More dying as ice prices hit rock bottom

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More dying as ice prices hit rock bottom

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Price of ice plummets in Sydney as 'legal' ingredients flood Australia

"What we know, from our data, is that ice has definitely soared above everything else": Matt Noffs.

The price of the drug ice has plummeted by up to 60 per cent, fuelling Sydney's methamphetamine problem, with vital chemical ingredients legally flooding Australia from China.

The Sun-Herald has found that because certain chemicals aren't subject to the same import restrictions as the precursors they collectively help make, they are sailing through the state's ports, leaving criminals to obtain drug ingredients "like buying chemicals from Bunnings."

Several senior police sources have told The Sun-Herald that the rise of "backyard" labs and opportunists using internet recipes was also contributing to a crisis they cannot contain.

Street level ice was being sold for between $10,000 and $14,000 an ounce three years ago. Now police sources say it is available for as little as $6000 in regional areas. Teenage addicts, meanwhile, have told The Sun-Herald a single 'point' hit of ice, which is capable of keeping a user awake for up to three days, is now selling for as little as $40 in towns, such as Newcastle.

NSW Police drug squad commander, Detective Superintendent Tony Cooke said there is no doubt we have seen a lowering of prices and that tells us there is more ice available.

"Cooks are in this for the money, they could not care about the damage they cause as they try and fit into the market wherever they can to make their money."

Ice is predominantly made from three ingredients: pseudoephedrine, iodine and hypophosphorous acid.

In addition to methamphetamine that is imported or made domestically, the problem for Australian law enforcement agencies is that the chemicals used to make those precursors are being imported with ease because they aren't illegal.

Detective Superintendent Nick Bingham, who is commander of Operation Polaris – which targets organised crime at NSW sea cargo terminals –said "syndicates are seeing is it as a way to circumvent the border controls."

"It's almost like buying chemicals from Bunnings," he said.

Reports of a dramatic price slump have coincided with alarming new data, released by the National Drug and Alcohol Research Centre (NDARC) which shows the frequency of ice use among people who inject drugs nationally has now increased from fortnightly to close to weekly.

As usage continues to climb, so do fatalities. The centre's analysis of accidental death involving methamphetamine found there were 101 accidental drug induced deaths in 2011 – with early estimates indicating the figure climbed to as many as 170 in 2013.

The figures do not include deaths caused by violence episodes that were triggered by ice.

"I think the picture is pretty clear. I don't think anyone can now argue we are not facing significant problems with this drug, said NDARC Associate Professor Lucinda Burns.

"Whether its purity, availability, price, whatever, the issue is, we are seeing more people in hospital, more people being locked up and more people dying."

Professor Burns said if one area remains clouded, it is the "sub groups" taking up the drug. "Some people say there may be a group of more affluent, traditional cocaine users. Others say that young people might be replacing alcohol with it at venues. We definitely need to unpack that more."

The Sun-Herald understands that 12 months ago, wholesale ice was priced between $250,000 and $275,000. Yet police intelligence indicates low-grade versions of the drug have surfaced for as little as $100,000 a kilo in the past three months. The full effect of that decline has yet to be seen but police believe it may trigger further price cuts. Noffs Foundation CEO Matt Noffs, who runs a range of drug addiction rehab programs for young people, said: "What we know, from our data, is that ice has definitely soared above everything else.

"Even when heroin use was at its worst in the late nineties, cannabis and alcohol were always the drugs that people had the most significant issues with. But today ice has even now surpassed marijuana. That's unheard of – and it all comes down to availability and how cheap it is. And yes, it's getting cheaper."

A spokesman for the Australian Customs and Border Protection Service almost 120,000 inspections of sea cargo containers and units were conducted in 2013-14.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/price-of-...redients-flood-australia-20150606-ghi61b.html
 
No wonder everyone wants to get methamphetamine into Australia. $6,000 an ounce!? $100,000 a kilo!? That's nuts.

Ice is predominantly made from three ingredients: pseudoephedrine, iodine and hypophosphorous acid.

Given that Australia is the home of Agri-Fos, a lot of domestic producers might be using phosphorous acid instead. ;)

The centre's analysis of accidental death involving methamphetamine found there were 101 accidental drug induced deaths in 2011 – with early estimates indicating the figure climbed to as many as 170 in 2013.

