Methamphetamine Discussion Thread 2.0

[the red shark]

I recently got some good quality shards. It tastes like nothing, very clean, sets quickly, turns opaque white when set, smokes well, minimal residue. Problem is it wears off about 4 or so hours when smoked. I'm used to it lasting about 8. Can anyone offer a reason for it's short-lasting effects...

 

[CrayZ]

interesting post not happening. I too was only recently introduced to meth (with smoking the preferred roi) and have been a little infatuated with it these last couple of years. But, at my age, it seems... 'silly'? and I also suffer the guilt trips about it not only in relation to my family, but just from the viewpoint of it seeming like a... well, a young persons drug. ie. at my age "i should know better". (tho i've always countered the latter argument with a hearty 'get fucked' so i'm not sure why it's more of an issue).

I'm a bit surprised by your story of smoking near a gram of meth and then sleeping 4 hours later. Personally, i can't sleep within 12 hours of smoking <50mg without heavy assistance of some kind and for me that is the biggest issue I have with it, and the fact that the quality varies greatly, is never consistent and probably contains some pretty nasty byproducts/cutters. Oh, and the nasty comedowns surprisingly 2 to 3 days later are tough on me and those closest to me. but fuck, I've had hangovers that are worse...

Weirdly, I am yet to experience anything I would call real 'euphoria' whatsoever regardless of how much i seem to smoke. This is probably a good thing. So 'why smoke it' I hear you ask. Apart from the novelty of it, what it does do for me on the rare occasions I use it (2 to 4 micro-binges a year... admittedly on the increase) is instantly snap me out of (and make me aware of) any depressive state i might be in at the time. Makes me seriously wonder if I have adult ADD... Or perhaps this is all the old neurons can muster up these days.

Anyway, your story prompted me to share a little of mine. And I applaud your decision to give meth a wide berth. I can see how it's something that can easily slip out of control for a lot of people. I'm actually quite relieved it wasn't popular when I was growing up.

 

[laugh]

I recently got some good quality shards. It tastes like nothing, very clean, sets quickly, turns opaque white when set, smokes well, minimal residue. Problem is it wears off about 4 or so hours when smoked. I'm used to it lasting about 8. Can anyone offer a reason for it's short-lasting effects...

sounds cut dude. depends on tolly and how many days youve been up and how much food you havnt eaten as well though.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Subjective effects may not be felt for as long when smoked but I'm sure some batches may have a higher concentration of "pure" meth 60% vs 80% for example and as a result you get more meth in your system resulting in longer lasting effect. The difference is 20 mg a point so if you smoked 2 points you get of 80% meth you get 40 mg more than smoking 60% meth. Over a gram it's 200 mg more meth. Same sort of thing if it's 95% vs 80%. The less cut, the more meth, the higher you get. If you want to get the longer lasting effect snorting back some shard is the way to go vs smoking. Can be more intense than smoking as well, more rushy. Not as much as IV but a rush non the less and it lasts 8 + hours depending on dose (I'd usually redose at 5-6 hours if I wanted to keep up). Also laugh has already outlined the other issues such as food and sleep.

Edit: As laugh states on the next post plugging could be a viable HR technique but have 0 personal experience with meth and this route of administration but apparently it's good.

 

[Dunno]

Just a thought...The money that could be made by meth manufacturers, dealers if someone out there would import a massive amount of Alprazolam into Australia

 

[michael6120]

I recently got some good quality shards. It tastes like nothing, very clean, sets quickly, turns opaque white when set, smokes well, minimal residue. Problem is it wears off about 4 or so hours when smoked. I'm used to it lasting about 8. Can anyone offer a reason for it's short-lasting effects...

Same here. Very very surprised . . this recent stuff melts down beautifully and looks as clear and clean as you can get which got me quite excited upon inspection. . . but feels no different than lower grade speed to my surprise. Pretty much the same - that HOLY HELL meth feeling isnt here unfortunately. Still does a good thing tho . .

 

[mork]

^ is there much smoke on the exhale?

