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Methamphetamine Myth Maddness

Use Dextroamphetamine instead of Meth. It isn't quite as potent, but it's a lot less neurotoxic...
 
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But that isn't going to help the growing meth population manage to avoid chronic meth use.

The think that concerns me is that it is attempting to promote the use of one drug over another. I'm very concerned about avoiding the impression that any drug use is promoted by the guidelines, especially methamphetamine.

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I don't think anything is going to help a whole lot. Meth is a very addictive drug, only because people tend to go on several day binges with it, then after they come down off it, they take more to offset the depression it causes. It is a nasty cycle to some people... If you could somehow prevent that, then it would cut down somewhat on meth addicts, but people do what they want no matter what they hear, so i dont think there is much you can do for them.
 
I dont think dextroamphetamine is any safer in terms of addiction, but it is much safer due to the fact that you know what you are getting instead of it containing worthless crap and sometimes dangerous chemicals.
 
You see, I am trying to develop stage based usage patterns which are geared towards avoiding addiction. Those who are already addicted aren't going to benefit from this. I'm focusing on possibly preventing future addicts.

People run out of control because at some point they let themselves lose control. And I'd bet that they allowed that to happen because their didn't know they were doing it at the time. The idea is to be aware of these danger windows, know what to look for, and avoid allowing the drug to produce a reinforcement patterns.


I dont think dextroamphetamine is any safer in terms of addiction, but it is much safer due to the fact that you know what you are getting instead of it containing worthless crap and sometimes dangerous chemicals.

Toxicology isn't my main focus. Preventing chronic use is. :)
 
Whats wrong with chronic use then if toxicology isn't an issue? I use amphetamines every day, then i usually use them recreationally (100+mg's) on the weekends and i have no problems whatsoever... Methamphetamine is shit when it comes to this because when i use amphetamines recreationally i can usually get some sleep that night (usually around 4-6 hours). the problem with meth is because of the duration of the drug, the user is unable to sleep, so therefore usually takes more of the drug to offset the comedown instead of sleeping it off like you can on dextroamphetamine...

Like i said, if everyone that uses meth swtiched to dextroamphetamine, you wouldn't be having this discussion



Meth sucks
 
Motox786 said:
Whats wrong with chronic use then if toxicology isn't an issue?
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I didn't say that toxicology wasn't an issue. Out of control drug use is. Toxicology is much easier to control if you already have full control over your drug use.

The point is to not become a meth-a-holic.

Like i said, if everyone that uses meth swtiched to dextroamphetamine, you wouldn't be having this discussion
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I'm doing this because I'm not seeing anyone else do it. There are no "if's" to fall back on.

At present, methamphetamine has been used (at least once) by 1% of the world's population. That exceeds the use of heroin and cocaine combined. And meth use is continuing to grow at an extremely rapid pace. It has spread through out Asia, Australia, and North America, and it is beginning to spread through South America. I expect that some time within the next 3 to 4 years, it will pick up in Europe, and then finally Africa.

From my viewpoint, no one is handling this issue properly. The "Just say no" crowd stand around shaking their heads, and may be having an somewhat of impact on the rate of increase. But at the rate this is growing such avoidance promoting measures are nothing more than a disaster.

The FEDs are tossing people into prisons, and should successfully have 25% of the US population behind bars by the year 2020. Not only is that immoral, but there's no way that 75% of the population can pay for 25% of the population to be imprisoned.

The fact of the matter is that more and more people are chosing to use methamphetamine and are liking it. And in the process are acquiring a drug dependency (resulting in chronic use with potential long term negative health consequences). And I'm not even convinced that the majority are developing the dependencies (you'll need to read back through the thread on that one, it's been discussed to death).

I am looking at the problem from a different viewpoint. One of shaping use behavior for those who have already decided to use the drug.
 
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Motox786

I dont think dextroamphetamine is any safer in terms of addiction, but it is much safer due to the fact that you know what you are getting instead of it containing worthless crap and sometimes dangerous chemicals.
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Motox786 Whats wrong with chronic use then if toxicology isn't an issue? I use amphetamines every day, then i usually use them recreationally (100+mg's) on the weekends and i have no problems whatsoever... Methamphetamine is shit when it comes to this because when i use amphetamines recreationally i can usually get some sleep that night (usually around 4-6 hours). the problem with meth is because of the duration of the drug, the user is unable to sleep, so therefore usually takes more of the drug to offset the comedown instead of sleeping it off like you can on dextroamphetamine...

Like i said, if everyone that uses meth swtiched to dextroamphetamine, you wouldn't be having this discussion
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I totally agree. The difference between meth/dextro aside from neurotoxicity is the inability to sleep after meth. It turns a "Saturday night out" into a 3 day binge. And worse, since if you're up until sunday night, you probably are so messed up that you won't sleep well, and then Monday comes and the responsibilities along with it - so what does the meth use do? Do another line Monday morning of course. And the cycle starts again.

