Michael Vick: Dogfighting Master of the Universe

[atri]

the title of this thread is awesome
if it were a movie it would be porn spoofed
michael dick : doggystyle master of the pooniverse

 

[forgotmypen]

I'm with the OP.

So the fuck what?

Eight dogs died and now I won't get to watch, arguably the most
explosive football player on the planet.

Animal's instinctively want to eliminate each other, in the wild or wherever.
The only difference being this was done in a controlled environment.

It's 4:30am now, I might regret this tomorrow. ah well.

fuck dogs.

 

[yiggy]

vick is not from the ghetto.

not every black athlete is from the ghetto.

dog fighting and animal fighting cruelty is NOT frowned upon in all cultures and societies AND ethnic groups with their own sub-cultures such as blacks in large cities across america. same with latinos, they like cock fighting. just because dogs are cute and considered pets in our culture/country does not mean their lives are more valuable then a bull, cock(rooster fighting is very popular across the world) or a horse. however i personally dont agree with dog fighting i respect that my opinions are not the only ones nor the correct ones.

as a pro athlete in the spotlight especially with recent problems/suspensions in the NFL, he should however, have respected the law. he knew it was illegal, and for that, he is an idiot.

however do not judge someone because they have different beliefs than you. the only universal thing us humans MUST respect is the rights of other humans and by making laws to reflect the majority or popular belief is not always correct and directly contradicts this fundamental "law" i just mentioned.

expand ur minds and open up to the thought that the USA and americans are not the end all be all of what is morally correct. remember this is a country that favors corporate influence over the morally correct move in politics/law considering weed is a schd. I drug illegal and tobacco and alcohol are legal and distributed on every corner.



^and i agree in a way with u above except that these dogs are certainly being trained and brutalized in order to put up a good fight as its not natural for dogs to fight to the death. dominance is displayed in seconds usually and the other becomes submissive passive and will not continue to fight or confront the dominant canine

 

[m885]

Vick's going to enter a guilty plea next Monday, no word on the terms of the deal yet...

 

[bowdenta]

sorry but superstar athletes in 99% of american high schools will see some influence from ghettoized black athletes. even as a white boy at a prep school, i saw a lot the ghetto just though sports

also breaking news: vicks entering a plea a - rumor is it involves jail time

 

[fatallyflawed]

im glad if he goes to jail....cause i never thought much of him as a player....fuckin RB desguised as a QB

 

[faris]

vick is not from the ghetto

"Vick, who was born into financially-disadvantaged circumstances living in a public housing project, became a stand-out high school football player."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick

expand ur minds and open up to the thought that the USA and americans are not the end all be all of what is morally correct.

i'll thank you to let us police our own country the way we see fit, whether it is morally-correct in YOUR country or not.

 

[m885]

however do not judge someone because they have different beliefs than you. the only universal thing us humans MUST respect is the rights of other humans and by making laws to reflect the majority or popular belief is not always correct and directly contradicts this fundamental "law" i just mentioned.

Drowning and hanging animals because they didn't perform well in a gambling ring has nothing to do with "different beliefs". It's cruelty, nothing more and nothing less. In this country, that's illegal- those are our beliefs. If someone wants to organize a cock fighting ring in Mexico it's Mexico's problem. Vick lives in America, so he's going to prison. There's such a thing as having too much of an "open mind".

 

[Benefit]

Bollocks Matt. You are projecting an American morality (which is itself only a half truth as obviously dog fighting is a culturally acceptable practice in some parts of America, just not rich white Connecticut) as some kind superior ethical standard that must be accepted by all people in this country for their own good. The fact of the matter is morality has always existed on a sliding scale and there is no universal moral code. What is abhorrent to you is a cultural norm to others. Don't be such a bigot. If you were subject to my own personal Draconian morality, I would have you drawn and quartered for eating steak.

It's just like in Star Trek when the USS Enterprise would go to different planets and expect the aliens there to behave like human beings and conform to a set of human moral codes. Every time Captain Picard violated the Prime Directive by imposing homo sapien notions of proper conduct on an alien society, I died a little bit on the inside.

 

[DigitalDuality]

I'm with the OP.

So the fuck what?

Eight dogs died and now I won't get to watch, arguably the most
explosive football player on the planet.

