MSB Banned

wtfatm23

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I was told to post a thread in here, because, well, mods don't really deal particularly well with the responsibility of being impartial on here too well. Do they?

Here is what I was banned for:
MSB,

The content of this post is totally unacceptable it clearly breatches the Bluelight User Agreement:-

content that victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or group of individuals on the basis of race, ethnicity, religion

This is far form the first time you have specifically attacked this religious group, BL will not tolerate such behaviour and so I have issued an infraction against you.

If you choose to continue posting here I would advise that you keep such abhorrent views to yourself.

atm23
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This infraction is worth 1 point(s) and may result in restricted access until it expires. Serious infractions will never expire.


Original Post:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?p=10898645

Quote Originally Posted by parttime crackhead View Post
Anti-Islam film protests spread across Middle East

I don't like to say that one team of religious dafties are worse than another but fucking hell. These cunts have absolutely lost it. Going all out tonto, basically starting riots, attacking anything American, because some guy made a film slagging off their religion.

I really hate to say this... but they do bring some of the shit on themselves at times. I mean, c'mon to fuck, they're overreacting just a little bit lol. If I put a video on the internet taking the piss out of Jesus & calling the Archbishop of Canterbury a sex offender I highly doubt that Christians in England would start kicking off, burning Saltires, attacking Scottish themed pubs & setting fire to tramps. These nutters need to get a grip.

There must be plenty of normal muslims in these countries & all over the world that are thinking "Oh for fuck's sake! STOP IT!!!" because they're the ones that'll end up getting tarred with the same "Total Fucking Fruitloop" brush.
Do you have any Muslim friends on facebook? I do... and much to my surprise these 'moderate' Muslims who womanise and take drugs are calling for the death of the people who made it. They're also saying that the West has brought this reaction on itself because we knew what they would do when it was released, as if we have any control over people who make this shit. Then there's the conspiracy theories saying zionists and the CIA have collaborated to make them kick off. Reading the comments on the Press TV facebook page written by Muslims worldwide really are alarming... none of them have really stated that it's wrong to kill innocents. There's hundreds just blaming Jews.

Here's some examples:
Mustefa Yesuf - judaism is satan handiwork!
Muhammad Lawal Suleiman - Oh yes muslim have to show their anger at any attempt to debase their religion because they value their religion and take it very seriously A true muslim will not take it kindly with anybody who spats on his religion and the prophet of islam
Muhammad A Muhammad - the war is prophesized, let it come since no one is afraid to die.
Aabed Shahriari - many of idiots say it is free speech , sample question , this is free speech in the west , right? can anyone talk about holocaust?
Ayesha Mansha - If muslim govts have any shame left all of them shud cut ties wid USA unless tht movie iz banned all over the world n USA dog do apologies for this blesphemous act. The hatred for USA in on increase all muslims of the world r ready to kill yankees as Libyan braves do !
Aliyu Ja'afar - DEATH TO U.S.A,we muslims we ii never agree with this nonsence and animality.

Rip pages out of a koran and put them in a mentally deficient christian child's backback? That's fine. No comments, apart from calling for her death of course. Make a video and there's a shit storm. For some reason Allah can't defend himself, and it's not enough these people will spend eternity in hell. When people react like this you can't help but feel they know they are vulnerable.

The Religion of Peace. Yaaaaaaaaay. Inb4it's culture.


Now, I have seen much worse than this written by your own moderators about Christianity. This is just a series of facts and quotes from Muslims on the Press TV facebook page. Muslims ARE kicking off more around the world over this video being made, which America had no control over, than they are the man who tried to get a little disabled girl killed. I don't see why highlighting such deplorable actions deserves a ban?

Certainly you have never so much as hinted at enforcing this rule on anyone else or me before. There is no consistency here whatsoever. People make rabid posts against Israels behaviour nigh on on a weekly basis in EADD. They call them things like 'racists', 'aparteid', insinuate that they hate Arabs etc. Where are the bans for that? And where is this new found strictness going to end? I am sure that had anyone else written this, it certainly wouldn't have resulted in an infraction. I doubt it would have even resulted in a warning.

