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my massive codeine addtiction

I have to say that when using codeine daily for a few weeks or months when stopping I don't notice much WD symptoms but I always get mad depression for a few days ad it sucks bad. I smoke weed and drink piss every day anyway and usually if I am detoxing from codeine or whatever I will take benzo's for a couple days and even still I get depressed as fuck. I agree codeine addiction is about as mild as it gets but I wouldn't want to downplay how bad the withdrawals could potentially be cause I would rather be nauseas and unable to sleep than get that depressed again.
 
I have to say that when using codeine daily for a few weeks or months when stopping I don't notice much WD symptoms but I always get mad depression for a few days ad it sucks bad. I smoke weed and drink piss every day anyway and usually if I am detoxing from codeine or whatever I will take benzo's for a couple days and even still I get depressed as fuck. I agree codeine addiction is about as mild as it gets but I wouldn't want to downplay how bad the withdrawals could potentially be cause I would rather be nauseas and unable to sleep than get that depressed again.

Im with u on that one brother. Story of my life except I dont drink daily but do all the rest. Even tho Codeine is considered a mild OTC opiate u cant under estimate its WD's. Ive been using it 3-4 times a week for years even tho i could stop using hydromorphones which i had to force myself to stop (Severe WDs) but with codeine its so hard to stop and the depression does really suck bad if u do.
 
Its just about reminding yourself that there is light at the end of the tunnel i.e. "ok I take 3 days off now then I can have a mad sess on Tuesday (or whatever) when Im off work.

But fuck having some benzos on hand makes it SOOOO much more manageable. The physical pain as well as the mental shit. Should be mandatory for attempting a detox.
 
I did 3 days in a row this week, increasing the dose as i went....

Yesterday I think I was pretty close to losing conciousness, I had to keep myself awake and ensure I was taking deep breaths.

I took:

50mg promethazine
24 x 15mg codeine (panadeine extra CWE) - 360mg
6 x 8mg codeine (cold & flu tablets CWE) - 48mg

I also used 1kg of poppy seeds to make 2 poppy seed tea batches and had these at the same time.

I'm unsure how much codeine/morphine was injested, but obviously a lot...

Today and tomorrow I'm taking a break... see how i go.. I'm finding myself trying to source more potent opiates..... Which can only be a bad thing.
 
Thanks Belarki,

Only now am I starting to understand cravings.. I've never been a smoker or had any addictions (apart from caffeine/coke).

It's easy to judge people, until you are in their position.
 
^ Not judging you at all :) I was using codeine daily back before it was reschduled in March '10 and you could buy it online by the bucketful, no questions asked. Honestly I'd try to keep it to once a week, once you start taking it on weekdays it's very very easy to slip it into a daily routine, as half the people posting in this thread would attest to.

I'm mostly worried about you combining PST with codeine as the strength of that can vary greatly.
 
I did 3 days in a row this week, increasing the dose as i went....

Yesterday I think I was pretty close to losing conciousness, I had to keep myself awake and ensure I was taking deep breaths.

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I think this would be true of everyone...but someone can correct me if not. Your throat muscles {oesophagus?} become paralised well before your lungs give up. That sensation of your breathing not feeling right and maybe you'll stop breathing can be noticable at even low doses of codeine. Shouldn't let that freak out your relaxation, but if you can no longer swallow and you're dribbling everywhere, and your eyes no longer work properly, you see 2 images instead of 1, then that is when your muscles are greatly effected and maybe you could consider worrying.

A lot of people here will recognise those symptoms I"ve given as just normal for harder opiates, so I"m saying nodding off isn't dying and if you can swallow and see properly you most certainly aren't anywhere near overdosing. But happy for someone to disagree.
 
First and LAST time I did a CWE a couple weeks ago with 15 Panedeine Forte's. It made me so f*cking itchy I felt like ripping my hair out!! I ended up having to lie on an ice pack so I'd stop scratching! :! Taste almost me bloody gag as well lol

I'll stick to oxy's from now which don't seem to make me anywhere near as itchy for some reason..
 
I like the itch. Not to crazy, but a little neck and face itch is nice.

