My AntiAging-Cognitive Regimen

[chicpoena]

I just read an article in Wired about a rich guy named Ray Kurzweil who takes over 200 supplements a day. He pays someone to organize his pill regiment daily.

 

[Doooofus]

Considering the fact that without these chemicals I will die and suffer various diseases I would rather take a slight risk than not.

What if you're wrong? And what if all the stuff you're putting into your body is interacting in a way you hadn't accounted for? Everything in moderation - including supplements.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Unnecessary if don't want to inhibit/reverse/slow several factors of aging and disease.
Psychedelics and injecting any compound is unnecessary by healthy adults.

(my bold emphasis)

Your views are very biased. I find your routine very excessive and probably indicates some deep underlying psychological issues.

How can all of those chemicals in your stomach be good for you in the long run?

 

[aanallein]

Only people who don't have an intelligent understanding of pharmaceuticals, nutrition, aging, and disease would view it as (neurotic, not to mention redundant, and possibly harmful.) No offend intended.

this is a stupid and obviously ill informed post.

I'm 'fine and in good health' and i don't take the sups you take - that's no kind of logic to be using. putting stuff into your body that hasn't been tested is just as potentially dangerous as not putting them into your body, IF NOT MORE SO.

I don't care if you are an MD. You're not omniscient and playing with chemicals can cause damage whether you want to ignore it or not.

The best way to live a long and healthy life is to:

drink a lot of water everyday, exercise 4-5 days a week, and avoid alcohol and tobacco. everything else is an unknown.


i think you put way to much faith in science. faith that is undeserved. scientists cant even decide if an aspirin a day is good or bad and they've been debating it for decades. you're taking hundreds of compounds that science has had very little time to research completely and bloodwork won't tell very much of anything about what those things are doing to your body. bloodwork can't tell you that much

 

[Jamshyd]

Considering the fact that without these chemicals I will die and suffer various diseases I would rather take a slight risk than not.

Oh so you actually DO believe that this cocktail will prevent you from dying??

 

[Will01996]

I guess I'd like to ask you what you're feeling like? Please be as detailed as possible.


Dreams?
Energy?
Mental agility?
Creativity?
How often do you get sick?

Thanks a lot. This is an interesting stack, regardless... reminds me of Kurzweil's, which some in the nootropic/anti-aging communities also see as overblown. No offense intended by this, by the way.

This is what I was wondering also. Plus how much sleep do you get per day in a usual schedule?

Thanks,
Willie

 

[NeuronalPerception]

This is what I was wondering also. Plus how much sleep do you get per day in a usual schedule?

Thanks,
Willie

It varies as I set different goals for different days. Generally 6-7 hours.

 

[SpellmanT7]

Oh so you actually DO believe that this cocktail will prevent you from dying??

I cannot believe someone is suggesting that NeuronalPerception would still be alive if he didn't consume this cocktail. Do you have any idea what happens if he doesn't maintain this regime? Read the list of potential dangers and tell me this - if life if worth living when you suffer the following, life is truly hell no?

i. Fingernails break...upto 2 or 3 days before they would've done otherwise!

ii. One in every 10,000 hairs on your head may be >30% darker/lighter in colour than the other 9,999 (OMFG!)

iii. There is a very REAL danger that one or more of your organs will be required for metabolism and that you may need to obtain essential nutrients from food itself . Depending on the quantity/freshness/method of cooking, you will never be able to estimate your intake to more than two decimal places. This could keep you awake at night, as you lie in fear- dreading the consequences of failing to consume 100% of your RDA.

Remember - NeuronalPerception, aka '<edited>' is an MD. We know this because he introduced himself in the new member forum with a thread title Greetings from an MD. Anyone who has spent time around an MD, knows that this is the standardised introduction format.

EDIT -

Only people who don't have an intelligent understanding of pharmaceuticals, nutrition, aging, and disease would view it as (neurotic, not to mention redundant, and possibly harmful.) No offend intended.


How I feel is irrelevant as each person is different. Generally I feel fine and have no health issues.

Nice...How I feel is irrelevant - if only my GP would adopt that approach, waiting times would be minimal:

Patient : Although the anti-depressants are helping with stabilising my mood, they are causing me to feel nauseous and light-headed. I'd like to switch to another medication to stop me feeling...

GP : How you feel is irrelevant. Ask the next patient to come in when you leave.

Could this be the approach to save the NHS? Zero tolerance on feelings perhaps.

 

[NeuronalPerception]

I cannot believe someone is suggesting that NeuronalPerception would still be alive if he didn't consume this cocktail. Do you have any idea what happens if he doesn't maintain this regime? Read the list of potential dangers and tell me this - if life if worth living when you suffer the following, life is truly hell no?

i. Fingernails break...upto 2 or 3 days before they would've done otherwise!

ii. One in every 10,000 hairs on your head may be >30% darker/lighter in colour than the other 9,999 (OMFG!)

iii. There is a very REAL danger that one or more of your organs will be required for metabolism and that you may need to obtain essential nutrients from food itself . Depending on the quantity/freshness/method of cooking, you will never be able to estimate your intake to more than two decimal places. This could keep you awake at night, as you lie in fear- dreading the consequences of failing to consume 100% of your RDA.

Remember - NeuronalPerception, aka '<edited>' is an MD. We know this because he introduced himself in the new member forum with a thread title Greetings from an MD. Anyone who has spent time around an MD, knows that this is the standardised introduction format.

EDIT -



Nice...How I feel is irrelevant - if only my GP would adopt that approach, waiting times would be minimal:

Patient : Although the anti-depressants are helping with stabilising my mood, they are causing me to feel nauseous and light-headed. I'd like to switch to another medication to stop me feeling...

