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Sammy G said:
Yes, once. On one of those Mad Hatter tabs which were in massive circulation maybe 2-3 years ago (sold as LSD, of course).

It wasn't a bad experience per se, but there was a lot of the gastric discomfort and bodyload that you'd associate with AMT itself. It took a couple of hours to really come on, and I was never quite 'there', though I was moved enough to walk into a bookshop, read aloud from an Oswald Mosley biography and buy a copy of St Augustine's Confessions of a Sinner because I thought it had been put there for me.

I had to add (real) acid into the mix eventually though. as on its own it just wasn't worth the accompanying discomfort and uneasy feeling.
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I had those exact blotters, think i took 3... was very boring compared to acid. I don't recall to bad a bodyload though..

But yeah, dull..
 
Rio Fantastic said:
I am totally out of the loop. Would you mind expanding a little? What do the abbreviations stand for and what drugs do they compare to?
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Methiopropamine (MPA) is a thiophene ring-based structural analog of methamphetamine originally reported in 1942.[1] Chemically it is not a phenethylamine or amphetamine and is not their functional analog either. It originally appeared for public sale in the UK in December 2010 as a "research chemical" or "legal high", recently branded as Blow.[2] It has limited popularity as a recreational stimulant

Ethylphenidate (EP) is a psychostimulant and a close analog of methylphenidate. The two drugs have very similar pharmacological effects.[medical citation needed]

Ethylphenidate acts as both a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, meaning it effectively boosts the levels of the norepinephrine and dopamine neurotransmitters in the brain, by binding to, and partially blocking the transporter proteins that normally remove those monoamines from the synaptic cleft.

this one will destroy your nose though damn lovely drug but it rots your nose out really quickly and painfully
 
foolsgold said:
Methiopropamine (MPA) is a thiophene ring-based structural analog of methamphetamine originally reported in 1942.[1] Chemically it is not a phenethylamine or amphetamine and is not their functional analog either. It originally appeared for public sale in the UK in December 2010 as a "research chemical" or "legal high", recently branded as Blow.[2] It has limited popularity as a recreational stimulant

Ethylphenidate (EP) is a psychostimulant and a close analog of methylphenidate. The two drugs have very similar pharmacological effects.[medical citation needed]

Ethylphenidate acts as both a dopamine reuptake inhibitor and norepinephrine reuptake inhibitor, meaning it effectively boosts the levels of the norepinephrine and dopamine neurotransmitters in the brain, by binding to, and partially blocking the transporter proteins that normally remove those monoamines from the synaptic cleft.

this one will destroy your nose though damn lovely drug but it rots your nose out really quickly and painfully
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A structural analog of methamphetamine? How is this not huge yet?
 
I really like MPA in small amounts and friends enjoy it in larger amounts, though I don't. It's the lesser of two evils but not really a great recreational substance.

I think you'd be best off with regular modafinil shambles, no reason to bother with inferior products when the original is legal.

5-MeO-aMT is currently legal in the UK but widely agreed as being a bit shit.
 
To be honest I only ever bothered with MPA once and found it utterly forgettable. For me EPH is pretty horrid as far as pretty extreme vasoconstriction goes but does improve on the second or third day. Generally not really worth it in either case in my book. MPA seems essentially pointless and if I'm gonna take a stim that's a bit brutal initially that mellows via the medium of fiending I'll stick with me peev for as long as it's available. Or until I get that place in rehab anyway. Whichever comes sooner.

Transform said:
I think you'd be best off with regular modafinil shambles, no reason to bother with inferior products when the original is legal.
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It's mainly convenience of acquisition I'm thinking of to be honest. Also cost - have heard very mixed opinions regarding cheap generic modafinil and the branded stuff costs sillymoney I do believe. Not summat I've ever really looked into, mind. I generally like stims that stimulate but that's not so practical for... well... practical purposes and summat more along the lines of just being a lil lift would certainly come in handy for those times when I need to actually do stuff of a practical nature. Which would be far more often than I currently do 8)
 
I think MPA is the result of some chemist thinking "Ooh, that looks a bit like methamphetamine but it'll be legal!" and then making it, testing it, being disappointed at how shit and unlike meth it is, but then thinking "Well it does something so let's sell it anyway".

