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my massive codeine addtiction
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bobbydarren
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I only use codeine 400mg or less. I've never gone longer than 5days between doses. but even on day 5 I get bouts of unexplained nausea, sinus/nose runs, just a feeling of slight sickness & also my pupils are often much larger than they should be. They're all signs i'm attributing to codeine withdrawl.
I certainly wouldn't be making a thread about it though, it's really more a psychological addiction I think. You keep using because you want to, not because you have to.
bobbydarren
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I"ve never ever found that to be the case. Prefiltering with a shirt etc, then filtering the milky coloured water through the coffee filter always results in milky colourered water after filtering and virtually nothing in the coffee filter.
I've theorised that when you don't prefilter & just pour the solids & liquid into the coffee filter the solids themselves form a sediment filter, so your true filter is actually a mix of paracetamol & tablet filter, just held in place by the coffee filter.
I am using brown paper filters, what brand do you use, are they white or brown?
Chairman_Xi
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In all honesty, it's a bit of a lose-lose situation. Long term NSAID use leads to renal problems, blood pressure problems, GI problems; long-term paracetamol leads to hepatic issues but not much more. 4g of paracetamol a day in divided doses (1g a time) is actually the maximum recommended dose as mentioned earlier.
Unless OP has some sort of liver problem to begin with, the current dosage of paracetamol is fine. What I wouldn't be doing is going across to long-term NSAIDs; they're even worse. The only real reason why you'd want to CWE is if you want more than your current 240mg codeine, and in which case, would be totally justifiable. Also don't forget that paracetamol is providing pain relief at the moment as well, and indeed, according to WHO pain management guidelines, paracetamol should be used as an adjunct to pain treatments even in the most severe cases.
Unless OP has some sort of liver problem to begin with, the current dosage of paracetamol is fine. What I wouldn't be doing is going across to long-term NSAIDs; they're even worse. The only real reason why you'd want to CWE is if you want more than your current 240mg codeine, and in which case, would be totally justifiable. Also don't forget that paracetamol is providing pain relief at the moment as well, and indeed, according to WHO pain management guidelines, paracetamol should be used as an adjunct to pain treatments even in the most severe cases.
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i stopped because yeah basically i didn't care anymore about my life but now i do and ibuprofen makes your stomach bleed and absorb more codeine and "yeah such is life". now i am on antidepressants and Valium and use tramadol for pain when need or straight aspirin. It was more to do with state of mind the WD is not full on but the part of having that thing or friend in your life that there for you know. i ve tried must drugs but codeine was the one i loved except for the mythical mdma but ATM 2cb will have to do every now and then. oxy don't anything for me which i found strange. and weed was out the question and booze just makes life worse.
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footscrazy
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^ And I add crushed glass to pills to make them 'absorb better' 8)
This advice is pretty irrensponsible. 4 grams of paracetamol is the max advised daily limit, and shouldn't be taken all at once. Regardless, a cdub is a simple procedure, and saves your body a lot of uneeded stress in eliminating large quantities of unecessary apap or ibuprofen.
Chairman_Xi said:
This advice is pretty irrensponsible. 4 grams of paracetamol is the max advised daily limit, and shouldn't be taken all at once. Regardless, a cdub is a simple procedure, and saves your body a lot of uneeded stress in eliminating large quantities of unecessary apap or ibuprofen.
Chairman_Xi
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I don't see there being any reference to all of it at once.
footscrazy
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You're right, but the majority of users are going to take their codeine all at once, especially as low a dose as 240mg, and not qualifying that in your answer is misleading and potentially damaging. It's highly unlikely anyone could even get high on 240mg of codeine spread over the day, let alone describe it as a 'massive codeine addiction.'
Chairman_Xi
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He says he's using it for pain, and he said somewhere "60mg rush of codeine in the morning" or words to that effect.
No point bickering about that; point is, he's CWEing now anyway. My point still stands about daily dosing, though I will edit it slightly to avoid that confusion.
No point bickering about that; point is, he's CWEing now anyway. My point still stands about daily dosing, though I will edit it slightly to avoid that confusion.
Mr Blonde
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This is incorrect. Codeine has a pKa of around 7.8 or similar, and as a weak base it is better absorbed in the duodenum and intestine where the pH is around that level. In the acidic stomach, it is completely ionized and thus would cross cell membranes poorly if at all.
Footscrazy is also right about the APAP. 4 grams at once would be a potentially risky amount and this should be clarified.