If I may for a moment compare this to excessive MDMA use (since I have experience with that 8) ):

With MDMA, if I go hard Saturday night, and continue to snort MDMA all night and into Sunday morning, I feel like absolute and total crap Sunday/Monday - BUT a huge difference is that if I snort MORE MDMA Sunday night or Monday morning, it doesn't help - just makes me more scattered and more fucked up.

So with MDMA, there is a limited ability to function while using continually. Meth/amphetamine directly alleviates the hangover that it causes, allowing for almost continual re-administration.
 
Alcohol is a major problem too... So is tobacco... These two drugs are abused all the time regardless of whether the user knew about the dangers or not (most people do know)... Why would meth be any different?
 
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Alcohol is a major problem too... So is tobacco... These two drugs are abused all the time regardless of whether the user knew about the dangers or not (most people do know)... Why would meth be any different?
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This question has been already been answered in this thread several times. :)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?postid=3099810#post3099810

Each of today's individual user disasters, may very likely become tomorrow's long term care patient (requiring a great deal of medical resources and life maintenance care). It is possible that in 10 to 15 years 10% of the world's population could be a major healthcare and maintenance burden. Long term functional users (even if they smoke the stuff like cigarettes), so long as they remain functional, won't cause an economic crisis down the line.

True, long term use may result in health complications. But someone who is functional doesn't need expensive, daily maintenance (such as emptying the bed pans every few hours for 20 or more years).


Think out side of the box. ;)

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OOPS! Darn!

You'd better tell MSNBC to retract this article then:
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/6646180/


Oh, and if you care to look at a comparison study, here is one which was done at UCLA which compares Gender Differences in Sexual Behavior and Attitudes among Opiate, Alcohol, Cocaine and Methamphetamine Users:
http://www.uclaisap.org/slides/Index58/index.htm

10 points if you can guess which drug came out way a head of the others in the study.


So, why is it that I'm annoying again? :\



Is there never any end to the stupid, mindless, comments that people will make to this thread? 8(
 
The funny thing is that the comments made by folks like RoboticOpiateMaster just further goes to highlight the very title of this thread. :D
 
I like having sex on meth/dexedrine. It is hard to get it up, but once you get going, it's like never ending pleasure...

Sorry about bashing this thread, but i feel once a person tries meth, they are either hooked or they aren't. I think it's the one drug that genetics influence the most as to wether a person will get addicted or not.

I could be wrong, but in my experience with friends, that seems to be how it is.
 
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... but i feel once a person tries meth, they are either hooked or they aren't.
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What other possibilities are there? :\
 
Motox786, I didn't perceive you as bashing the thread. You're posts were actually rather refreshing in that regard. :)

I also tend to believe that some have a genetic disposition towards developing a drug dependency with methamphetamine. And that actually is a part of my thinking on the "invisible user base" I mentioned earlier. Genetics could account for that groups appearent absence in the "positives" group.
 
I meant the first time they try it. It is already set and done that they are hooked and can't be helped or they are just going to be occasional users or even some may never try it again


I knew right after the first time i tried it (5 years ago) that it was something i wouldn't be using very often. And the friend i did it with was a full-blown meth head about 3 months after that day...

I don't know exactly what i'm trying to get at, but all i know is that meth users know meth is bad, but they will use it no matter what regardless of how bad it is. Therefore this thread is pointless
 
No, that is the exact point of the thread. To provide techniques in both self awareness and behavior adjustment so as to avoid acquiring a drug dependence.

Your friend faced several initial signs which, if he had been trained to look for them, would have given him a strong indication that he was going to get into trouble. If he would have taken them to heart or not, is a different matter.

Motox786, I hope that I am right and that people will be able to curb their use of this drug willfully. And further, that the approaches which will will hopefully be able to provide as a result of this effort become commonly in use.

Because, if I am wrong, the rate of chronic use is rising so rapidly, you may be looking at as much as 10% of the population being handicapped by brain damage in 10 to 15 years. And perhaps not even so much by their exposure to methamphetamine, as their exposure to toxic byproducts of its unregulated production. :\
 
I think there should be a section dedicated to dental care. I feel that the meth mouth is mainly due to lack of brushing as someone on meth does not want to waste 5 minutes in the bathroom brushing.

Here are my tips on "speed" brushing (pun intended) :). Note that I am not a dentist so I might be wrong. This is all from my own experience (I hate brushing my teeth).

Studies shows that people don't brush long enough for the flouride to take effect. See article for more info. It says that you need to brush at least 3 to 4 minutes before the flouride to fully take effect and protect your teeth. So how do you brush for 4 minutes when all you want to do is get this over with and go back to your smoking?

I usually brush as usual which usually only take 1 minute to complete. After my brushing, I would then chew about a quarter inch of tooth paste in my mouth. By leaving the paste in my mouth, it allows the flouride to take effect and my breath always smell fresh. :)

Also, I have read that flouride is toxic but then again, I think meth is far worst.

Please correct me if I am wrong as I am not a professional in the dental care industry.
 
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