my massive codeine addtiction

[opi8]

To the OP, it sounds like your tolerance to codeine is pretty low, so this may not be a viable option, but one thing you could talk to your doctor about is going on a short suboxone taper plan. For 240mg of codeine though I think that's overkill.

Maybe try some NSAID's like ibuprofen or diclofenac for your pain, even the ibuprofen/codeine preparations (still doing CWE) would be better for you. They're not great for your stomach and can cause ulcers, but they're a lot better for your liver which would have taken a pounding due to your paracetamol intake.

The good thing is the liver is very resilient and can repair itself unless you've gone way too far.

 

[footscrazy]

I'd be interested to learn from the more knowledgable members on here about using naltrexone to lower tolerance for those with a habit.

Please 8)

As I said, if you'd read my post, ultra low dose. 1-10 micrograms. I am well aware of naltrexone's high affinity for opiate receptors, higher than any other common opiate apart from buprenorphine. However, when taken in a very low dose (1 microgram is a millionth of a gram) you won't get any precipitated withdrawls, won't feel any diminished effects from opiates; but it will greatly slow down your tolerance rising.

 

[Pegasus]

sorry to say but your probably on the verge of massive organ failure. good luck.

4g per day is the limit actually, this is a bit of an extreme response IMO. Anyway, CWE is definitely the way to go from here. Daily high doses of APAP are potentially dangerous for sure, but "probably on the verge of massive organ failure" is an overstatement.

 

[opi8]

Please 8)

As I said, if you'd read my post, ultra low dose. 1-10 micrograms. I am well aware of naltrexone's high affinity for opiate receptors, higher than any other common opiate apart from buprenorphine. However, when taken in a very low dose (1 microgram is a millionth of a gram) you won't get any precipitated withdrawls, won't feel any diminished effects from opiates; but it will greatly slow down your tolerance rising.

"Please" what? Did you take offence to something I wrote?

Am I not allowed to ask for other opinions on a matter that I don't fully understand on a discussion forum?

 

[footscrazy]

For sure, but yeah I take offence when you say you want some 'more knowledgable' members to have their input. I know what I'm talking about.

 

[opi8]

It wasn't my intention to imply that you weren't knowledgable, sorry if it sounded that way.

What I meant was to get more input on the subject from others more knowledgable than myself.

 

[psytaco]

To the OP.

Do CWE's from now on. I didn't do them for ibuprofen/codeine mixes (and my use was far from daily) and now have a stomach ulcer. The doctor actually said to me that what I was doing was stupid, but lucky I didn't use the ones with paracetamol because i would be dead. thats what he said.

Anyway, do a CWE before you go to bed for the next day. that way when you wake you up you will have some ready to take.

From what I have read, which is limited, liver toxicity caused by panadol is reversable after you stop. not sure about your kidneys.

if your having pains in your kidneys when you drink, this is a sign that something is wrong. liver damage may also be asymptomatic.

At the levels you are using for a such an extended period of time, there is a chance that you have done some damage. but it isn't on the 'organ failure' stage yet.

If your can't access your doctor or don't want to see your regular doctor about this. I would do this. Go see a new doctor, and explain the situation with honesty. tell them you want to have some full tests done to check your kidneys, liver etc. by doing this there is no consequences with your existing doctor.

Also, I would talk to the specialists you see about getting some better pain relief.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Yeah opi8 you have to see how that could have come across as offensive to footscrazy.

You should look up low dose naltrexone therapy to get an idea of what she is talking about.

On top of this, i've been warned from a good friend in the know that the government thinks that opiate prescribing has risen much too high over the last 4 decades, and now are going to be cracking down on anyone on more than 120mg of morphine. I dont know exactly what this means, but it seems like we have some seriously ignorant people in power.

I don't know what your friend means by 'crack down', but I'm 'in the know' as well and I have heard of nothing like this. The only recent big thing is the introduction of real time prescription monitoring in Tasmania, which will probably be introduced to other states in order to combat doctor shopping.

Doctors are wary of the abuse potential of these drugs but their place in medicine is highly valued; if the Government was going to step in and start monitoring doctor's patients then I imagine the RACGP would not be very happy about it.

 

[opi8]

After re-reading my post I can see how it could have been taken the wrong way. Honestly footscrazy, no offence was intended.

I'll look into it as I have access to naltrexone and this is something I am interested in learning more about, hence the reason I asked more more input on the subject.

I seem to have a habit of taking posts the wrong way on forums myself.

 

[Crankinit]

while we are on the subject.....

i know cwe does alot to help your liver, but i also understand that codeine itself is damaging to the liver, so how bad is this compared to alcohol? would a heavy drinking sesh (15 standard drinks) be equal to 400mg of codeine when it comes to liver damage?

