New (and less new) RCs - Alphabet Soup

[foolsgold]

Whats the general opinion on BK-2CB? Worth a go? That's the only RC that sounds appealing to me at the moment.

mixed reports http://www.bluelight.org/vb/threads...-one-Now-available-in-the-UK?highlight=BK-2CB

 

[afctu]

Cheers, dunno how I missed that thread.

 

[afctu]

I thought oral ROA usually made for a longer duration than nasal?


Seems very variable according to reports.. A mate has tried it and said it didn't really hit the spot, though.

Hmmm that's a shame. It sounds right up my street. Haven't tried 2cb yet though so maybe I should tick that off the list first.

 

[swampdragon]

Yeah, 2C-B is pretty nice.. if you have access to that I wouldn't bother with the bk-, from what I've read.

 

[Tryptamite]

I stand corrected. Anybody have a clue on ROA for REC? Tried insufflating it and vaporising it so far with no profound effects.
Anyone know if this stuff is likely to get broken down as easily as coke if taken orally?

Worked up to a dosage of 50mg insufflated - increased heart rate, slight jaw tension and loss of appetite but nothing too interesting as of yet.

As you have tried 50mg insufflated with mild effects I would attempt oral trials starting from 75-100mg and working up to a desired level. I have always wanted to try high dose oral coke but a slight tolerance and more so the cost of the stuff has always prevented it. Coca tea is nice. Mild but nice.

I doubt this REC will be better than cocaine but in the name of science I'll try it.

 

[Shamanism]

Does anybody have any info on this new pentedrone analogue that is being stock piled atm?
Not shure why I would need a replacement, but it might be better afaik almost everything is still available in EU but here goes:

IUPAC:1-(3,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)pentan-1-one
Sold as: DL-4662

CAS: 854662-81-1

Formula: C15H23NO3
Molecular weight: 265.35
Compound purity: > 99.7%
Related substance: Total Impurities(%) ≤ 0.3%
Appearance: White powder
IUPAC:1-(3,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)pentan-1-one
MS sheet (PDF)
NMR/HPLC sheet (PDF)
DL-4662 with a systematic or IUPAC name of 1-(3,4-dimethoxyphenyl)-2-(ethylamino)pentan-1-one has an exact mass of 265.17 and a molecular weight of 265.35. The chemical formula for DL-4662 is C15H23NO3. Research on the compound is very low but it is known to be an analogue of Pentedrone, which means it has similar characteristics.

"To learn more we will examine research completed on Pentedrone. The chemical formula for Pentedrone is C12H17NO with an average mass of 191,279994 Da and a monoisotopic mass of 191.131 Da.

Research on Pentedrone was conducted by ACD/Labs’ and ChemAxon. Properties that were predicted by ACD/Labs showed 2 #H bond acceptors, 5 #Freely rotating bonds, index of refraction at 1.507 with a surface tension of 34.93 dyne/cm, a flash point of 107.223 °C and a boiling point of 289.371 °C at 760 mmHg.

Properties that were predicted by ChemAxon included a topology analysis, which showed an atom count of 31, bond count of 31, cyclomatic number of 1, chain atom count of 8, chain bond count of 8, asymmetric atom count of 1, and rotatable bond count of 5. Under geometry, the information provided showed deriding energy of 32.52 kcal/mol with a volume of 198.76 Å3, a minimal projection area of 43.68 Å2 and maximum at 57.15 Å2.

Chemical and physical properties of DL-4662 include a heavy atom count of 214, topological polar surface area of 29.1, covalently bonded unit count of 1, feature 3D acceptor count of 1, feature 3D donor count of 1, feature cation count of 1, feature 3D hydrophobe count of 1, feature 3D ring count of 1, and effective rotor count of 5."

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Sofar Pentedrone is my favorite substitute for Charlie but far less fiendy, much less of a comedown if any and overall find that my body finds it more agreable (specifics will be another topic) , havent tried the peev nor a-PVP as I am fond of my sanity brushed with a brief psychotic episode in my days on my coke diet...and would like to avoid anything like huge psychosis. Weidness I can handle but I want to remain somewhat stable and in touch with reality when needed and the big and dandies made me decide to look for substitutes which were more managable without any potential shadow people showing up etc..

