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Misinformation, misunderstanding, ignorance around datura

Thanks! This sounds very interesting from Rätsch's book, datura inoxia p. 200

The effects of four leaves smoked together by
one couple appear to be typical for Datura innoxia:

The skin acquired an unimagined sensitivity.
A simple, light caress became a tender, ful-
filling experience. The blood collected in our
lower abdomens so quickly that it demanded
we join. The normal sexual functions were
extremely heightened. Every form of erotic
exchange and sexual activity had a special
deliciousness. The time to orgasm was much
longer, and the orgasm itself appeared to last
for minutes. During the phase of sexual
activity, we were both pleasantly free of
thoughts, u n i n h i b i t e d , a n d v e r y m u c h f o c u s e d
on the moment. The effects lasted the entire
night, so that there were many c o u p l i n g s. The
next morning, after a short sleep with erotic
dreams (!), we awoke with a clear conscious-
ness, a v e r y p l e a s u r a b l e w a r m sensation in t h e
body, a still overly senstive skin, and a dry
throat. ( R a t s c h a n d P r o b s t 1985, 1139)
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Indigenous cultures the world over that use different species of daturas and other entheogens ritualistically are overwhelmingly omnivorous. Vegetarianism/veganism is very much an archaic modern practice(and I've been vegetarian for 20 years, ok?). It's cool that this is truth to *you* but all your post is doing is spreading misinformation, not clearing it up.
 
Heh, but regular/straight people might say the same thing of psychedelics ;)
 
Elinisti said:
Thanks! This sounds very interesting from Rätsch's book, datura inoxia p. 200
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No problem. Glad you appreciated my post! And thanks for pointing that out. It's fascinating. A member on another forum told me that you wouldn't believe how good an aphrodisiac datura is. He believes hyoscyamine, specifically, is responsible for the sexual effects. Told me mature Datura stramonium is almost entirely hyoscyamine.
 
flickering said:
pretty much the entire lifestyle you live runs off the debt enslavement of the third world. The major corporations you buy from like to cut costs by dealing with people such as human traffickers and arms dealers; you are vicariously supporting rape and murder worldwide every day. Your casual habits contribute to the endless terra-tons of waste and pollution that are making earth less of an inhabitable planet by the month. Hey it's not your fault the system works that way and if it were your choice, you wouldn't have it like this, but that's what most of us say about the atrocities of the meat industry. You wanna try laud your black-and-white, holier-than-thou ego over us, then you forget we're living in a crapsack world. I'm at least glad your delusional way of thinking has given you the clear conscience and placebo effect you need to have cozy datura trips.
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qft!
 
If you are looking for the next level, the ultimate experience, and you have purified your karmic lifeforce by not killing and destroying life for a few years, have mastered acid and the like, and have a few good friends the same, then you have no limits to your life's fulfillment with the aid of this most sacred and holy plant.
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Ah the sweet karmic mastery of that natural chemical lsd. Pretty sure the alchemy involved during lsd production would wipe out any good karma you collected by only murdering plant life for several years before.

Don't do datura folks, it will eventually end badly.
 
Honestly I quit reading it after you said that any one who destroys kills blah blah shit well I've done datura half a dozen times and have taken enuf things lives eaten all kinds of creatures been surrounded by blood of animals killed to feed me and my roomates snakes I've watched one snake eat another IDC death is apart of life and I believe an ultimate being can cause both life and death I don't fear death I more fear living.
I think this misinformation you speak of is your post in this thread.
 
Sorry but it deserves a second post


Wannabe Hipster/Hippy bullshit
 
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To sum up that long ass post, obviously if you are dealing with a personal moral dilemma, then you might not have a good trip on certain hallucinogens. I think you went a little overboard there in the OP. Not everyone is going to make sure that they are exactly this or that way in order to ensure a good drug experience for one type of person.

And also, if you don't harm any life then you must be pretty damned hungry. Last time i ate inanimate objects, it didn't cure my starvation at all.
 
plant souls are inherently evil
kill the plants, eat their souls, gain karma, achieve nirvana
 
I'm sure the parasitic thread worms in his stomach are very happy the OP has decided not to to kill another living organism. Ditto that fungal infection on his crotch.

You don't want to think about either of those bad boys when you are on datura I'm sure
 
Ohh, shity witty my fellow thats some sticky shit, lol id hate to seepeople get the wrong idea about datura, it sounds fun at first but its compleatly different than a psychedelic its a dileriant, however some people find some of its effects somewhat enjoyable but its still got some shady effects, i remember one time when i first tried my little "experimentations" with it, as so i found myself ridding my bike in the middle of the day, i took the dose in the middle of the night by the way, as such i road past the house where i picked it up on my way to the gas station to get some cigs from town, where i saw my freind ridding his bike to the side of me, just then he swerved over and was ridding ahead of me, as he turned around i asked when he had gotten there and he said nothing, just smiled then disapeared in mid air, i panicked at first but still in a daze i road into town were strange and unusal blobs of static would move hazingly around in swivle motions.. its not exaclty a great experiance guys but if ud like to go right ahead nd learn what i have, sometimes its beter to leave the darkness to the darkness and turn more to the light in which will keep u, in that state of mind, in the light.
 
magicking said:
If you are not at least vegetarian (better still, vegan), then you deserve whatever you get. If you have the karma of killing, destroying life, and expect to get a good trip off this most spiritual and transcendent substance, then you deserve what is coming your way. That's what makes people who say "You should make an ointment containing pig lard" so pitiful and sad and laughable.

If you are vegetarian/vegan, you are spiritually inclined, you can handle your pot, LSD, shrooms and ecstasy.
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What is your opinion on the massive environmental harm caused by the the clearing of sassafras trees and the dumping of bye products that is done by the people that produce safrole oil to make mdma. Don't you feel guilty knowing that you play a role in that destruction when you buy it from a dealer unless of coarse your mdma come with agreen friendly label on package.
 
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