As far as I understand it, codeine itself is fairly benign, the damage is from the paracetemol/ibuprofen added to the pills.

 

[Mr Blonde]

Codeine itself is not damaging to the liver.

 

[hooksy01]

ok sweet thanks

 

[gack1985]

Like people are saying Codeine is not the problem its ibuprofen.

Last week i was in Hospital and i was given Ozpan Pantoprazole enteric coated tablets which i have to take with ibuprofen it reduces the acid secretion in the stomach.

If your using something like Nurofen + which has codeine and ibuprofen maybe ask your Gp for this.

 

[GRINCH3369]

lol, i think its time to start looking for some good doners. thats a lot of aspirin

 

[pinkanga]

hey guys im new to this site nd i was wondering if you guys might be able to tell how good my kidneys might be after 2 years of 240mg/4000mg of Codeine/Paracetemol use per day?

geez.

Im assuming from the numbers that youre taking P fortes. You really should be CWE'ing them.

The process works really well with P fortes (& Pan extra too), and if you use a shirt first followed by a coffee filter you can then water incredibly clear and free of basically all suspended solids (and I would guess almost completely paracetemol/apap free).

Also @ the OP: to put your mind at ease (if you havent been to a doctor yet) I used to take way too many ibu/cod containing meds and did so for a few years. I was really worried because honestly the amount I was taking was just stupid and irresponsible. I got checked out recently (full blood work) and all is clear. So dont fret yet. Just get checked out.

BTW as soon as I found out about CWE I stopped with the ibu instantly.

 

[Rek-Ab]

i just final quit codeine 3 months ago i used to cwe about for years ago then stopped 2 years ago cwe and just started take extras and plus together twice a day in high amounts. i first started for back pain and then it became my antidepressant i spoke to many doctors and they did give a fuck and basically told me to stop and i want and new i was killing myself slowly. the only way i get off the shit was by sourcing Valium and tramadol. now i have traded one addiction for another but i am no longer a zombie and now have started to deal with my issues and and i feel so much better. but there is nothing better than the worm felling and the mined and body numbing effects. i got lucky and dont seam to have any organ related issues except slight higher than normal lfts and my and the stomach ulcer hey know gone.

sorry for spelling and grammar i have dyslexia

 

[belarki]

^ hi Rek-Ab, welcome to bluelight and thank you for posting

You wouldn't be the first to succumb to the warmth & numbness that opiate's offer, no shame there. Good to hear things are looking better for you now though.

To the original poster if you're still reading this thread, as noted paracetemol & iburpofen are pretty toxic in high doses (paracetemol in particular) so if you're taking codeine recreationally please stick to the CWEs?

 

[Mr Tee Blah]

ive also thought about stopping but im sooooooooooooooooo addicted its not funny, last time i didnt have any i ended up with a blinding migrane and chronic vomiting,

i'm amazed that such a low dosage as OP takes could cause withdrawals......

it only takes 4-5ish days to see the light, for physical side of WD to start easing, after kicking CT a moderate heroin habit.

wouldn't it only be a couple days of discomfort to kick your habit...or is it strong likelyhood of relaspe that worries you?

 

[Rek-Ab]

yeah relapsing is all was on my mind i was taking like six extras and six plus together at once in the morning and the same again in the arvo with phenergan 75 mgs that roughly 324 mg of codeine/ 6 grams of para / 2.4 g ibuprofen the WD it was more like trying to quit smoking real bad headaches spent a lot time in the bathroom sick for a few days when i did CT and just the body pain and it was more or less to do with numbing my mind and it was to easy to go get and really cheap it was my coping method with my life at the time . i was even more worried about moving on to smack becasue the codeine was not enough any more

 

[pinkanga]

yeah relapsing is all was on my mind i was taking like six extras and six plus together at once in the morning and the same again in the arvo with phenergan 75 mgs that roughly 324 mg of codeine/ 6 grams of para / 2.4 g ibuprofen the WD it was more like trying to quit smoking real bad headaches spent a lot time in the bathroom sick for a few days when i did CT and just the body pain and it was more or less to do with numbing my mind and it was to easy to go get and really cheap it was my coping method with my life at the time . i was even more worried about moving on to smack becasue the codeine was not enough any more

Thats really not that much. not advisable, sure, but not excessive. Cant see it being much of a problem tapering off of such a small amount. Especially since it was split up into 2 doses (morning/arvo).

The question is why did you stop the cwe's in the first place? Got a sudden taste for poison that you just had to sate?

I guess all that matters is youre off it now. If thats what you want then good for you. Congratulations.