Animal's instinctively want to eliminate each other, in the wild or wherever.
The only difference being this was done in a controlled environment.

It's 4:30am now, I might regret this tomorrow. ah well.

fuck dogs.

No fuck sports. It's just a fucking game. I don't care that people enjoy it, but give me a break. I don't give a shit how seriously anyone takes it. These are fucking living breathing animals and some rich piece of shit from the hood should be locked up for killing them for sport and entertainment.

And don't get be started on the sociological bullshit. I'm so tired of "black america" (at least in the mainstream media) backing every thug, animal killer, child molestor, wife murderer, rapist, (vick, Michael Jackson, OJ, R Kelly, Akon, etc.). just b/c they're black and a sports star or a music star. Fuck em. Lock em up, throw away the key and stop by their cell a few times to piss through the bars a couple times a day.

You'd think if you give these meat-heads a million dollars they could find some other way to entertain themselves that didn't hurt anybody? Wtf happened to doing drugs and getting pussy? Exactly when does that get old and you're so fucking jaded that you have to kill to get your rocks off.

Fuck vick. He deserves racial epithets.. that.. or to be forced legally to hangout with PETA everyday.

And frankly, i don't care that my morality is western centric. I make no apologies. Vick should be treated like the dogs he killed. Period.

 

[JerryBlunted]

Just because a lot of things are screwy in America with regards to morality doesn't remove the responsibility of enforcing acceptable behavior here. Maiming and killing animals for sport is not acceptable here, end of story. Places where dog fighting, cock fighting, etc. are acceptable are for the most part backwards shitholes.

Sorry for not keeping an open mind, but give me a break. All behaviors are not equally legitimate. There is a difference between eating animals for nutrition and destroying them for a cheap thrill.

And growing up in a disadvantaged situation is not an excuse for stupidity and deviant behaviors. Certainly it is harder to "act right" if you don't have good role models growing up, but the vast majority of people who live in the ghetto are normal people not criminals and sociopaths.

 

[cravNbeets]

Sorry for not keeping an open mind, but give me a break. All behaviors are not equally legitimate. There is a difference between eating animals for nutrition and destroying them for a cheap thrill.

here here.

some people also seem to be forgetting that vick (allegedly) committed a federal crime. outrage around the issue of dogfighting is really beside the point. now the fact that he'll likely be banned from the nfl for life, thats a different story

 

[DigitalDuality]

The Atlanta Humane Society is now accepting Michael Vick t-shirts and jerseys. They'll be used as bedding, chew toys and rags for cleaning up dog doo. Which is only appropriate, right, Rocky?

 

[Benefit]

Come on Bryan, my Star Trek reference did nothing for you?

 

[DigitalDuality]

The USS Enterprise would go to alien worlds and expect them to agree to a set of moral codes that were set by the members (plural) of the Federation. If a couple 100 alien races could agree, so could others to varying degrees

 

[yiggy]

he was born into poverty but i am nearly positive he didnt go to a ghetto high school and obviously once he graduated he had a full ride plus some perks for going to Virginia Tech.

as i said NUMEROUS times, regardless of your PERSONAL beliefs about dog fighting, he broke a law(a federal one at that), and for that, he is to be held accountable.
however, i just wanted to point out that he is being charged with a felony for a crime that is not hurting any humans and he sentence for this shit may be worse than if he had shot someone and then they survive...not to mention my valid point that it is not truly fair for us to judge something like dog fighting because some people think shit like the UFC/MMA(mixed-martial-arts), boxing, and EVEN FOOTBALL are too violent and should be banned or controlled more.

so if a percentage of people, even a very tiny one, has a different belief and it DOES NOT HURT ANOTHER HUMAN physically, emotionally, financially, etc i believe(and this is an opinion), that its not really our place to judge, much less make it a federal felony offense.
please realize that what one person or group of people/culture(s) finds offensive is not what is the standard or a shared belief across all populations of the globe.

let me ask you this....a relatively large group of people(PETA) thinks the very slaughter of animals even for FOOD purposes is wrong and should be changed, should i be judged for eating meat? the only difference in these examples is that the larger portion of people think killing animals for eating is perfectly fine.
a large percentage of people think weed is dangerous(even linked strongly with violence/crime), non-medicinal, addictive, and damaging to users both casual and habitual, and it is against the law to possess and use marijuana.....should i be judged MUCH LESS imprisoned/jailed for using them even if its part of my original culture and personally feel its acceptable?

just because we have a law HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, doesnt mean its necessarily morally correct across the board. as drug users, i figured the majority of people here would be able to look at this objectively without interjecting their personal feelings about dogs and pass judgment....the only reason i even agree that he should be punished is because if we allow people to get off the hook on one law, then eventually criminals will be using the same concept to get out of violent crmes that actually hurt and affect human beings.