Ethylphenidate is great in low doses (almost low enough that you can't feel anything) to give your productivity a boost. Same idea as Methylphenidate (Ritalin) and in fact almost exactly the same molecule. But if you take a bigger dose you do get some euphoria, but it seems to have a very strong compulsive effect and a drive to make you want more.

I'm also interested in trying the absurdly-named modafinil analog and also 3,4-CTMP (another ritalin analog) because really it's the productivity boost I'm interested in and something without abuse potential is more appealing to me. But I've not tried either of those yet as they're a bit on the expensive side.
 
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I've found most stimulants cause some degree of shrinkage, which can make certain things difficult. But then there's a lot more to sexy time than "insert peenus in vaginer".
 
Shambles said:
Speaking of stims, is there much consensus opinion on that modafanil analogue I refuse to call by the utterly moronic brand name? I quite fancy a "functional" stim that is actually functional and preferably not recreational.
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The one with the moronic brand name is exactly what you're looking for.

I've been using it regularly, with breaks inbetween during which I feel no sort of craving. I've only ever felt the need to increase the dose twice (to counteract booze / benzos) and I've not really had any urge to redose.

Doesn't dilate your pupils, makes you attentive and chatty but not obviously high like speed often does, and there's not much anxiety to speak of.
 
Rhombus said:
I'm also interested in trying the absurdly-named modafinil analog and also 3,4-CTMP (another ritalin analog) because really it's the productivity boost I'm interested in and something without abuse potential is more appealing to me. But I've not tried either of those yet as they're a bit on the expensive side.
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I'd skip the 3,4-CTMP myself unless you have will of iron cos is pretty darn fiendy. Kinda like EPH if I compared with anything in that it's not really enjoyable as such but will keep you going back for more all the same. I found it a bit "speedier" with less of the unpleasant physical side-effects so would probably rate it higher than EPH but it's also a long-acter from memory which - along with high potency - can lead to difficulties of various kinds if overindulgence occurs.

Sammy G said:
The one with the moronic brand name is exactly what you're looking for.

I've been using it regularly, with breaks inbetween during which I feel no sort of craving. I've only ever felt the need to increase the dose twice (to counteract booze / benzos) and I've not really had any urge to redose.

Doesn't dilate your pupils, makes you attentive and chatty but not obviously high like speed often does, and there's not much anxiety to speak of.
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Kewl. Thanks for the info :)

That's exactly the type of thing I'm after really. When I want recreational I'll use recreational substances but I really could do with a distinctly non-recreational, relatively mild stim for the purposes of just doing stuff that I simply never get around to doing otherwise.

Incidentally, have you yourself also used modafinil itself previously? If so is there enough difference to be bothering about? Sounds to me there probably isn't really - especially if, as in my case, have never had "the real stuff" to compare anyway.
 
Never tried Modafinil itself, no. I'd be interested to see the difference, if there is a significant difference. From what I've read about it though, this seems to do the exact same job and hasn't (so far) presented any worrying side-effects.
 
I've had good success ordering the cheapest modafinil I could find.

Speak for yourselves on MPA considering its legality it is an essential part of my toolkit, good for getting things done and also good as a mild recreational stim. It can go higher but the side effect profile is not acceptable to me past 50mg.
 
I used to quite enjoy MPA from time to time... I did find it's not suitable for re-dosing too many times because of the vasoconstriction though.
 
Not suitable for and not doing anyway are not mutually exclusive unfortunately. MPA is in the (fairly large) category of RC stims that are essentially nothing but tail-chasing pointlessness for me. Too abusable to be "functional" and nowhere near close enough to being truly recreational to be worth the iffy side-effecty aspects. YMMV and all that naturally.

That other new stim I forget the name of but was mentioned here recently sounded intriguing but initial reports had the whiff of another MPA ("it's a methamphetamine analogue!!! (ps it's also a bit shit)) style disappointing analogue of a hallowed original. That 4F-MDPV thingy (don't think that's actually what it's called but is apparently what it is) sounds promising, mind. Much nearer the 4F end of the spectrum than the PV end it looks like. Summat a bit like 4F-A with longer legs (4F-A is great but incredibly stumpy in the legs department :!) seems like a winner to me so is on my ToDo list.
 
will give that about the side effects of mpa 2 years ago at christmas i did in 25g over a few weeks and blow my hip out of place it will not go back in and i know that because of this that at some point i will have to have it replaced
 
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