microwaves

[fasteddie]

A gut feeling...

...is a good start.

Then, the thinking human follows up with study and investigation. And, makes up his or her mind.

 

[Mostslepton]

ya, there are different kinds. Microwaves are non-ionizing radiation. Thats the good kind.

We aren't in dissagreement that this is your opinion; I just think your opinion is ignorant.

8)

I don't see why it bothers you so much that I think microwaves are bad. Letting what someone else says embitter you, is ignorant.

 

[glitterbizkit]

ya, but a gut feeling isn't a very good way to live your life.

Not always, I agree. But when it comes to a harmless thing like choosing regular ovens over microwaves ovens, I think a gut feeling is a pretty alright way to choose one over the other.

It's not like the guy came in here and started preaching to everyone else not to use microwave ovens, he simply said that he chooses not to. I don't really feel that this is ignorant just because he is choosing to go with his gut feeling, because as Ximot said:

Just cos it hasn't been proven to be harmful with your criteria of what proof is doesn't mean it isn't harmful.

Atlas, you choose to use microwave ovens because there hasn't been sufficient evidence to convince you that it is unhealthy, whereas Mostslepton chooses not to use them because there hasn't been sufficient evidence to convince him that they are completely harmless. I don't see how either opinion is invalid, what annoys me is when - as Ximot said again - people think that they are right and everyone that thinks different are just ignorant fools. As I said before, it's the people that are open-minded and not afraid to go against popular opinion that have advanced our societies the most. Now it could be very possible that microwave ovens cause no harm. It's also possible that a scientific discovery could be made that proves that they do alter our food in some way no-one has thought of before (of course, there will never be tests like this done unless there are people open-minded enough to at least consider the possibility that microwaves could cause harm). Either way, I don't think that there's anything wrong with people choosing to abstain from microwave cooking because their gut feeling tells them to.

Then, the thinking human follows up with study and investigation. And, makes up his or her mind.

Exactly what I mean... Although most people aren't going to have the time or money or interest to conduct scientific investigations on every little thing that affects their everyday life, so in this case I think it's ok to simply make the decision, while keeping an open mind in case someone else comes up with a convincing evidence on the issue - and the question of what evidence ic convincing enough is obviously different for different people too - for example, I have a vague memory of reading about a study made which 'proved' that the radiation from mobile phones wasn't harmful. But the study was sponsored by a phone company, so to me, that isn't convincing.

Just my opinion.

 

[Mostslepton]

Not always, I agree. But when it comes to a harmless thing like choosing regular ovens over microwaves ovens, I think a gut feeling is a pretty alright way to choose one over the other.

It's not like the guy came in here and started preaching to everyone else not to use microwave ovens, he simply said that he chooses not to. I don't really feel that this is ignorant just because he is choosing to go with his gut feeling

EXACTLY.

Again, I don't know why this would bother anyone so much.

 

[Pander Bear]

Atlas, you choose to use microwave ovens because there hasn't been sufficient evidence to convince you that it is unhealthy, whereas Mostslepton chooses not to use them because there hasn't been sufficient evidence to convince him that they are completely harmless.

No, he chooses to abstain from microwave cooking because of some pamphlet or book he read, or a website, or some guy in a healthfood store told him it "alters the energetic structure" of the food.

 

[Mostslepton]

1. you're a jackass

2. you're clearly trying to get a rise out of someone, for lack of anything better to do

3. now you're making assumptions, you're only making an ass out of yourself however

No, he chooses to abstain from microwave cooking because of some pamphlet or book he read, or a website, or some guy in a healthfood store told him it "alters the energetic structure" of the food.

I love how you know so much about me.

*sarcasm*

 

[lifeisforliving]

My opinion, is that each of us here should take the same skeptisism we use regarding the "party line" on recreational drug use, and apply it to all areas of our life.

Using critical thinking skills and the best available evidence is how most of us here have decided that, for example, occasional MDMA use is "safe".

How come, when it comes to microwaves, we must throw off our wonderful set of thinking skills to fall back on "gut feel"?

 

[Pander Bear]

Mostslepton: did I get something wrong?

 

[Mostslepton]

just so you know, atlas, i remember being a pre-teen and hearing about studies questioning the safety of microwave. One, in particular came to the conclusion that long-term use was harmful and was in some magazine article. and i recall hearing teachers mention the subject.

these articles have been around for 20+ years and so these new-age quacks aren't saying anything new. bottom line, if you think that i base my opinions on propaganda or claims by internet quacks, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[RexHunt]

good read this thread

 

[lifeisforliving]

just so you know, atlas, i remember being a pre-teen and hearing about studies questioning the safety of microwave. One, in particular came to the conclusion that long-term use was harmful and was in some magazine article. and i recall hearing teachers mention the subject.

Which article? Which study? Which magazine article?

Why do you throw out all the truly established evidence on the safety of microwaves, in favour of your vague memories of what some teacher told you in school?

 

[Mostslepton]

Which article? Which study? Which magazine article?

Why do you throw out all the truly established evidence on the safety of microwaves, in favour of your vague memories of what some teacher told you in school?

lmao

obviously I can't provide a specific citation NOW. This was over 10 years ago. & yes I would if I could remember it, it was actually in Newsweek or one of those magazines my mom subscribed to, which often have health related articles (might have been Time magazine, I don't know). **

the point is that I've heard about it before, and yes I'm sure there have been scientific studies to the contrary of this "evidence" you speak of. Who gives a fuck. I don't need a study to feel a certain activity/product should be avoided.

