[NBOMe Subthread] Laying Blotter

[crOOk]

See, in my opinion I am contributing to the forums as a whole here. Why do you not just drop the stuff on sugar cubes or follow my suggestion about the mini ice cube trays? It's simply absurd for you to choose blotter as a carrier imho.

 

[kidklmx]

Sorry, but you guys would rather have that all the distributors lay these things wrongly, resulting in uneven sheets and people dying? (bit dramatic, yeah) Already said the information is everywhere, why shouldn't people be able to find it here?

 

[crOOk]

Dude you do not understand what these forums are about. Let me (once again) draw a comparison here to synthesis discussion: If it was allowed here, we might prevent one or the other person from blowing himself up or poisoning himself. Still, it is not in the spirit of this site.

Bluelight does not support drug distribution or manufacture!

It is also a very important legal issue imho. I don't want this site to go down. The forums have deteriorated enough since the introduction of meph to the scene lol, this kinda shit draws the wrong crowd in.

That being said, I'd strongly discourage buying blotter altogether these days. Especially with all the tryptamines, phenethylamines and most importantly natural alternatives that are out there.

 

[Bigazznugz]

ice cube trays? and I don't think sugar cubes would work very good considering that you have to take this stuff buccaly not sublingualy you gotta link for ice cube tray tek that last post was bennifical but not the one before

 

[kidklmx]

You could try candy? A flat piece of gum or something like that. Or gelatine tabs?

And I guess from that standpoint you're certainly right, crOOk. It's a sensitive topic though, and there's some truth to both of our views. I'm all for free information, if ADD could exist with synth discussion then that'd be better, but hey, I wouldn't want this site to go down either

 

[Bigazznugz]

You read my mind kid hey do you got a tek for the gel tabs they might be very effective if u suck o on em.

 

[kidklmx]

Not really, but maybe this thread could help you on your way? (be sure to post your procedure beforehand, don't want things to go down wrong because of a miscalculation or something)

 

[crOOk]

Gel tabs are very hard to produce, much harder than anything else really, but on the plus side they are very reliable dosage wise and you can actually measure their mass to find out the dosage. They require a very specific kind of glass plate that is entirely unavailable in any other place but the USA and I think it's a good thing that this isn't public knowledge. I would probably talk about this in pm to some people, but I really don't think this sort of information should be accessible on bluelight, since it will again lead to people distributing research chemicals.

Blotter paper as well as Gel tabs have been associated with acid for a long time and even if the manufacturer would not intend to pass them off as acid, it will happen somewhere down the line. This is exactly why I do not advocate putting rc's on either.

It was my understanding that NBOME's are okay to consume orally once they are complexed with a cyclodextrine. Correct me if I am wrong.

Here is how I would go about creating ready-to-eat dosages of NBOME (complexed with cyclodextrine) for you and your friends:

Buy those Casabella mini ice cube trays. Now choose any recipe for candy that is available to you. Gelatine and sugar could be ingredients and you might want to add sodium benzoate for preservation purposes depending on what substances are used. You will find plenty recipes. Make sure NBOME's don't break down at the temperature at which your candy will turn liquid. Add the correct amount of NBOME to your liquid mixture. Fill this mixture into the ice cube trays, either fill them all the way up so you know the amount of liquid in each compartment is constant or measure out the desired amount with a syringe and only fill the individual compartments with that. Carnauba wax can aid to make these not stick to each other later on, applying it in an aesthetic fasion is a bit tricky though, but who cares. If your recipe is causing trouble with bubbles inside your candy, add either E471, E475, E479b or E900. Of these, E900 is the easiest to acquire. It's called Simeticon and should be in stock and OTC in every pharmacy of the industrialized world.

Now upon cooling these you will have ready-to-consume dosages for you and your friends, that are well suited for buccal absorption (just like those fentanyl lollypops), but can also be consumed orally if you so desire. These are not fit for commercial distribution and will not get you fucked for drug manufacture.

EDIT: Ironically, the geltab thread was closed...

It occurs to me that we don't allow questions about drug manufacturing on here, so closed this goes.

ebola

And for those who wonder, I know for a fact that the op was also in it for the money.

 

[kidklmx]

It was my understanding that NBOME's are okay to consume orally once they are complexed with a cyclodextrine. Correct me if I am wrong.

Nope, some people have hypothesized that it breaks down in the stomach to it's respective 2C-x counterpart, but that's never been confirmed

 

[Bigazznugz]

I remember one time I got locked up of the police and I had to gel tabs with powderedNbome in hydrochloride soft porn I think they were seven hundred and 50 micrograms each well anyway I had to eat both of them and what I g two trips but not oing in through booking I started to trip but not real hard I just saw a lot of tracers in that probably lasted for about 6 hours so whatever people say about oral bioavailability it does work at least for me it's kind of weird huh

 

[Bigazznugz]

sorry about my bad spelling I'm on my phone and I can't find the edit button

 

[Anon0631]

Bluelight does not support drug distribution or manufacture!

