Mexico tells US get straight about drugs

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Mexican President Felipe Calderon has a startling message for the Obama administration: Get straight about drugs. "Either prosecute or "have the honesty" to legalize. "But what you cannot do is have this incoherent policy, because it causes terrible damage." Calderon could not be more correct. He is absolutely right when he argues that the US makes it nearly impossible to fight illegal drug use when college kids can smoke marijuana without fear of prosecution and those who claim they are sick can get pot with a prescription.

Our dear leaders are positively incoherent on the subject of illegal drugs. Secretary of State Hillary CLinton displayed a complete lack of intelligence when she told a Mexican reporter that pot couldn't be legalized because 'there's just too much money in it'. Yes, there is too much money in it because it is illegal Mrs. Clinton.

full @ http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/capitol/mexico_devastating_critique_efi5QajEqS9mFF3bUyhj1H
 
that is comment i wanted to see come from Mexico :)

Our dear leaders are positively incoherent on the subject of illegal drugs. Secretary of State Hillary CLinton displayed a complete lack of intelligence when she told a Mexican reporter that pot couldn't be legalized because 'there's just too much money in it'. Yes, there is too much money in it because it is illegal Mrs. Clinton...... Burn ;)
 
^Clinton's remarks pissed me off pretty bad, she is well aware that the money exists in pot because of its illegal nature. She probably doesn't know/doesn't want to know that that money would be a moot point if legalization took place.

Thinking outside of the box = something politicians don't do.
 
Mexico needs to take a harder stand on the US, whatever money we hold over there heads isn't worth the blood that is hitting the streets in that country.

Daytime hits. American weapons. Torture. Iraq Style beheadings.


And all of this, just across the Rio Grande.
 
Portugal's drug policy should have given the world all the evidence it needed re: ending prohibition. I'm glad Calderon chose to speak up. You would think that a country that so violently advocates "democracy" (i.e. rule by the people) would get the hint by peoples' drug consumption that people want their drugs.
 
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I can't edit posts on my current machine but was referring to the USA as the country that "violently advocates 'democracy'".
 
NeighborhoodThreat said:
^Clinton's remarks pissed me off pretty bad, she is well aware that the money exists in pot because of its illegal nature. She probably doesn't know/doesn't want to know that that money would be a moot point if legalization took place.

Thinking outside of the box = something politicians don't do.
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not surprised her husband cheated on that dumb bitch
 
What can you do?

IMHO Mrs. Clinton is not that far from reality. I'm sure that she is not just "ignorant" to the current situation. She has proven to be a brilliant politician. I am not a supporter of Mrs. Clinton personally. I believe that she said it just like she meant it. There is a lot of money in keeping the industry illegal. It's not just for people selling pot. Legalization will not lead to tax revenue like alcohol and tobacco. Sure it looks good on paper, but it wouldn't happen that way. I could go into deep explanation, and I will discuss this if anybody would like. My point is that the government in the USA (local, state, federal) makes more money from prohibition, than they ever would from tax revenue. If they could become more rich they would. That is why the legislation is the way it is. Think about it this way... They could tax a grower and/or seller for all the pot they sell, or they could just take all their profits, period. I won't even mention an entire industry of politicians and their best lobbyist friends that feed their children/greed off of prohibition.
 
Fuck this article seriously, all that this Mexican president did was move along the process of having even MORE draconian drug laws in the US... Say goodbye to medical marijuana and hello to even more people incarcerated and/or have all their assets taken by the US gov't b/c "you were using drugs."

FUCK THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM OF THE WORLD! Am I the only one that see's reality as it is? Because even most you people on here don't understand the complex way governments work it seems...
 
If Mexico wanted to really make a point, they'd legalize it themselves. They can't very well point the finger at us when their own government and military is corrupted by drug money.
 
Herbal~Jah said:
Fuck this article seriously, all that this Mexican president did was move along the process of having even MORE draconian drug laws in the US... Say goodbye to medical marijuana and hello to even more people incarcerated and/or have all their assets taken by the US gov't b/c "you were using drugs."

FUCK THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT SYSTEM OF THE WORLD! Am I the only one that see's reality as it is? Because even most you people on here don't understand the complex way governments work it seems...
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Fuck the article? EERRRRRrrrrrr.....okay, teh intercourse haz beegun =D


Srsly tho, I'm just gonna say it: YAYYY CALDERON!!! I'm unfamiliar with him as a person, and even most of his policies outside of the border/drugs. However, it's nice to see a politician - *especially* a politician in a country such as mexico - have some nuts and speak the truth, damn any funding/political-suicide consequences!!