Sofar tied:
-butylone this did nothing for me after brief experiment
-3-mmc very nice taken in gelcaps but more an emphatogen and feels strangly harsh on body, but no comedown, but more a party thing.
-Ethylphenidate utter crap, burns and the day after I get a mean temper and im normally not an agry guy so abandoned that super quick
-a-PHP imho crap does provide decent stimulation more an adrenalin feel than dopaminic euphoria, but hey didn't vape,plug or inject only nasal and sublingal so maybe then it will rock your boat, but im in no hurry to find out.
And various stims like the fa's nice but not for my nasal fixation. More instead of a dexie for a nice day it even make me nice to other people as added benefit
-just recieved some naphyrone, was dirt cheap, besides the bad stuff I just read about it I remembered reading a post that in small doses it actually is pretty decent..and that it was a pity it wasn't readily available anymore.

Shambles was this you? I can't seem to find the post as yours on subject were not exactly glowing, perhaps it was someone else but maybe you have advice for best results. (or are best results acieved by flushing lol)

Skipped Brehedrone no matter how popular in poland and vendor saying it's the best cathonine, I throw enough at those receptors as is ^__^

Next on the to do list is Pentylone not many glowing reviews about that either, but same goes for pentedrone in MDPV treads wher most find it useless, so it depends.

Would somenone know how Eth-Cat compares?

Is a-PHP really similar to MDPV in effect and as compulsive but less prone to paranoia as MDPV? Or does it differ with dose and route of administering like smoking base coke becomes a whole different animal and habit forming?

(I have found none only using nasal and subligual) How does euphoria from MDPV compare to good Pentedrone which imo has a fairly decent charly like body high. (Certainly more of a buzz than your run of a mill pub chalk)

See what I'm doing here?...(rationalizing if a-PHP similar to peev I could hande the peev, not going there)

But still want to form my own informed opinion, which is not always easy when people use 10x the recommended dose and then write a trip report.

What are your favorite cathinones/pyrovalerones?

 

[afctu]

Just buy mephedrone?...

 

[Shamanism]

Just buy mephedrone?...

Never had the stuff, but isn't that also more of a MDMA type 'roll' type substance? Lots of MDMA here but 'lost the magic' except 4 years ago when a friend relieved an old collection of various LEGENDARY pills from the early nineties were something else I tel ya, we had very pure MDMA too to compare them with, but these really had impact (perhaps also a bit of MDEA in them) We all had a huge grin on our faces.
This is purely here say but I was told they used fairly expensive high pressure equipment of some sort in these days that would be fairly dangerous in incompetent hands and they generally went on to use a more simpeler setup, but im no chemist so, but they definitely left modern mdma pils however heavily dosed in the dust. Too bad we ate all of them that summer
Heard Meph could cause blue/purple extremities, due to vasoconstriction, this put me off a bit, also also smelling of fish could backup my story that I'm finally employed at the docks unloading fish or something similar

Just read naphyrone could provide similar side effects, maybe preload a bit with L-Arginine, but rather not take it then.

Also it appears I have:
β-Naphyrone
1-naphthalen-2-yl-2-pyrrolidin-1-ylpentan-1-one
Formula: C19H23NO
CAS:850352-53-3

 

[afctu]

Never had the stuff, but isn't that also more of a MDMA type 'roll' type substance?
Heard Meph could cause blue/purple extremities, due to vasoconstriction, this put me off a bit, also also smelling of fish could backup my story that I'm finally employed at the docks unloading fish or something of the sort.
Just read naphyrone could provide similar side effects, maybe preload a bit with L-Arginine, but rather not take it then.

More like coke, speed and MDMA rolled into one I'd say. Even though you read about it a lot, I've never had blue/purple extremities from it and never seen anyone else suffer with it either.

