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Most mindfucky Psychedelic

LogicSoDeveloped said:
I have to agree with Mushrooms being incredibly "mindfucky."

I would say more of that they have the potential to cause the most intense mental experiences. I feel like LSD can do the same except that LSD makes me incredibly analytical which can prevent some mindfuck due to me just feeling the mental effects of a stimulant-in that I just feel superhuman but with love instead of ego.
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Seconded to all that.

Dissociatives can also be pretty mindfucking, but in a very different sense. Reality is still there, you just feel very detached from it. On my one (bad) experience with shrooms, reality was totally gone. LSD could indeed screw with your head just as much except that where shrooms tend to be disorienting and unusual, LSD is indeed highly analytical, for me.

Haven't tried DMT, ketamine or salvia, though, and from what I've heard, those three probably beat shrooms.
 
As far as I'm experienced, high doses of LSD can be very delirious. Salvia is, how could I say... you smoke it and then Thor comes with his hammer to hit your head. HAHAHAHA
 
It's too vague to say "Mushrooms" as various strains have very different effects.
Hawaiian shrooms, for example, is like baking the sweetest, softest spongecake with your brain and lathering it with sweet, sticky chocolatey ideas
But then Psilocybe Semilanceata (liberty caps) are one of the most headfucking things on this planet.

Then Psilocybe Mexicana truffles are the most clarifying fungus I've tried. Then you've got the Columbians, Yangoons and many others, all very different from one another.

So I would say, out of all the Psych's I've done, it has to be Liberty Caps (Psilocybe Semilanceata) - the wee ones you pick from peoples' gardens and football pitches in the UK at about this time of year.
 
^^ Why it happens? Of course the main psychoactive alkaloid is psilocybin but there are another ones like psilocin, baeocystin and norbaeocystin. Do you think it is the variation in the levels of these alkaloids that creates these differences?
I have never taken mushrooms but this made me curious.
 
in my experience (mushrooms, lsd, dmt, 2c-e) definitely mushrooms take the cake. 2c-e is incredibly clear, yet still fucks with my head a bit. lsd is more mindsex, or better yet mindlovemaking than mindfuck but definitely puts me out there. mushrooms confuse the shit out of me, but from what ive read, DiPT sounds like the most mind fucking psych out there. something is extremely unsettling about almost exclusively aural effects. seems like way more potential for things to get out of control in the old domepiece
 
Mushrooms take the cake for me, LSD I can handle myself pretty well because I feel smart and confident in a stimulant type of way, while mushrooms make me feel like a hopeless animal in doses over the 3 gram mark.
 
Folley said:
after doing it today definitely salvia. I just had the weirdest, scariest trip ever. After words I was screaming WHAT THE FUCK trying to figure out what happened
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HAHAHAHA
Once it happened to me too, I got up and ran screaming "WHAT HAPPENED?", when I looked back and saw my pipe in the ground. It took some minutes to me to accept it was just the Salvia. It is SO quick and disorienting!
 
HANDS DOWN shrooms.... holy fucking shit, I need to train my mind for another trip on those fuckers....
 
I'm somewhat suprised so many people have said shrooms- to be honest I have fairly consistantly found 4-HO-DMT to be considerably mellower than an equivilant dose of LSD (as in, a highdose of shroom is still stronger than a low dose of acid). But I suppose everyone has subtle variations in how they are effected by psychedelics.

Of the common psychedelics, I'd say that LSD and DMT are the most mind-fucking, with DPT, 5-Meo-DMT and a few other substituted tryptamines also being in that league.

However I have consistantly found dissociatives to provide far more profound mental effects than serotonin-based psychedelics at almost any dose. Even a decent hit of nitrous (say 2-3 regular canisters or 1-2 of the jumbo ones) properly huffed- not to the point of brain damage, but you know what I mean- can provide ego-dissolving-mind-fuckery that has the capacity to rival heroic doses of acid, if only for 5 minutes.
 
LSD and shrooms are head-fucky in a "right, I'm fucked, I know I'm fucked, and I know that all these thoughts and things I'm seeing are just transitory projections from my unconscious mind, and aren't real" kinda way that means a small rational part of me somewhere is still essentially the hands-on supervisor of the whole show, but for all-out fucked up beyond all recognition wierdness AMT takes the cake. Can't say as I've ever been arrested for my own protection, wandering the streets of one of the rougher parts of the inner city area I live in stark-bollock naked, demanding that the various responding emergency services make immediate arrangements for my Messianic televised address to the world, on anything other than AMT anyways? :shock: :lol: I limit meself to less heroic doses these days, but even so it can go from a serenely euphoric and Zen-like mental calm one minute, to all kinds of brutal dark shit in the blink of eye, and unlike the more stearable LSD or shrooms if you do lose your grip on it at the wrong moment it's away from you, and you better hold tight cos you're just a passenger from that point on.

MXE can lead to some really strange places. Often felt as I'd been somehow turned inside out as I came out of the hole, and the only way to fix meself is to take enough to get me holed again, so that hopefully, having taken more care on the exit everything would be fixed and the right way round again.
 
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