Studies can easily be found to be wrong later, or debunked. It also depends on who is conducting the study and what their agenda is, thus making alot of them unreliable.

To me, if the food doesn't even taste right, that alone is an indication it should probably not be consumed. Actually, the primary reason I don't use the microwave is because most microwaved food tastes shitty. The fact that its probably healthier to avoid it is an added bonus.

**legitimate, science-based studies

 

[lifeisforliving]

lmao

Obviously I can't provide a specific citation NOW. This was over 10 years ago. LOL And yes I would if I could remember it, it was actually in Newsweek or one of those magazines my mom subscribed to, which often have health related articles (might have been Time magazine, I don't know). **

The point is that I've heard about it before, and yes I'm sure there have been scientific studies to the contrary of this "evidence" you speak of. Who gives a fuck. I don't need a study to feel a certain activity/product should be avoided.

There are no scientific studies that show microwaves cause the problems cited in this discussion. THAT is the point.

Studies can easily be found to be wrong later, or debunked.

I agree. That is part of the scientific method, and why I keep asking for your evidence to support your opinion. My suspicion, is you have none.

It also depends on who is conducting the study and what their agenda is, thus making alot of them unreliable.

The ONLY study that I've seen on this discussion, which none of us can find the actual data for, has been debunked. So your opinion is that scientific studies are, at best, ruled by evil agendas conducted by unethical people? To the point that ONE LONE STUDY, from some doctor, who never published his data, can stand up to the weight of all known physics and nutrition data?

To me, if the food doesn't even taste right, that alone is an indication it should probably not be consumed.

You must have a very bland, unadventurous palate.

Actually, the primary reason I don't use the microwave is because most microwaved food tastes shitty. The fact that its probably healthier to avoid it is an added bonus.

Good try: "The fact that its probably healthier to avoid it is an added bonus."

It's not an established fact, so please do not slyly try to add that in there.

**legitimate, Science-based studies

Sorry, I don't get it. Please find a legitimate, proper, scientific method study, and we can continue the discussion. I, and the rest of us, can't rely on your vague memory of a Times magazine article.

 

[Pander Bear]

I just want to throw some water on this fire and add that I'm all for heirloom produce, ethical farming, slow food, bran coats, and grass-fed beef.

I just don't think it should be wrapped up in some neo-primitivist, anti-technology, scam to get you to get your aura photographed.

You'll find a microwave in 99% of chef's personal homes and restaurant kitchens. They just don't use them to cook hot pockets.

 

[Tha Ghost]

Hahn

 

[fasteddie]

lmao

To me, if the food doesn't even taste right, that alone is an indication it should probably not be consumed. Actually, the primary reason I don't use the microwave is because most microwaved food tastes shitty.

Though I don't agree...it's hard to argue with that.

Microwaved beef tastes like formaldehyde.

 

[Mostslepton]

There are no scientific studies that show microwaves cause the problems cited in this discussion. THAT is the point.

I don't care. That is my point.

I keep asking for your evidence to support your opinion. My suspicion, is you have none

Nothing new there, I've said a thousand times that these are my opinions. I also stated clearly that I don't have much evidence, if any at all. Are you dense?

You must have a very bland, unadventurous palate.

For one, that is subjective. Two, I wouldn't say so. There are very few kinds of foods I dislike. I'm not a picky eater at all. And wait, let me get this straight... because I don't eat things I dislike I have a bland, unadventurous palate? Why should I eat something if I don't like the way it tastes? You're an idiot.

It's not an established fact, so please do not slyly try to add that in there.

Its an established fact in my mind, and I will do as I please.

You'll find a microwave in 99% of chef's personal homes and restaurant kitchens. They just don't use them to cook hot pockets.

I don't care if you can find methlabs in every neighborhood, and they don't use them to cook crack. I don't subscribe to the microwave. I don't care if everybody else owns two.

I just don't think it should be wrapped up in some neo-primitivist, anti-technology, scam to get you to get your aura photographed.

You've got the wrong guy :D Remember when i said:

if you think that i base my opinions on propaganda or claims by internet quacks, you are sadly mistaken.

And at least I'm not energetically toxic

 

[Coolio]

You're not basing your opinion on anything of substance. It'd be one thing if there were no studies done on the safety or health effects of microwave cooking. There are plenty of studies demonstrating that it is safe, and none that I can find demonstrating that it's harmful. Why would you continue to base your opinion of the subject on your intuition without seeking any confirmation from the outside world?

 

[LiquidMethod]

Let's say I wanted to do a study on the dangers of microwaves ovens:

Who else has anything to gain from this? Maybe people like myself that would like to prove everyone else wrong, but I don't see any financial incentive. So I would need a shitload of $$$ to do this properly, which I don't have at the moment.

Now who would benefit from studies saying that microwaves are safe? Well let's see; microwave oven manufacturers, wholesalers, retail stores, supermarkets, food companies......it's a multi-billion dollar industry, this humble microwave. (And it's common knowledge that companies pay for studies to be done that will prove whatever they want. If you don't believe this, you are ignorant.)

Now what if some renegade carried out this study, and started to find scientific evidence that microwaves are killing us. Would these superpowers sit back and let this happen? I think not. This is their livelihood, their source of (a very large) income. I'd go so far as to say that they would do everything in their power to NOT let this study be publicized. And we're talking powerful people here.

This is just a hypothetical. I recognize there is a possibility that microwaves are 100% safe and not detrimental to our well-being. Some of you people need to recognize the possibility of the opposite.

 

[RexHunt]

It's all a conspiracy.

Maximum Overdrive 2 - Attack of the Microwaves

haha :D