 

[Shamanism]

Thanks, thats what I thought, I'm not looking for sweaty palms rolling and hugging for now, but I do enjoy 4-FA (but mostly prefer 2-FA) you wouldn't tell if I was on it as you have a bit more control and more sociable then on dex alone for example

 

[ColtDan]

More like coke, speed and MDMA rolled into one I'd say. Even though you read about it a lot, I've never had blue/purple extremities from it and never seen anyone else suffer with it either.

Spot on

Ive had redish-purpley knuckles off it before, pins and needles in my hands and feet, awful vasoconstriction off pre ban. decent batches of meph are amazing though, incredible nights

 

[Leda]

Whats the general opinion on BK-2CB? Worth a go? That's the only RC that sounds appealing to me at the moment.

Rubbish imho, the 2C family best are 2C-E, 2C-T-7 & 25E-NBOMe

 

[ddhats]

Never had the stuff, but isn't that also more of a MDMA type 'roll' type substance? Lots of MDMA here but 'lost the magic' except 4 years ago when a friend relieved an old collection of various LEGENDARY pills from the early nineties were something else I tel ya, we had very pure MDMA too to compare them with, but these really had impact (perhaps also a bit of MDEA in them) We all had a huge grin on our faces.
This is purely here say but I was told they used fairly expensive high pressure equipment of some sort in these days that would be fairly dangerous in incompetent hands and they generally went on to use a more simpeler setup, but im no chemist so, but they definitely left modern mdma pils however heavily dosed in the dust. Too bad we ate all of them that summer
Heard Meph could cause blue/purple extremities, due to vasoconstriction, this put me off a bit, also also smelling of fish could backup my story that I'm finally employed at the docks unloading fish or something similar

Just read naphyrone could provide similar side effects, maybe preload a bit with L-Arginine, but rather not take it then.

Also it appears I have:
β-Naphyrone
1-naphthalen-2-yl-2-pyrrolidin-1-ylpentan-1-one
Formula: C19H23NO
CAS:850352-53-3

I don't know how you could so extensively test the cathinones and not try the king of the cathinones - 4mmc. It's by far the best, which is why it was so popular. I've tried 3-mmc myself and I think I may have acquired low quality material as I didn't really like it. However, the effects of good 4-mmc are similar to your experience with 3-mmc so if that's really not your thing then fair enough. You should give it a try though
I noticed that some vendors have started selling 2-mmc. Not seen any reports yet, but I can only really imagine this would be good combo'd with other stuff?

Oh and I also tried naphyrone before it was made illegal in the UK. I thought it was pretty decent, but it gave me the most horrendous comedown the next day. If you thought meph comedowns were bad, this was something else. So unlike 4-mmc it's not something I'd bother sourcing again illegally.

I'm interested to try pentedrone though.

 

[Shamanism]

Yeah I like pentedrone as a kinda diet coke, some very pure batches give a very nice coke high thats arguably better than most sosa nowadays..and plus its not fiendy as in must empty this pack despite already strung out on marching powderrr. Glad I found this, much more smooth and no more craving.

Regarding naphyrone there is the beta and the alpha version, beta is supposed to be smooth, but will report my findings
Also off course will find me a wee pirate who will lend me his cat, probably sooner than later. Thanks..

Shamanism

 

[Tryptamite]

Tried butyr fentanyl. Started at 1mg IV but needed at least 5mg IV from the get go to feel anything. I obviously have natural fent tolerance, same with duragesics. Have to say I am nodding like fuck now though. Was v sweaty and naseaous earlier too, think I over did it a little.

 

[MrPorter]

^ I think you're supposed to be responding to the festivals thread

 

[Transform]

It's likely to be about as stable as cocaine but the interesting thing is that oral cocaine is actually not as ineffective as people think. The short duration makes it seem shit but the bioavailability is actually comparable to nasal.

I thought oral ROA usually made for a longer duration than nasal?

That's correct but what I meant was more as follows:

Because cocaine has such a short duration the body metabolises it almost as quickly as it absorbs it from the stomach so oral administration appears ineffective in all but the largest doses.