Gives me faith in my CWE technique too ;)
 
I gotta wonder even about CWE codeine extractions implications on the liver, Ive done my share and had some bad filters and thus bad mixes in the past and payed for it by givin my liver a thrashing, If ur in genuine pain OP, and ur doc thinks ur drug seeking, Go see another doctor... You are entitled to a second oppinion, In the meantime, just make sure ur filtering that CWE real good so uv got crystal clear water :/
 
I gotta wonder even about CWE codeine extractions implications on the liver, Ive done my share and had some bad filters and thus bad mixes in the past and payed for it by givin my liver a thrashing, If ur in genuine pain OP, and ur doc thinks ur drug seeking, Go see another doctor... You are entitled to a second oppinion, In the meantime, just make sure ur filtering that CWE real good so uv got crystal clear water :/

For what it's worth, I must have done hundreds of CWE's, including periods of daily use, as well as copious consumption of paracetemol without filtering, and my liver came up fine when I had it tested a few weeks back.

I'm not suggesting anybody go and get lazy and just munch panadeine by the box, but I also think that a healthy individual can withstand a lot more than is commonly believed. The occasional sloppy CWE that lets a couple grams of APAP in isn't going to do any long term harm.

I'm all for being cautious, but there's such thing as over-caution, it needs to be tempered with a bit of realism.
 
Yeah I think its all about the suspended solids. I really dont think much apap dissolves in the water even if its just cold straight from the tap. Its obviously smart and safer to cool it as much as possible but Ive done experiments where I filtered a bunch of pan fortes using just a shirt and cold tap water. Then I re-filtered with a coffee filter..... the liquid then was basically crystal clear btw.

Then I put the liquid in the fridge over night to see if any white stuff would precipitate out due to the water being cooler.... none seemed to. Even after filtering with a coffee filter again, the liquid went straight through and there was zero white stuff on the filter.

Regardless of that, I still say the cooler the better. Especially if just using over the counter generic apap/cod pills. The quantity you need to use is reason enough to take as many precautions as necessary.
 
Yeah I probably would've tried that tapering down but once the parents get involved it's a whole new story (was early 20s at the time). More damage to my life came through their persecution of my (frankly relatively mild) drug use, that the codeine alone ever caused (my parents are the type who have never touched a cigarette)! A codeine addiction (with the odd dihydrocodeine) really isn't very debilitating as it's affordable, you can still function daily (I even did study + exams while high all the time), and there are no noticeable health repercussions.

I did notice when I did take breaks from codeine, that the withdrawal period was relatively short. Your guts empty themselves (dear oh dear codeine constipation is bad, like trying to crap large marbles) within 30 hours, and you were fine within around 3 days.

Reading a book when I first started codeine CWE was magical. I would literally enter the story and observe it from every angle.

That's a sad story booknerd and slightly similar to mine. I started with codeine, plus some stronger stuff when I could get it, parents found out (I was about 16 or 17 I think) Went on subutex...still on subutex and time is ticking by ridiculously quickly...4-5 years are gone before you know it.

I've got some great memories of my codeine experiences...reading books, watching movies/tv shows, playing halo 2 online with friends. It used to make me really creative and I'd come up with some awesome stuff with my guitar/piano/keyboard, or draw some pictures, write some crazy stories etc.

Lower your dose brother. 14mg of suboxone is heaps. It's relatively easy to reduce down to 2mg or so (even though it sounds unpleasant it's no where near as hard as you think) I was on a high dose like you and it was ruining my life...made me so tired and uninspired, I stopped reading and didn't enjoy music as much, didn't bother to catch up with friends anymore, it fully changed my personality and it's easy to see why when you realize 14mg of bupe is a FUCKLOAD dose of opiate...plus you take it everyday and it builds up to even higher amounts in your blood.

Anyway....to cut a long story short I felt AMAZING on 2mg when I stabilized, compared to the 12mg+ it's like two different drugs. Parents always overeact and it sounds like yours did even more than usual.

Getting on bupe/methadone for relatively minor opiate addictions is madness. To stay on opiate maintenance for extended periods when you're young, and when your opiate abuse isn't debilitating is pure insanity. Get off ASAP, I'm on 0.2mg reduced from 0.4 last week and it's not easy. The longer you stay on it the harder it's going to be to live a chilled existence when you come off.

/rant over.

Yeah being a superconverter kicks arse...high five footscrazy? %)

I wonder if they'll ever come up with an opiate or similar drug that isn't addictive? I'm holding out for that one.
 
This thread seems to have become the general codeine discussion thread. This will not do; later on we should think about creating a proper thread, plus I have some new information regarding getting more out of your codeine that I'd like to share with the forum. :)
 
Definitely. A couple of weeks ago I thought about raising the possibility of creating a codeine master thread.

Guess I got side tracked. Mr Blonde you have piqued my interest.
 
General codeine thread without the detailed habit/addiction stuff would be great :) Sorry dudes probably should have sent that post as a PM.
 
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