Chairman_Xi
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Having said that, the point still remains that ibuprofen used long term and on an empty stomach carries with it a serious risk of GIT problems. This is due to it inhibiting COX-1, which is responsible for the regulation of gastric acid. In other words, NSAID = increased gastric acid secretion. So realistically, you're better off not using codeine combined with anything in high doses.
Seriously I think you need to see another doctor, one without stairs. Maybe your specialist can recommend one?
bobbydarren
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Interesting story. Just interested to know if you had any transient pain from either of your kidneys within 24 hours after the 30+ pills & also did you notice a hearing loss also within that period, but returns to normal. I get temporary hearing loss with a lot of ibuprofen/codeine tablets. It's not a dramatic loss of hearing, I wasn't even sure it was happening until I deliberately checked after a dose one night.
With panadeines I don't get that hearing loss so I attribute it to the ibuprofen. I may be more sensitive than others to hearing loss caused by nsaids. I went completely deaf for 2 days when I took too much aspirin once.
Mr Blonde
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I wasn't arguing with that; I was arguing with the ridiculous idea that making your stomach ulcerate and bleed will lead to you absorbing drugs better. 8)
pinkanga
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Yeah I should have been more clear when I said I the filtered solution is almost completely clear. With apap/para products its entirely dependent on brand. I find the real panadeine brand (regular/extra/forte) seem to be really good. I always get a really clear solution after doing my shirt/coffee filter process on a pack of P-extras. Rarely buy regular panadeine though for obvious reasons (less codeine
).Theres a particular brand of generic 10/500 caplets tablets that works well too (they are actually round tablets rather than the usual caplet shape that the chem brands typically are.
As far as ibu/cod products... well I never get a clear solution with them
I dont agree with you comment about the filter not having anything in it after doing the shirt-coffee filter process. Even when Im using really 'messy' brands that I know will leave the end result as a solution full of suspended solids I still find that my coffee filter ends up having quite a bit of white stuff on it afterwards.
Maybe try using different size filters, or even putting you liquid in the freezer again after you have doe the first step with the shirt. Ive noticed that sometimes getting hte liquid to just above freezing then pouring into the coffee filter seems to have a desirable affect on clarity of the final solution.
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Heres a pic of what is probably my best result yet. (Ive had others that were about the same).
I txt'd this to a mate because I was so proud of it. 360mg.
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drug_mentor
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I would like to say where I personally think that ibuprofen has a larger margin for error before it does someone damage I also feel using ibu pills over para pills for CWE is unwise as para pills tend to result in a cleaner solution which presumably contain less inactives.
I used to hammer ibu/codeine formulations and towards the end of non daily but heavy use I was experiencing serious gastric reflux most days. I have since found that somehow my tolerance devlops slower when I use the shit daily than 2-3 times spread throughout the week, since this discovery I have had a few stints of a few weeks where I hammered codeine once or twice every single day using exclusively para/codeine pills and gastric reflux was never an issue.
I do think its wise to do your first few extractions with ibu just because if you fuck it up the consequences are less likely to be deadly, but in terms of product making it into the end solution I find paracetamol infinitely superior.
I used to hammer ibu/codeine formulations and towards the end of non daily but heavy use I was experiencing serious gastric reflux most days. I have since found that somehow my tolerance devlops slower when I use the shit daily than 2-3 times spread throughout the week, since this discovery I have had a few stints of a few weeks where I hammered codeine once or twice every single day using exclusively para/codeine pills and gastric reflux was never an issue.
I do think its wise to do your first few extractions with ibu just because if you fuck it up the consequences are less likely to be deadly, but in terms of product making it into the end solution I find paracetamol infinitely superior.
Good to know you're not pirating games. Just joking.
How comes no one mentioned Gabapentin or Pregabalin, even Tramadol in this thread?
I know some people who were having lots of trouble getting Codeine too (I live in Argentina, opiates are even more regulated, of course you can buy illegal drugs easily and they are not so expensive) and they found Lyrica (and in some cases Gabapentin) a lot more useful than Codeine.
How comes no one mentioned Gabapentin or Pregabalin, even Tramadol in this thread?
I know some people who were having lots of trouble getting Codeine too (I live in Argentina, opiates are even more regulated, of course you can buy illegal drugs easily and they are not so expensive) and they found Lyrica (and in some cases Gabapentin) a lot more useful than Codeine.