I am curious as to what makes up an "accidental death involving methamphetamine" (although it's a low number in any case).
 
No wonder everyone wants to get methamphetamine into Australia. $6,000 an ounce!? $100,000 a kilo!? That's nuts.

Yep. As a continent-nation with a fairly small population, requiring the importation of drugs across large distances and allowing the monopolizing of this importation by a small number of groups thereby preventing competition from lowering the price too much, our drug prices are quite high compared to most of the Western world. However as the article points out, the price of meth has been dropping lately due to market saturation. It's worth noting however that it isn't "hitting rock bottom" so much as returning to it's earlier price. When I first starting using drugs in 06/07 meth was $30 - 50 a point (100mg) at street level, depending on quality. Then around 2009/2010 there was a flood of high quality product (I suspect this is when they made a shift from domestic production to importation), but the price jumped up to $70 - 100 a point, depending on where you lived. Now it's started dropping again as demand has leveled off and supply has been continued.

I am curious as to what makes up an "accidental death involving methamphetamine" (although it's a low number in any case).

Likewise, since meth has a fairly high LD50. I assume the bulk of it is either accidental death (car crashes etc where the driver was high or had trace levels in their system) or poly-drug use where the meth wasn't the primary cause (people combining downers to crash when the meth wears off), along with a few cardiovascular incidents thrown in for some of the more elderly/unfit/predisposed users.
 
Im still in shock on how much it is for a oz there... meth is stupid stupid cheap to manufacture. Silly people. Hardest part is probably just obtain suda
 
The prices are all relative to standard/cost of living though.

Average wage Aus = $74000. Average wage UK = $52000

Average house price Aus = $570000. Average house price UK = $360000

On those figures the price of your meth is relatively the same price as we pay in the UK.
 
Meth is rare in the UK right? That always struck me odd that instead of getting some really high test gear everyone goes for amphetamine base made in like Poland I think...

Probably a good thing meth isn't big there. Im sure its there somewhere as that poor old guy who drank from that bottle of concentrated liquid meth that I guess was in a licozade bottle or some sports drink and ended up dropping dead. What a terrible way to go, stimulant od
 
Meth is rare in the UK right? That always struck me odd that instead of getting some really high test gear everyone goes for amphetamine base made in like Poland I think...

Yeah, pretty rare but kinda just starting to be seen. If you go back 12 years on BL you'll find threads where I was just about the only person (it seemed) who had ever had meth here and that was solely because I had a contact who came over occasionally from Singapore. Then it became a 'thing' on the gay scene for a while. Following that, recently somebody started producing it in the UK. It seems to have disappeared again for the moment.

The debate over why we don't have meth established here has been ongoing for a long time. Basically, yes, amphetamine (not even Polish but home produced) has always been a staple here. The purity of which went down really badly in the 1990's and has only just begun to rise again from what was basically glucose.

We're such a binge nation that if meth did ever become established here it would have, erm, interesting results.
 
The prices are all relative to standard/cost of living though.

Average wage Aus = $74000. Average wage UK = $52000

Average house price Aus = $570000. Average house price UK = $360000

On those figures the price of your meth is relatively the same price as we pay in the UK.

That's the median wage. The wage that the most people in Australia are earning is closer to $60k or lower.

But yeah, considering that Sydneysiders pay $450 to rent a two bedroom unit, $6 for 2L of milk, $7 for a schooner of cider and $30+ on takeaway food for two people, our exorbitant drug prices are just kind of par for the course.
 
Yeah whenever I get annoyed at our drug scene, I just remind myself to be grateful I'm not in NZ :p
 
It says on this thing that NZ has cheaper coke than Aus...

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That's the median wage. The wage that the most people in Australia are earning is closer to $60k or lower.

That's a bugbear of mine and you'll find no argument here. Average wage schmaverage wage. The modal wage in the UK is around $30K.
 
The US MDMA and pill prices aren't even close. Pills are usually 10 (sometimes cheaper) while a gram of tested MDMA runs for 50-60 around my parts, I've heard of US darknet vendors selling grams of MDMA for 40.

Ps. Holy cow Aus is an addicts nightmare.
 
450 for a 2 bedroom is realy cheap, around here it would be like 1,500. but you can also get ounces of meth for like 400
 
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