Well, you train one, he can train others, and others train others, and so forth. The skills learned can be taught and retaught for generations to come. We trained over 500....
Well, The School of the Americas (and their new-named org, they did the blackwater/Xe rebranding approach) trained people in EVERY cartel, that's just fact (and obvious). And it was close to 200 of the specific spec-op's group that got the training at benning that defected and became zetas. Now, do the zetas teach these methods? Sure. BUT, we trained osama and crew - would you say his *entire* army is US trained? See, the original zetas were trained well, and they continued using this training for future zetas, but to imply a regular zeta is on par with a generic US infrantry grunt is wrong. That's not the reality here.
Can't be sure which cartel(s) the US may support, but the Zetas certainly seem to have the upperhand, if all the other cartels are ganging up on them.
FOR CLARIFICATION, I'M NOT TAKING SIDES, READ: ZETAS, DON'T COME KILL ME LOL. Yes, the zetas have the upper hand. Hell, "carteles unidos" (proposed group by CDG(gulf) and CDS(sinaloa), and perhaps others) put banners all over many areas asking for a temporary alliance between carteles unidos and the feds to get rid of the zetas, saying once the zetas are gone, the fed can go right back to fighting traffickers. The other sides are ganging up on them because zetas are killing their business (both by competition, and perhaps even more, by making the plazas/media/country hot as hell). Oh and not all are against them, some are just paying lip service to it. Further, once zetas are gone (if that ever happens in the current situation), the fighting will just become CDS v CDG and many others. Honestly, we need a US-sponsored, MX-fed cartel, but that's not happening soon.
Oh, and that does NOT mean the US supports them - the zetas are likely the LEAST likley to be supported. If anything - god it's taboo saying shit like this - the CDS(sinaloa) has the gov support. I'll bring some wikileaks cables or other sources to illustrate as much if people are unaware on this.
Ya but these motherfuckers also think the 'war on drugs' ends justify the means !! 8) They have a consensus, that any sensible person knows is just plain wrong...
I meant that in a different way. I meant - let's go theoretically here - let's say that, behind the scenes, US, MX, CDS, CDG and others all want zetas gone. The US supplying CDG (zeta's most visible opponent) with weapons makes most sense, since a- CDG created the zetas, and b- CDG (CDS, too) wants them gone asap (yes, presumably for reasons none other than greed/marketshare, but CDS(sinaloa) seems to be gov-favored since they keep this shit a little more "respectable" and out of public eye). They(feds/govs) KNOW there's no "win" here, however, removing zetas and other violent groups, while still allowing traffic, is a "win" in a lot of ways in their eyes. It's a lesser of evils situation. If you think the DEA/CIA/ICE/gov thinks there's an "end" to this war, an 'end' meaning no drugs, you really aren't getting them I don't think - I think that ideological view, on the part of the two ICE agent whistleblowers, is what blew an otherwise (potentially) useful op..
At the lower levels (the agents following orders), yes, I do think they were just following orders. The "break some eggs to make an ommelette" arguement sounds like pure BS from the upper levels of government.
Dunno, I think the ones doing what they told/breaking some eggs got the bigger picture, and that the two 1yr recruits to that ATF office were the ones who didn't get the bigger picture and, well, couldn't take "just do your job, we can't' let you in on the bigger picture' and just follow their orders. (NOT saying right/wrong, just calling it how I see it)
Whose idea was it to begin with
w/o knowing the end game here it's impossible to know that, and how exactly did they think it was going to lead them ANYWHERE positive by giving shitloads of weapons to cartels?(
again, could've armed the zetas' rivals and helped eliminate zetas, it could've built a case against zetas or zeta-aligned cartels - hell, CONSPIRACY ALERT: it could've been meant to get the violence amp'd up **in general** to justify further US/other intervention, remember most have little clue there's any more than some little, minor 'street turf' situation 
) It doesn't make sense, no matter how I try to rationalize it. It sounds more like the higher level officials made deals with other cartel(s) and then had agents running weapons to them, called it "Fast & Furious" to the regular agents...
No doubt - but I see you thinking this as some kind of overt support for said cartel(s) functions, which I don't believe - think about it, if that were just the entirety of it, wouldn't we just use cargo planes and bring a - more weapons, b - better weapons, and, most importantly, c - move said weapons w/o issue as compared to smuggling them??
I just want to see all the greedy criminals running this country put where they belong - federal prison. I want to see the system eat it's own shit, and then finally let go of the militaristic police state it is forcing us to live in.