Calderon sees the absurd problems created by prohibition in his country, we just read about it here in the US. Actually, let me be more specific - people in the US who *want* to read about it, can. Average citizens, not just Calderon, *see* it in Mexico, even if they don't want to.
This needs to end. Too many cookie jars with hands that refuse to move, but I'm going to have to disagree with:
diastereomeric --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
IMHO Mrs. Clinton is not that far from reality. I'm sure that she is not just "ignorant" to the current situation. She has proven to be a brilliant politician. I am not a supporter of Mrs. Clinton personally. I believe that she said it just like she meant it. There is a lot of money in keeping the industry illegal. It's not just for people selling pot. Legalization will not lead to tax revenue like alcohol and tobacco. Sure it looks good on paper, but it wouldn't happen that way. I could go into deep explanation, and I will discuss this if anybody would like. My point is that the government in the USA (local, state, federal) makes more money from prohibition, than they ever would from tax revenue. If they could become more rich they would. That is why the legislation is the way it is. Think about it this way... They could tax a grower and/or seller for all the pot they sell, or they could just take all their profits, period. I won't even mention an entire industry of politicians and their best lobbyist friends that feed their children/greed off of prohibition.

There is MORE cash to be made, in the end, via legalization than there is to be made in prohibition. Yes, profits go up if/when we legalize IT ALL. I know most will have a knee-jerk reaction to the contrary, but I promise I'm not trolling. Think about it: PROFITS GO UP WHEN WE LEGALIZE IT ALL.
 
melange said:
yea their president bitches at us a lot

and I have a feeling it's not a "hey let's help my people out" bitching

it's more like a "godamnit please help me, this shit is crazy what is going on this is hard work"
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I think it's both...and he knows exactly what's going on, TPTB want it left illegal to maintain, well, everyone knows what's being maintained. Only problem is that maintaining this system is now starting to get very ugly for his country, and with the recent DEA agent (ICE agent? Whatev's, same result either way) who went down (on their side of the border), and especially with the US's response to that, this is not going to be swept under the rug as easily as before.
@ "235360287471352662": has the US given the "response/message" yet? Have the cartels responded? GG search your username, you were keeping up on that the last I checked ;)
 
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Calderon marveled that American university students tell him that most of their classmates smoke marijuana, "but one cigarette is almost a capital crime." Medical marijuana, he said, "not only opened the door" but destroyed the "perception about how dangerous the drugs are."

Go Calderon!!
 
No. I was talking about legalizing wholesale production and sale of drugs and taxing it. Mexico accepts huge amounts of money and assistance from the US for the war on drugs. That money isn't helping Mexico. They'd be better off legalizing and taxing drugs. It's hypocritical to legalize possession of small amounts for personal use but not legalize and regulate the business of producing and selling quality drugs.

diastereomeric said:
I didn't think you were talking about decriminalization, but for others this might provide useful knowledge. http://www.nytimes.com/2006/04/29/world/americas/29mexico.html
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AfterGlow said:
No. I was talking about legalizing wholesale production and sale of drugs and taxing it. Mexico accepts huge amounts of money and assistance from the US for the war on drugs. That money isn't helping Mexico. They'd be better off legalizing and taxing drugs. It's hypocritical to legalize possession of small amounts for personal use but not legalize and regulate the business of producing and selling quality drugs.
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I fully agree with you.
I'm 100% full-on-legalization*.
BUT, to be fair, Mexico already does "legalize and tax" drugs in a way, WITH RESPECT TO proper wholesale production(cartels). It's corrupt-as-fuck, and it's a shame it has to be that way, but it's the only rational outcome with prohibition in place**.

/*I do endorse penalties for driving wrecklessly while on substances (do not endorse general "driving intoxicated" laws in the US). I endorse easy access to treatment for addicts, as well as maintenance drugs. I endorse tolerance of usage so long as usage /= broken laws. No special treatment, intoxicated or not.
//**I cannot believe nobody's called my post on that yet. I'm declaring that drug legalization, in full/100%, results in a net financial, and social for that matter, benefit to society. Both are easily demonstratable.
 
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