Moore's Bush/Katrina Connection: Update- film: Katrina: The Wrath of Bush

[SigmaSis03]

I hear what you're saying AmorRoark, but...

If anyone who has watched Moore's stuff is stupid enough to believe it's wholly factual and presented in a non-biased way, then they'd be stupid enough to believe it regardless of whether it said documentary or independent film on the box. You can't fault him for the sheer retardness of the public.

 

[tambourine-man]

Indeed.

I always thought that was entire point of what Moore does... that is, that he doesn't present anything 'new' or 'insightful'. I thought that his ethos was to make it clear that the information he presents hasn't been dug up through painstaking research or investigative trials, but that the information was there in the public domain. I was under the severe impression that his whole act was based on taking incredibly huge (and complex) issues and presenting their core components... And this is the contentious aspect of his work, as very often, the devil resides in the details.

If we can accept that Moore won't ever present something new, we might ask if he can logically and/or impartially (yeah, right) work through the existing (or old) info - but he doesn't. He chooses to sacrifice detail and thoroughness, for accessability and ease. He knows, as others do, that the populus has become jaded with politics and are begging for something to grab hold of - something that "explains" the present societal situation and offers "a direction". Moore isn't a problem - in the same way that Anne Coulter isn't a problem - they're simply the symptom.

The problem lies in an apathetic, distrusting and (perhaps) dumbed-down electorate who are no longer engaged in the political process.

 

[DigitalDuality]

here we go...another film made by yet another fat idiot pundit... that people are judging even before seeing it.

Look, if anything make Bush's popular threshold drop the better. I wish all media, ALL.. from legit news stations, every newspaper, ever magazine, every television station, every sitcom, every commerical bashed bush 24 hours a day 7days a week until he went down in history as the biggest waste of flesh ever bestowed upon this earth.. and it still wouldn't be enough.

I think we're going about it the wrong way though.. we definately need Bush daughter look a likes to take part in rape fantasy films and slap that shit on prime time tv.

 

[_a_A_C_c_]

i assume you have a problem with the staged media events the white house puts out as well

never said i liked those either.

but the white house hasn't won any oscars for their 'news briefs' and 'press confrences

and a big yay to AmorRoark for pretty much arguing my point while i slept

 

[DigitalDuality]

at michaelmoore.com, bowling... is described as an "...alternately humourous and horrifying film about the United States..." not a documentary.

i don't think anybody is in any doubt that he's editorialising. i know two wrongs never make a right but what's worse - what he does or what countless outlets do every day under the guise of 'news'?

alasdair

bigfucking thumbs up.

I honestly wish the people that bashed Michael Moore continually b/c of his decietful and crappy journalistic ways, also made it their mission to bitch about.. i dunno, Fox News, AM radio, Rush, etc etc..

misleading the people is misleading the people is it not? Twisting is twisting?

so why is it when the whiney liberal does it everyone gets their panties in a bunch and comes rallying to pitch their bitch. Even people that aren't the political minded will bitch, whine, piss, and moan about michael moore, but they just give a pass to anything that's conservative spin outlets. It's annoying.

I think Moore is entertaining. Not informative. that's about it. Just like Rush, or Ann Coulter, or Al Franken. They are nothing more than polarizing John Stewarts.

 

[Mariposa]

I Seuss! :D

Who was it on this board that described Moore as an "arrogant blowhard?" I think between him and Hillary the image of "liberals" has been destroyed more than the Gore and Kerry losses, and I do have a problem with the way he presented "evidence" in Fahrenheit 9/11. That said, the purpose of the film (note lack of the word "documentary" was intended to result in a Bush loss... and well, that didn't happen.

I wonder whether Moore LOST more votes for Kerry than gained them? How could that accurately be assessed?

t's too early in the morning for semantics. To work with me.

 

[Dave]

What people need to remember is that no documentary is 100% objective. Case in point: Nanook of the North, one of the first documentaries ever made grossly overplayed the "Noble Savage" image that North Americans had of the Inuit at the time. Even the recent March of the Penguins is slanted to show certain aspects of penguin life more than others.

When watching a documentary, it's best to think of it as a film essay and not objective information. Looking at Moore's films from this standpoint he is very effective at getting his point across. That being said, his films are quite blunt (but entertaining at times), and Moore himself seems like a huge prick.

 

[_a_A_C_c_]

at michaelmoore.com, bowling... is described as an "...alternately humourous and horrifying film about the United States..." not a documentary.

i don't think anybody is in any doubt that he's editorialising. i know two wrongs never make a right but what's worse - what he does or what countless outlets do every day under the guise of 'news'?

alasdair

thats great that he describes his movie as a film, but he still marketed it as a documentary and won an oscar for it being a documentary

and for the record, i do not like the conservative media skewing facts any more than i like what micheal moore is doing. but this thread is about micheal moore. not fox news, not ann coultier, not anyone else. presenting opinions as facts irks me regardless of what is being said.

 

[GentlemanLoser]

You could just not watch his movies? Kind of like no one watched his show TV Nation. :D

I figured if I started ignoring Fox News I'd have to ignore Michael Moore. So far, it's worked out pretty ok.

CNN still sucks just as much, unfortunately...AND I don't get any recent missile camera footage.