GP : How you feel is irrelevant. Ask the next patient to come in when you leave.

Could this be the approach to save the NHS? Zero tolerance on feelings perhaps.

I don't have any disorders nor am I treating anything hence my feelings are irrelevant from a clinical standpoint.

 

[SpellmanT7]

and now he's banned.

yet? ? ? The banned live on, only on Bluelight? What happened?

 

[Dave]

Oooookay... so how exactly does carnosine supposedly extend your telomeres? It is a recognized antioxidant, but unless it is somehow magically making an enzyme that can tack more thymine onto the ends of your chromosomes it is not doing what you think it is.

So, I have this wonderful snake oil for sale. Reputed by actual scienticians to improve longevity! Just 3 easy payments of $29.95. Call now, and get a free bottle of Turlingtons Balsam of Life! Supplies are limited!

 

[NeuronalPerception]

yet? ? ? The banned live on, only on Bluelight? What happened?

It seems one of the mod's has personal issues.

From my pm inbox:

23-06-2008, 23:33
felix
Senior Moderator
Support

thanks for your posts in support and your offer of help.

i believe you've been answered adequately in both threads, but obviously feel free to continue the conversation(s) if you have any other points to make.

the reason i'm getting in touch is to let you know that we are having a word with samadhi_smiles about a couple of things. he doesn't speak for Bluelight.

cheers
felix

 

[NeuronalPerception]

Oooookay... so how exactly does carnosine supposedly extend your telomeres? It is a recognized antioxidant, but unless it is somehow magically making an enzyme that can tack more thymine onto the ends of your chromosomes it is not doing what you think it is.

So, I have this wonderful snake oil for sale. Reputed by actual scienticians to improve longevity! Just 3 easy payments of $29.95. Call now, and get a free bottle of Turlingtons Balsam of Life! Supplies are limited!

Try reading the study.

Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2004 Nov 12;324(2):931-6.
L-carnosine reduces telomere damage and shortening rate in cultured normal fibroblasts.Shao L, Li QH, Tan Z.
Institute of Zoology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing 100080, PR China.

Telomere is the repetitive DNA sequence at the end of chromosomes, which shortens progressively with cell division and limits the replicative potential of normal human somatic cells. L-carnosine, a naturally occurring dipeptide, has been reported to delay the replicative senescence, and extend the lifespan of cultured human diploid fibroblasts. In this work, we studied the effect of carnosine on the telomeric DNA of cultured human fetal lung fibroblast cells. Cells continuously grown in 20 mM carnosine exhibited a slower telomere shortening rate and extended lifespan in population doublings. When kept in a long-term nonproliferating state, they accumulated much less damages in the telomeric DNA when cultured in the presence of carnosine. We suggest that the reduction in telomere shortening rate and damages in telomeric DNA made an important contribution to the life-extension effect of carnosine.

 

[MeDieViL]

did you add in resveratrol or did i look over it? i would definatly add in that one
but wow you really got a huge list of supplements

 

[NeuronalPerception]

did you add in resveratrol or did i look over it? i would definatly add in that one
but wow you really got a huge list of supplements

Still wanting on more research. I do get some from red wine and it works for the French.

 

[MeDieViL]

Still wanting on more research. I do get some from red wine and it works for the French.

its in high doses that it seems to have a much better effect, i find it pretty unusual that you dont wonna take resveratrol right now but do mix so many sups when its interactions are unknown

 

[Dave]

Try reading the study.

Biochem Biophys Res Commun. 2004 Nov 12;324(2):931-6.
L-carnosine reduces telomere damage and shortening rate in cultured normal fibroblasts.Shao L, Li QH, Tan Z.
Institute of Zoology, Chinese Academy of Sciences, Beijing 100080, PR China.

Telomere is the repetitive DNA sequence at the end of chromosomes, which shortens progressively with cell division and limits the replicative potential of normal human somatic cells. L-carnosine, a naturally occurring dipeptide, has been reported to delay the replicative senescence, and extend the lifespan of cultured human diploid fibroblasts. In this work, we studied the effect of carnosine on the telomeric DNA of cultured human fetal lung fibroblast cells. Cells continuously grown in 20 mM carnosine exhibited a slower telomere shortening rate and extended lifespan in population doublings. When kept in a long-term nonproliferating state, they accumulated much less damages in the telomeric DNA when cultured in the presence of carnosine. We suggest that the reduction in telomere shortening rate and damages in telomeric DNA made an important contribution to the life-extension effect of carnosine.

Exactly my point. it doesn't extend the telomeres, it just reduces the rate at which they are degraded. Your title 'telomere lengtheners' is VERY misleading. Telomeres cannot be lengthened by any known mechanism in mammals because there is no native enzyme that can do it. Period. I've heard that certain types of cancerous cells can extend their own telomeres, but that's of no use to a living organism.

Interesting study though. Are there others, perhaps of the in-vivo variety? I personally don't like basing my supplement regimen on a single, in-vitro study, but different strokes for different folks as they say.

 

[doesntmatter]

how much would using the items on your list cost a month?

 

[Mehm]

If you are taking sups that affect your mind/body, how you feel is of absolute importance in my eyes. Why did you even post this list if you won't comment on what the sups are actually doing?

Also, how can you so easily assume that mixing all of this stuff doesn't change each compounds' intended effects? You obviously know a lot about the subject and I'm very curious.

One other thing...you kind of come off as a condescending, argumentative, know-it-all in this thread. Maybe you don't care about interpersonal/physical relationships, but imo (and this is backed by loads of psychological research) having close bonds with other humans and animals is essential to both life quality and quantity. ..i do realize this is a single internet thread and not your entire life.

peace

 

[gprunescaper2]

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excellent thread!!!