Every single one of us supports distribution and manufacture by buying, consuming and publishing data. To pretend otherwise is churlish. The general attitude here of looking down on distribution is utterly ill-considered. Without distributors, you wouldn't have any drugs to talk about in the first place.

Better that we inform on the safe distribution of NBOMe compounds rather than not dealing with the subject at all. So I'm going to contribute to the discussion with the number one HR tip for laying non LSD blotters: Label them clearly with substance and dosage information.

It was my understanding that NBOME's are okay to consume orally once they are complexed with a cyclodextrine. Correct me if I am wrong.

I'm correcting you because you're wrong.

 

[crOOk]

Every single one of us supports distribution and manufacture by buying, consuming and publishing data.

The bluelight forums do not encourage drug manufacture or distribution, never have and hopefully never will. You are twisting the words there.

I'm correcting you because you're wrong.

You come off as utterly arrogant, but I'm sure you are well aware of that. kidklmx has already corrected me in a polite way and I appreciate that. I really wasn't sure and was too lazy to research which is why I wrote that statement the way I did. I was simply trying not to make an unsubstantiated claim which you should also appreciate.

 

[Anon0631]

I really wasn't sure and was too lazy to research

Which is why I'm being arrogant.

There's enough unsubstantiated myth and misinformation floating around here. If you're going to make a claim, spend 30 seconds checking its validity.

 

[Solipsis]

I modded the thread and will call for staff discussion on the matter, it may have repercussions like us having to clean up the NBOMe threads.

This is because I think valid points have been raised, which quite frankly I did not hear before and I always try to put question marks next to matters like these. When these drugs just started getting popular I believe allowing discussion on it was welcome and I don't remember having big problems with it. People did have problems with users who came across as incapable who wanted to attempt to prepare and take NBOMe's. That was always a difficult issue.
Ultimately staff decides but it was never as easy and simple as you put it Cr00K, and we can really use other people's rationales so that we can make up our mind. Because volumetric measurement discussion is allowed and encouraged because it makes handling potent compounds safer and more practical. Is that manufacture as well? It is potentially.

The history of this matter is that when these drugs surfaced everyone who wanted to try it was asking about how to administer it without getting themselves and others killed. So a discussion started out of harm reduction to make sure people weren't left to their own wit. And people were helped doing this. If you didn't agree with it back then, please enlighten me. Because it seems hypocritical to act like we are just helping vendors and nothing more.
It turns out - unsurprisingly because all we needed to do is look at LSD - that blotters are very practical (if layed properly) because they divide a potent substance up into equally sized bits that can be dosed. The second most practical and popular is probably a solution of the drug.
Vendors of course picked up on this and they do the same.

The story in this previous paragraph is neutral: the information can be used or abused. Calling it manufacture, while having a basis in reality also seems a bit hysterical. Because exactly at what point did the information we provided turn into something bad? When it became a mass phenomenon? I guess yes.

They are already popular substances, we can't change that. So it may be that over time the negatives started outweighing the positives. People will continue to take these substances, people who "manufacture" doses themselves by turning potent powder into equal doses and keeping it to themselves. Or people who distrubute it.
The point is that even if blotters are a popular way of distributing NBOMe compounds, it is not just something inessential that is helping vendors but something that everyone at some point must do if they want to use the drugs without eyeballing it.

I think it is naieve to put it too simply, it is a complex matter.

So we have to deliberate about what to do.

 

[Anon0631]

It's pretty simple IMO. If everyone has access to buying 100mg of raw NBOMe, then everyone should have access to information on what to do with it.

Since when are we in the business of censoring HR information?

 

[crOOk]

It's pretty simple IMO. If everyone has access to buying 100mg of raw NBOMe, then everyone should have access to information on what to do with it.

Since when are we in the business of censoring HR information?

Here's what you do with it. Complex it with a cyclodextrine, put it into solution and use a syringe or dropping glass for administration. With the many difficulties to dose accurately when administering a piece of blotter I don't see any necessity for doing so.

Calling it manufacture, while having a basis in reality also seems a bit hysterical. Because exactly at what point did the information we provided turn into something bad?

When people started referring to "sheets". This goes past discussion of volumetric calculations for dosing imho. Btw in response to your question: I wasn't even aware that these threads exist, but have been discouraging people from using NBOME blotter the entire time.

 

[zn13bt]

I'm fine with helping individual users one-on-one. I'm not so happy with helping low-level drug dealers who are too careless and impatient to unload their product to do their own research, yet at the same time think they're entitled to a "tek" with everything explained to them in excruciating detail because they're too goddamn stupid to figure out how to do it on their own without hurting their customers.

 

[Anon0631]

I think a lot of people here are drawing a sharp distinction between 'users' and 'dealers'. Actually it's just one big fuzzy continuum with most of us falling into a grey area.

 

[crOOk]

I think a lot of people here are drawing a sharp distinction between 'users' and 'dealers'. Actually it's just one big fuzzy continuum with most of us falling into a grey area.

The law says otherwise...

EDIT: I do, too. In my experience there are dealers, users, dealers who use and users who consider it necessary to deal in order to be able to use.