 

[smotpoker]

Originally posted by yiggy: "some people think shit like the UFC/MMA(mixed-martial-arts), boxing, and EVEN FOOTBALL are too violent and should be banned or controlled more.

UFC and Football are things people choose to do. did Vick give the dogs any choice on whether or not they wanted to fight? That's one of the silliest arguments ever told.

 

[DigitalDuality]

he was born into poverty but i am nearly positive he didnt go to a ghetto high school and obviously once he graduated he had a full ride plus some perks for going to Virginia Tech.

as i said NUMEROUS times, regardless of your PERSONAL beliefs about dog fighting, he broke a law(a federal one at that), and for that, he is to be held accountable.
however, i just wanted to point out that he is being charged with a felony for a crime that is not hurting any humans and he sentence for this shit may be worse than if he had shot someone and then they survive...not to mention my valid point that it is not truly fair for us to judge something like dog fighting because some people think shit like the UFC/MMA(mixed-martial-arts), boxing, and EVEN FOOTBALL are too violent and should be banned or controlled more.

so if a percentage of people, even a very tiny one, has a different belief and it DOES NOT HURT ANOTHER HUMAN physically, emotionally, financially, etc i believe(and this is an opinion), that its not really our place to judge, much less make it a federal felony offense.

please realize that what one person or group of people/culture(s) finds offensive is not what is the standard or a shared belief across all populations of the globe.

let me ask you this....a relatively large group of people(PETA) thinks the very slaughter of animals even for FOOD purposes is wrong and should be changed, should i be judged for eating meat? the only difference in these examples is that the larger portion of people think killing animals for eating is perfectly fine.
a large percentage of people think weed is dangerous(even linked strongly with violence/crime), non-medicinal, addictive, and damaging to users both casual and habitual, and it is against the law to possess and use marijuana.....should i be judged MUCH LESS imprisoned/jailed for using them even if its part of my original culture and personally feel its acceptable?

just because we have a law HERE IN THIS COUNTRY, doesnt mean its necessarily morally correct across the board. as drug users, i figured the majority of people here would be able to look at this objectively without interjecting their personal feelings about dogs and pass judgment....the only reason i even agree that he should be punished is because if we allow people to get off the hook on one law, then eventually criminals will be using the same concept to get out of violent crmes that actually hurt and affect human beings.

i don't care about cultural differences. I simply don't. Every culture in the world can go get screwed as far as i'm concerned.

Hurting animals for entertainment is in no way moral. For food? For clothing? Fine, as long as we're not doing grave environmental damage like ridding the earth of a species. But for entertainment? Sorry, not acceptable ever. Not for any living being. It's not like these dogs died while lab scientists were testing for a cancer cure. They died so some idiots could bet money and have a laugh.

And lets not pretend that black men in the US aiding "dog fighting" has some deep cultural roots like Spanish bullfighting. Not that i think bullfighting is right in anyway shape or form, culture be damned, but at least it's a long practiced tradition.


Sorry, i refuse to be so "open minded" that i allow my brain to fall out.

 

[cravNbeets]

in some cultures it's normal to rape females of an opposing tribe/ethnicity/social standing... pretty sure i dont need to be open minded about that.

 

[fatallyflawed]

in some cultures it's normal to rape females of an opposing tribe/ethnicity/social standing... pretty sure i dont need to be open minded about that.

since we like to bring up cultural differences lets stop bein like america is so god damned perfect!!!

We had slaves at one point in our history....we today as a society belive it more important to feed people in Somalia (and Im a marine and let me tell u there ARE people over there who rather die than us help them) while we watch our homeless die and suffer!

No culture is perfect and i really hate when countries point fingers at others and say they are screwed up for whatever reason when they are as fucked as the next!!!