According to Sam, I inferred that even moderate Muslims behaved like this. I said that, yes I did. I said that based on the fact that I have a few Muslims on facebook who I consider moderate, who use drugs etc. and they are saying things like "The Muslim world is pissed, you're getting what you deserve". I'm not saying every Muslim is like this, but certainly the ones who aren't are silent - even if they are in the majority. It's not like I was just making vague slanderous comments, there are a series of quotes from 'moderate' muslims in my post.

Now personally I feel the following post was offensive:
And that was in the UK, where Christianity is mostly the preserve of reformed alkies, virgin teens and old women. Imagine how the US would've reacted.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Sam's anti-Christian and anti-Christianity sentiment expressed from one end of EADD to the other. All i'm asking for here is some consistency. I do not understand why criticisms of everything from America, to Israel, to Christianity, to Catholics, can be aired all over BL but not this? I might add that there are Christians, Israelis, and Americans, actually on the forum to be offended. There aren't any Muslims whatsoever.

Just to fully prove my inconsistency point further:
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/612133-EADD-Chaplaincy

Here is an entire thread that is insulting to Christians and Christianity from start to finish. I also slate Islam in there. Nothing was done about either. Make up your minds why don't you?
 
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wtfatm23 said:
There must be plenty of normal muslims in these countries & all over the world that are thinking "Oh for fuck's sake! STOP IT!!!" because they're the ones that'll end up getting tarred with the same "Total Fucking Fruitloop" brush.

For clarity's sake, this was not part of MSB's offending post, but parttime crackhead's, which immediately preceded it.

MSB's post begins here:

Mr Smokes Blunts. / wtfatm23 said:
Do you have any Muslim friends on facebook? I do... and much to my surprise these 'moderate' Muslims who womanise and take drugs are calling for the death of the people who made it.
 
I do actually have moderate Muslims on facebook who are calling for the death of the people who made the video, who are also saying America bought this on themselves... I would have hoped they would be part of the group of people against such actions, but much to my surprise they were not. For their privacy I won't put their facebook on here, or directly quote them. But they did express such sentiments. Why am I not allowed to say that they did say that? I haven't even directly expressed a view toward's Muslims or Islam in that post, i've just highlighted the behaviour of certian Muslims.

For anyone interested in what i'm talking about, here is the Press TV facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/presstvchannel

Just look at what they are writing, that's all I was highlighting. I don't think that deserves a ban, and it certianly wouldn't have been infractable if it was any other religion or group of people, or indeed any other user highlighting it...
 
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It's up to the support mods. Though MSB is clearly using an alt account, so that's grounds for further sanctions.

I'm sure the support mods / senior staff will take his grievances on board, even if I struggle to see how he believes he has any grounds for complaint.

Apparently I am just supposed to take the ban for a month and not complain in any way? I don't see why I would get an extra banning for having an alt account to question a ban that I feel is unjustified. Either way I don't give a shit, I will only be banned for something everyone else would have gotten away with within 5 minutes of getting back any way.

con·sist·en·cy/kənˈsistənsē/
Noun:

Conformity in the application of something, typically that which is necessary for the sake of logic, accuracy, or fairness.
The achievement of a level of performance that does not vary greatly in quality over time.

Ever heard of it?
 
MSB, I have your regular account on ignore. I only posted in this thread as I believed it was important to make the above clarification.

Now that I've done so, I'm treating your alt account as I do your main one; I'm ignoring any further posts.

So please don't waste your time trying to address me in this thread or elsewhere, okay? :)
 
MSB, I have your regular account on ignore. I only posted in this thread as I believed it was important to make the above clarification.

Now that I've done so, I'm treating your alt account as I do your main one; I'm ignoring any further posts.

So please don't waste your time trying to address me in this thread or elsewhere, okay? :)

Stop talking about me in the thread then... Also, mods can't ignore and I can't ignore you, no matter how much i've wanted to.
 
MSB, I was personally disgusted by your needlessly aggressive islamophobic attitude.
I am currently undergoing a campaign, in which to see you banned for an extra fortnight as so to protect our other members from your filthy degenerative mind.