 

[Shambles]

Tried some of that AH-wotsit recently. Must admit I was rather impressed. Didn't see much prospect of recreational value (only had a small sample, mind) but as an analgesic I was amazed. Supposed to be a bit less potent than morphine but was at least 3-4x the potency of morphine in terms of pure analgesia for me. 20-40mg had my backpain utterly vanquished - and that was during a situation where it's usually greatly exacerbated. Have seen many folk bemoaning lack of effect and ouchyburniness via several ROA, it's a freebase - vape it and it works just dandy and at considerably lower dose than y'all've been quoting. Still not convinced there's huge scope for recreational use but the analgesic effects were really quite spectacular. Shame it's not licensed really

we can mention branded stuff cant we ? as to find out what could be in it E-caine Smooth would be said thing

Legal high products in the UK (branded pills and powders) - for all your godawful crap needs

Just read naphyrone could provide similar side effects, maybe preload a bit with L-Arginine, but rather not take it then.

Naphyrone isn't even remotely comparable with even pentedrone let alone mephedrone or "MDMA-like" drugs - far more like MDPV gone horribly wrong. If you want MDMA effects take MDMA, short of that 6-APB/6-APDB is about as close as it gets with the RCs. Mephedrone is more fiendy and nearer to something along the lines of coke or speed (sort of - coke cut with poor quality MDMA maybe). Pentedrone is like poor quality mephedrone. Pentedrone analogues sound like something you'd have to be pretty damn desperate to even think of trying but maybe it'll turn up a surprise... I wouldn't count on it though.

 

[Sammy G]

Tried some of that AH-wotsit recently. Must admit I was rather impressed. Didn't see much prospect of recreational value (only had a small sample, mind) but as an analgesic I was amazed. Supposed to be a bit less potent than morphine but was at least 3-4x the potency of morphine in terms of pure analgesia for me. 20-40mg had my backpain utterly vanquished - and that was during a situation where it's usually greatly exacerbated. Have seen many folk bemoaning lack of effect and ouchyburniness via several ROA, it's a freebase - vape it and it works just dandy and at considerably lower dose than y'all've been quoting.

Glad you posted this, as I spent my one dalliance with AH-7921 vaping the stuff, only to get the internet equivalent of blank looks whenever I mentioned it around these parts.

I'm amazed at the fact that not many people seem to have tried that ROA.

 

[ferrett1979]

I don't know how you could so extensively test the cathinones and not try the king of the cathinones - 4mmc. It's by far the best, which is why it was so popular. I've tried 3-mmc myself and I think I may have acquired low quality material as I didn't really like it. However, the effects of good 4-mmc are similar to your experience with 3-mmc so if that's really not your thing then fair enough. You should give it a try though
I noticed that some vendors have started selling 2-mmc. Not seen any reports yet, but I can only really imagine this would be good combo'd with other stuff?

Oh and I also tried naphyrone before it was made illegal in the UK. I thought it was pretty decent, but it gave me the most horrendous comedown the next day. If you thought meph comedowns were bad, this was something else. So unlike 4-mmc it's not something I'd bother sourcing again illegally.

I'm interested to try pentedrone though.

Now is the time to try 4mmc as its as close to preban as it ever has been. Lots of really good batches out there 250mg bomb and you'll be loving it. No need to snort it as some dont like this method (well i do!). Best thing is to buy a g and no more as this will be more than enough for first time but if u've been doing other cathinones u may have a tolerance so maybe picking up 2gs for £30 is wise. It's so much better than 3mmc or any other of the 'fake/alternate' meph. Much more euphoria but doesnt leave in such a mess than mdma can. If u keep it steady the comedown is pretty much non existence. 6 hours kip and you'll be fine and it wears off alot quicker than all the other stims. Its got such bad press over the last few years but everyone seems to be enjoying it again Why u'd think about buying 2mmc or 3 mmc is a mystery to me but its your choice. Its a unique drug and imo isnt anything like decent mdma/coke and nothing at all like speed.
If u can get your hands on AL-LAD just try it, its a magical substance and so is 2ct7 if u can hack the bodyload some people get.
Trial meph, enjoy it and tell your friends it isnt that nasty drugs all the papers make it out to be!