulsion even more significant. Oddly, it doesn't seem to hit all at once like most inhaled stimulants, rather unfurling over the course of about twenty minutes and growing in intensity with each one. Also seems to affect my perception of time more significantly than other, similar, drugs - on Amphetamine Sulphate, for example, hours and days fly by with me barely noticing, if asked to estimate the time, I am certain to be a few hours behind, 3-FPM on the other hand just makes it impossible to estimate the time in a much more muddled fashion.
I will stress again; the redose compulsion/fiendishness is absolutely obscene - on par with vapourised Cocaine and Methamphetamine.
I still cringe when I see some of the posts from that time period, went absolutely batshit insane and ended up losing my house, lucky I wasn't found dead with a pipe in my hands, if I'm entirely honest.
3-FPM is still one of the best stims I've used, can be functional at low doses and incredibly recreational at the higher end of the dosage range. It isn't Methamp/Phenmetrazine level euphoria, admittedly, but it's not that far off. Just as fiendish though.
ROA seems to make a massive difference, oral provides a rather smooth, "clean" stimulation with a none-too-shabby duration. It also feels, to me at least, rather empathogenic when consumed, the dosage is a bit higher than other routes so I've only a few experiences with the oral route. The nasal route seems more efficient with regards to dosage, and is less geared towards functional use than ingestion, obviously. However, the benefits really don't justify the significant tissue irritation it causes. Worse than EPD and approaching that of the agony that is insufflated 2C-x compounds.
Given my fixation with "chasing the dragon", most of my consumption is via inhalation. It vapourises beautifully, cleanly and gives a damn fine "rush". Vapourising seems much more euphoric and recreational than any other route, though this obviously makes the redose compulsion even more significant. Oddly, it doesn't seem to hit all at once like most inhaled stimulants, rather unfurling over the course of about twenty minutes and growing in intensity with each one. Also seems to affect my perception of time more significantly than other, similar, drugs - on Amphetamine Sulphate, for example, hours and days fly by with me barely noticing, if asked to estimate the time, I am certain to be a few hours behind, 3-FPM on the other hand just makes it impossible to estimate the time in a much more muddled fashion.
I will stress again; the redose compulsion/fiendishness is absolutely obscene - on par with vapourised Cocaine and Methamphetamine.
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
Took the plunge again and am currently enjoying 3-FPM, only ordered the lone gram - after the total meltdown at the end of last year I've learned that bulk stimulants and I are not a good mix, to say the least! 8(
I still cringe when I see some of the posts from that time period, went absolutely batshit insane and ended up losing my house, lucky I wasn't found dead with a pipe in my hands, if I'm entirely honest.
3-FPM is still one of the best stims I've used, can be functional at low doses and incredibly recreational at the higher end of the dosage range. It isn't Methamp/Phenmetrazine level euphoria, admittedly, but it's not that far off. Just as fiendish though.
ROA seems to make a massive difference, oral provides a rather smooth, "clean" stimulation with a none-too-shabby duration. It also feels, to me at least, rather empathogenic when consumed, the dosage is a bit higher than other routes so I've only a few experiences with the oral route. The nasal route seems more efficient with regards to dosage, and is less geared towards functional use than ingestion, obviously. However, the benefits really don't justify the significant tissue irritation it causes. Worse than EPD and approaching that of the agony that is insufflated 2C-x compounds.
Given my fixation with "chasing the dragon", most of my consumption is via inhalation. It vapourises beautifully, cleanly and gives a damn fine "rush". Vapourising seems much more euphoric and recreational than any other route, though this obviously makes the redose compulsion even more significant. Oddly, it doesn't seem to hit all at once like most inhaled stimulants, rather unfurling over the course of about twenty minutes and growing in intensity with each one. Also seems to affect my perception of time more significantly than other, similar, drugs - on Amphetamine Sulphate, for example, hours and days fly by with me barely noticing, if asked to estimate the time, I am certain to be a few hours behind, 3-FPM on the other hand just makes it impossible to estimate the time in a much more muddled fashion.
I will stress again; the redose compulsion/fiendishness is absolutely obscene - on par with vapourised Cocaine and Methamphetamine.
Yes! That pretty much describes 3 fpm in a nutshell...
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
You still using, FUBAR? 
Will also note; watch your fluid intake, 3-FPM is quite bad for dehydrating me, I won't drink for hours until I'm pretty much shrivelled. Seems to have diuretic properties, though that could be the coffee I need to function as a human being.
Will also note; watch your fluid intake, 3-FPM is quite bad for dehydrating me, I won't drink for hours until I'm pretty much shrivelled. Seems to have diuretic properties, though that could be the coffee I need to function as a human being.
growit&smokeit
Bluelighter
Are you referring to the 2ct7 deaths around 2000? From my understanding. 2ct7 has far more body load than other 2c drugs and is a much heavier trip. I did 2ct7 3 times and while amazing the body load was scary and I spent 15-20 minutes of each trip fearing for my life.
F.U.B.A.R.
Bluelight Crew
You still using, FUBAR?
Will also note; watch your fluid intake, 3-FPM is quite bad for dehydrating me, I won't drink for hours until I'm pretty much shrivelled. Seems to have diuretic properties, though that could be the coffee I need to function as a human being.
I've had a break over the weekend mate to try and reset tolerance levels. You're right about fluid intake though - it seems to remove all desire for anything other than more 3fpm. On a run, I stop sleeping, eating, drinking alcohol and smoking tobacco. You just don't seem to need to consume anything apart from more 3fpm...
foolsgold
Bluelighter
am not sure now i remember it was to lads form somewhere in Yorkshire that died but im think that could of been suboxone that they took now its that long since
itsonlyme123
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They were called ceebeebies in west Yorkshire which sounds similar to subbies, kind of? Yellow tablets as I recall.
Sprout
Bluelight Crew
Probably a good idea tbh, I could see dependency forming very quickly with 3-FPM. Tolerance does seem to rise rather exponentially, too - the first few doses are certainly pretty special, but it quickly loses the euphoric edge and instead becomes a pretty typical stimulant with quite heavy peripheral effects. It has all the hallmarks of a "binge stimulant"; initially greatly euphoric but with rapidly diminishing returns, a short acute duration but heavy residual stimulation, remarkable redose compulsion, potential for functional use but a sharp dose-response curve, increased potency via intranasal/inhalation/injection over oral use, strong anorectic properties...
I could go on but I think I've made my point.
I am quite fearful for this being banned, not because I enjoy it, but I could see it being sold en-masse to unsuspecting "weekend warriors" and causing serious issues, not unlike the emergence of EPD as "Magic".
foolsgold
Bluelighter
that could be of been it that they got the to mixed up and thats how they died