Yours sincerely, Cornish.
 
Here's the problem:

You have a point regarding the comparative content of your post, but you also have history.

Act like a pain for long enough, and you'll find that people don't give your motivations the benefit of the doubt.

Where your post might have just passed for another challenging/bolshy point about religion, it's now perceived as another flame-bait within the context of your prior behaviour on the board. If I was a total outsider to the situation, I might be inclined to have some sympathy with your complaint, but as someone who has watched your routine on a number of occasions, I'm satisfied that this was only heading in one direction and that it was better to cut it off at the pass. That might be unfair, inconsistent even, but life's too short to be clearing up the fallout from your shittrolling.

The infraction stands. Don't register another account. Enjoy your time away and what remains of the summer.

Best,
TM

(this post comes courtesy of hotel wifi)
 
yesterday, atm23 referred the fact that you registered an alt account (which is explicitly forbidden by the blua) to senior staff. i told him that, because you made it only to pm the staff and not start a shitstorm in the forum, that we would overlook it. i guess my lack of personal bias and faith was misplaced.

standard operating procedure in cases is like this is to ban the alt and add a one-point infraction to the original account. so that there's absolutely no accusation of bias, i'm going to follow standard operating procedure.

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alasdair
 
Unban him come on.

I fail to see the offensive side of his posts. He's by far one of the best posters in EADD, there's people who contribute almost nothing and don't get infractions, at least he always engages in debate and never resorts to cheap insults to other members.

Anyway what happened to freedom of speech? I guess Bluelight is following the example of the European media and society where there's a witch hunt on anybody who dares speak even in a very mild way about Islam, multi-culturalism or immigration. His posts had no offensive content.
 
Unban him come on.

I fail to see the offensive side of his posts. He's by far one of the best posters in EADD, there's people who contribute almost nothing and don't get infractions, at least he always engages in debate and never resorts to cheap insults to other members.

Anyway what happened to freedom of speech? I guess Bluelight is following the example of the European media and society where there's a witch hunt on anybody who dares speak even in a very mild way about Islam, multi-culturalism or immigration. His posts had no offensive content.

The problem with this is that his ban only occurred because he has previous infractions. If he had not made any problematic posts in the past this would merely be a 1 point infraction that would not cause a ban.
 
His ban was completely unreasonable and over the top, there has been far worse debate which this only was in CEP without bans and warnings.

You're continuing to do a really good job there mod/admin team!

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His ban was completely unreasonable and over the top, there has been far worse debate which this only was in CEP without bans and warnings.

You mean his infraction was unreasonable. Nobody banned him, and if he had not broken rules before the infraction would not have tripped a temporary ban.

You're continuing to do a really good job there mod/admin team!

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Thank you
 
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His ban was completely unreasonable and over the top...
as tommyboy indicates, the temporary ban was tripped because he already had 5 infractions on his account. if he wasn't a habitual trouble-maker who constantly disrupts the forum, this would not have happened. posters have to take responsibility for their participation on bluelight. he wasn't banned. he banned himself.
there has been far worse debate which this only was in CEP without bans and warnings.
two wrongs don't make a right.

it's absolutely the position of the bluelight administration that the forum rules be enforced fairly. if you see posts in any forum which you feel break the rules, then report them. as far as i can tell you have never availed yourself of the report feature to report such a post. we have a mechanism for dealing with this kind of thing. please use it.

alasdair
 
Just curious as to if MSBs' ban has finished yet or not as I haven't seen any posts from him?
I know he may wind some folk up but some times I think he just plays devils advocate.
If his ban isn't yet over then when does it end?
 
Is that right October 2014? Jeez,I thought it may have been a few months at the most. That's harsh.
 
^ It may be harsh, but he did it to himself. It's a points-based system:

What Exactly Are These "Points" For Earning an Infraction?

The bluelight infraction system automatically imposes a temporary ban on users based on a system of points (Bluelight infractions are worth 1 point).

2 points = 1 day
3 points = 3 days
4 points = 7 days
5 points = 2 weeks
6 points = 1 month
7 points = 3 months
8 points = 6 months
9 points = 1 year
10 points = 2 years

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