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my massive codeine addtiction

Tried grape fruit juice the last few days... didnt notice anything too profound regarding potentiation.

Need to take a bit of a longer break anyway. 660mg didnt do much for me today when usually its adequate. Last week 720mg had me itchy as fuck. Even had 15mg diazepam today too. Was still pleasant but not as good as expected.
 
I was going to try white grape fruit juice, but could only find a mix of it and apple in the supermarket....
 
How to get more out of your codeine:

Don't waste your time abusing it. Save it for colds, flus, the runs, toothaches, headaches and other assorted misc. ailments.

If you really listen to this advice, you'll thank me twice and think me wise ;)
 
MrIbis said:
How to get more out of your codeine:

Don't waste your time abusing it. Save it for colds, flus, the runs, toothaches, headaches and other assorted misc. ailments.

If you really listen to this advice, you'll thank me twice and think me wise ;)
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That's a bit rich from someone who used to (still does?) shoot up heroin :p I mean opiate tolerance is opiate tolerance.
 
p-man said:
It made me so f*cking itchy I felt like ripping my hair out!! I ended up having to lie on an ice pack so I'd stop scratching!
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Funny you mention that. I used to get mild enjoyable itches but whenever I do CWEs now (whilst I am on Suboxone to stop my CWE habit) my whole body flares up, hands literally double in size, breathing becomes depressed, I scratch myself until I bleed, and on top of that get an acute headache.

Not sure whether this is the Suboxone or my body pretty much becoming allergic to persistent codeine use.....
 
Crankinit said:
That's a bit rich from someone who used to (still does?) shoot up heroin :p I mean opiate tolerance is opiate tolerance.
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What difference does that make? I didn't tell people not to recreationally use opioids - i said dont ruin codeine for yourself, because when you need it - it won't be there.

You can abuse heroin all you want - this won't really raise your tolerance to the medicinal effects of codeine as opposed to the euphoric effects. As the above poster mentioned since using all these drugs, I get severe histamine reactions to codeine these days aswell (more so in the forte preparations, not sure why not when CWE or used in a linctus).

When you run into a brick wall for easy treatment of common medical ailments you too will regret embarking down that path. It was nice when once upon a time 60mg of codeine was enough to make me nod nicely. 20mg still puts my brother to sleep pretty much - and we talk about common dosages for rec. codeine in the 300-800mg range. And he's not by any stretch of the imagination (on part with being my brother) drug naive or stupid.
 
Yeah but I cant buy heroin at the local pharmacy. Or order heroin online and have the shit turn up in my fuckin letterbox.

Rather get my opiate fix from codeine and deal with pain management when the need arises than have a heroin addiction.
 
DXM (dextromethorphan) goes a long way to smoothing out the codeine experience for me. This is my personal experience. I had read that it was a potentiator for codeine and thus decided to try it, but my experience was that it reduced the stomach discomfort I got and made the overall experience smoother, rather than making it stronger. A bottle of Benadryl (dry cough formula), though not especially cheap (approximately $17), goes a long way to making codeine more usable as a pain reliever/stabiliser. I take around 50mg of DXM (say five times the dose listed on the packet), about 30 minutes before consuming the extracted codeine.

Of course, DXM in larger doses has its own effects which are in their own category. As a codeine 'appertif', 40mg to 80mg should be enough. Less may be more in this instance. Also, larger doses of DXM shouldn't be had by those on SSRIs (which includes the most common antidepressants, such as sertraline).
 
What do you mean "smoother"?

Theres nothing about the codeine experience that I would describe as "rough", or not smooth at least.
 
pinkanga said:
What do you mean "smoother"?

Theres nothing about the codeine experience that I would describe as "rough", or not smooth at least.
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I used to get pretty brutal nausea and itching before I started eating a light snack and dosing antihistamines before drinking my codeine.

In fact 2 & 1/2 years on and I still have a good chance of throwing up if I take a nod inducing dose of opiates without an antihistamine :| My body needs to harden up!
 
You can abuse heroin all you want - this won't really raise your tolerance to the medicinal effects of codeine as opposed to the euphoric effects.
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I'm going to need to see a cite on this. Someone with a heavy heroin tolerance is going to get nothing out of codeine, medicinal or recreational.
 