 

[Banquo]

You could just not watch his movies? Kind of like no one watched his show TV Nation. :D

TV Nation was great!

srsly...if you don't like Michael Moore's movies, just don't watch them. and then you can go watch Bill O'Reilly or listen to Rush Limbaugh or whatever.

kthxbye

omg

 

[wanderlust]

http://www.wrathofbush.com/

 

[ChemicalBeauty]

Moore's a piece of shit and anyone trying to bring up ANYONE ELSE or ANY OTHER news agency in this thread ENTITLED 'Michael Moore' is a fagget, bleeding ass liberal commie bitch.

And I do mean that.

 

[alasdairm]

Michael Moore says Katrina is the result of the Bush Administration....

it's pretty amusing (and not a little ironic) that you criticise moore but start off your post with a complete fabrication...



alasdair

 

[alasdairm]

^ you spelled it wrong, faggot.

thats great that he describes his movie as a film, but he still marketed it as a documentary and won an oscar for it being a documentary

if that's your case - nothing about the actual content of the movie - i think it's pretty weak....

alasdair

 

[SardonicNihilist]

Moore's a piece of shit and anyone trying to bring up ANYONE ELSE or ANY OTHER news agency in this thread ENTITLED 'Michael Moore' is a fagget, bleeding ass liberal commie bitch.

And I do mean that.

You argument regarding bringing up other news coverage or 'anything else' is as sound as your spelling.

According to you we can't compare or contrast Moore's work with that of other news agencies, and to do so would make us, well, as you said. Yes a great way to debate an issue.

 

[orri páll dýrason]

srsly...if you don't like Michael Moore's movies, just don't watch them. and then you can go watch Bill O'Reilly or listen to Rush Limbaugh or whatever

Uhm, yeah. It is not only conservatives who think Michael Moore is a complete douche bag.

kthxbye 8)

 

[dm3]

I have a weird relationship with Michael Moore. The guy personally pisses me off, and I HATE watching interviews with him, I think his politics are sort of childish, but honestly, I've liked all the movies of his I've seen. F911, BFC and R&M were just good movies. They were closer to propaganda films than documentaries, but they were well done. And as sick as I am of hearing people try and politicize this hurricane, I will probably enjoy this movie cuz Michael Moore is pretty good at what he does.

 

[Abserd]

This should be pretty good. Micheal Moore has an ability to point out the evils of the government in a way that most people can accept and respect, to an extent, though personally I think he's a little too sympathetic towards the people he tries to bash. I liked Farenheit 911, but I've never really thought that is was that revealing or mind blowing like many people seemed to. So George W is a completely incompetent jackass who could never be President if not for the evil genius of Karl Rove and the general gullibility of the American public. Not a big surprise. He routinely appoints unqualified individuals and fucks over tax payers to make the richest 10% of the country even richer. Again, not surprising. This is essentially the same thing that all government has been doing since, oh I don''t know, the beginning of time maybe? George W just takes shit to a new level because he's SO fuckin ignorant of everyone in this country who didn't grow up with millions of dollars, and his lies and bullshit are so painfully obvious, whereas most other politicians used to at least try to cover it up when they were being blatantly irresponsible and giving their friends jobs that they were wildly unqualified for or giving their friends companies billion dollar government contracts, this guy just doesn't give a fuck, because he knows nothing will ever happen to him no matter how much shit he pulls. Whereas most politicians would only give their friends companies contracts to rebuild a nation we were already going to war with, this mother fucker will actually START a war so he can give his friends companies the contracts to rebuild it after we destroy it. Whereas most politicians would only give an unqualified friend a job in some well paying but ultimately unimportant position as not to attract to much attention, this mother fucker will straight up appoint them as the head of FEMA.

Katrina is interesting though because it seems like for once people actually do give a shit about his blatant incompetence and inability to do anything constructive other than give Halliburton and his other corporate friends some more government money. I've found that whenever you bother to pull back and look at the whole picture in politics and really see what's going on behind the scenes and see the real motivation for people to do the things they do, the average citizen would really be disgusted by what they see. Farenheit 911 did that to an extent (even though that was really just scratching the surface, honestly) and it made people really look at what the Bush administration is doing to this country, though it didn't really get driectly to the heart of the problem, it got as close as the main stream public is willing to be taken I think. Hopefully this film will open a few more eyes to the truth about the Bush Administration, albeit a rather tame version of the truth if you ask me.

 

[psychetool]

I like Michael Moore his movies all make a strong political statement from the heart, he was pissed, he wanted to see change, and he made a movie. Much of the money he makes goes directly to charity (more then you can say about many 'big name' actors) and the anti-bush effort, which I fully support. Also, of course he is going to put a spin on his movies to illustraite his point, just like if you were writing persuavsive paper you would take only the best points from your side and attack the weaker sides of their argument.

MM

 

[_a_A_C_c_]

^ you spelled it wrong, faggot.


if that's your case - nothing about the actual content of the movie - i think it's pretty weak....

alasdair

my case is that he does not make documentaries and should not be praised for educating the masses. i am not sure what you are saying is weak...

and again, just because i dislike micheal moore does not mean i like bill o'reilly or any other conservative pundit 8(