MrIbis said:
What difference does that make? I didn't tell people not to recreationally use opioids - i said dont ruin codeine for yourself, because when you need it - it won't be there.
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that's jsut a ridiculous thing to say. Seems like you're finding a way to belittle people who only play it legal with OTC or easy to get prescription codeine combinations. Hopefully you were fucked up on heroin when you wrote this and you're not just a plain douche.

Are we playing who's the best dr shopper, dr scammer, heroin junkie or something while laughing at people who buy OTC?

I've seen this shit here before, if you seriously consider yourself above others because you're taking heroin while others buy over the counter then maybe try compelling yourself to better yourself at other things instead and gloat to those that care about that.

But. thanks for your ever so sincere warning about codeine. Yeah we get it, you don't need to stoop to buying codeine. You're an A lister junkie. .
 
I'm gonna have to agree, someone who's been using stronger opiates is going to get 'less' out of codeine than someone who's been using codeine recreationally, not more.

That said, it might just be a placebo, but I still find even very low doses of codeine have a mild synergistic effect with paracetemol/ibuprofen. I take OTC painkillers quite regularly for my back, and when I can be fucked putting up with the gestapo treatment from upjumped chemists, I get a noticeably better effect popping a few panadeine and N+ than I do from just taking panadol and nurofen. And that's with a fairly decent opiate tolerance from 2 years of regular use of stronger opi's.
 
No i'm not high, and haven't been for a while, to be honest the only drugs i've used lately were codeine linctus, for a flu - and xanax by prescription.

Codeine has many uses that it can be utilized for without going anywhere near the domain of recreational use.

Even just inducing constipation as a cheaper alternative to loperamide. The use here is uncanny.

I don't think myself better having used heroin, if anything i regret it. I regret using any opiates for personal pleasure. But the rest of you guys won't see that til you're too far through the rabbit hole to fucking listen.

I thought this thread was called "My massive codeine addiction"... not "my past heroin experiences". The best advice to give to a codeine addict - clean your fucking act up. Seriously, it won't kill you. There's 101 other substances you can use to supplement the 'pain' for a couple of days til the shit goes away.

As to anyone who doesn't agree that using a parent substance is going to create a tolerance to that drug directly (in this instance codeine) is nuts. Sure there is cross tolerance, but that's only a small facet of the issue. I stopped using codeine long before i was into heavy opiates.

Anyone who wants to use such derogatory terms as 'a-lister junkie' needs a fucking head check. I'm talking only from pure experience having been through the worst of it all. Ya don't wanna go there. Codeine is a gateway drug to heavy opiate use, and anyone who doesn't agree is nuts. I can guarantee that through your experiences you will consider heavy opiate use, and progress up the chain if you enjoy codeine - it's a given.
 
But for me heroin is just a no-go. I use codeine maybe 3 sometimes 4 times a week and it sates my needs. I have never and will never consider progressing up the chain.

I see what youre saying though... I just dont think its the same for everyone. If someone was using codeine every single day Id say they probably are a candidate for wanting to seek a heavier opiate and progress up the chain.
 
Going from my personal experiences I started and still currently using codeine. Went from codeine to benzos and codeine looking for things to potentiate it as tolerance was rising then morphine, heroin and eventually Hydromorphone till i got to the point where it got out of control and had to pull my life back together. If u are like me learned from my mistakes just stick with codeine if u really enjoy codeine.
 
Theres so many other variables though too. One of the biggest would have to be where you live... I know I would never touch heroin but if I easy access to oxy Id probably be fucking wreck. But I dont live in a city at the moment and its not readily available here so the temptation isnt there.
 
Regarding the use of medicinal doses of codeine; 60mg of codeine produced analgesia in no more then a few percent over placebo in trials against morphine. It is a weak opioid indeed, but one with a possibly very interesting pharmacology.

I'm about half-way through finishing up the FAQ; I'm adding in-line references using Mendeley as I go along so that there will also be a bibliography. If anyone has any interesting codeine related journal articles or the like that they think should be included, PM them to me. :)
 
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