 

[indybreaker]

got some good qual local clear as a windexd window kinda shard today. had a toke at old mates bout 5pm and have been doing exams up antil now as Im going to give plugging a point a go. ive always been a smoker but never got that charg I used to get from 'ye olde days' of 1 point of gas on ya tongue raving all night and with a blister on it the next day.....anyhow I know its fukn ace gear as I am slamming thru my exam with confidence, but time to plug up

 

[indybreaker]

holy shit I had this mega 10 paragraph thesis typed up on the whole experience but it was fukn hilarious. bugger. ill try get back into that state after work today

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Got a point of meth that seems to fit your description indybreaker. Not the most rushy gear but I feel stimulated after railing back 50 mg. Not as good as gear a few months back but still good quality and clean. Taken 10 mg Roche valium and at a nice level. Going to clean the house and do chores I've been putting off for a while. Hardly do meth these days but just got a new job offer and thought meh, why not and I need to clean my house. Won't be going back as the gear is good but not fantastic.

 

[indybreaker]

^same as me , ive been off it fo 4 months and decided to see the differences of effects ...so last night I plugged 1point and felt pretty relaxed not wired. wmoked some this arvo and feel chilled the same (gear does chill me down so answer is no- I didn't get dodgee gear)......yeah the few months back was brought up from syd that's why. this lot I recently got is still solid big long shards, just tad cloudier then the clear as fuck stuff back around march ish

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Shards I got were crystal clear no cloudiness but heaps less rushy. The gear a month or so back I had to take 1-2 mg xanax just to handle 1/2 a point otherwise it was a bit too intense. Can't complain though house is clean and I have not slept as yet although I will in another hour or so lol. Never get any euphoria (unless it's U4RIA, thats wild shit) of meth or dexies just stimulation and focus which is nice. Probably why I hardly use the stuff as it's good to get a bunch of work around the house done but that's about it. I got 1 1/2 points for 1 point so I'm not disappointed but I've used it all in 24 hours. The other shit would last 2-3 days (not back to back) from just 100 mg using 30 mg roughly a day. I'd rather do 25c nbome or 2cb/2ci/2ce or MXE... love mexxie! I just wouldn't get anything productive done though lol.

 

[thejazzman]

Really disappointed with the quality lately. Greedy c--ts are cutting the gear to fuck and selling it at top dollar without any qualms at all. Tiny shards evaporate to nothing and leave the pipe in a right mess, slow crackback, no legs, obviously shithouse stuff. It's no wonder that people are turning to online vendors at a rapid rate.

 

[oldirtybizza]

Got a point of meth that seems to fit your description indybreaker. Not the most rushy gear but I feel stimulated after railing back 50 mg. Not as good as gear a few months back but still good quality and clean.

A while back some of the nicest looking clear looking shards, were pretty average. I was told by a reliable sort that it wasn't cut, definitely didn't have that re-rock look to it.

I suspect that restrictions over in asia and aus on PSE have led to greater use of other synths which create racemic meth (lev+dex).
The old school mom and pop PSE powdered crank was better than a lot of the good looking Ice shards at present.

Even a shard of racemic meth at very high street purity say 90% would only yield 45% of the dex meth that kids crave. pretty ridiculous when you consider the $$

 

[drancer]

Besides benzos, what have you guys found to be useful in getting some shut eye after a meth day/night? I am developing a lil tolerance to those xannies and want to use something else that could be almost just as useful. I heard restavit and valerian root may help, Is that true??

 

[drug_mentor]

Seroquel is great if you can get it, it is a prescription drug though so you need a script or to buy it illegally, unless you have a mate with a few spare I suppose.

Restavit works decent, I wouldn't want to be replying on restavit alone but with a handful of valiums or something it goes down alright for helping you sleep.

Alcohol and weed are always useful for me in that circumstance as well.

 

[Funzo]

Yes, any excessive smoke and or combustion precursory to a fire in progress or about to ignite will trip a detector from passive standby mode into the more sensitive imminent action mode. Depending on its configuration and construction don't make so much smoke that the device transitions to its mode of sensitiveness. This can result in alarm activation without the presence of carbon oxides of rising head.

If you see the led on the smoke alarm tern red or flash yellow stop smoking immediately. If you don't it will go off.

Thanks Docta! I actually just tested it by blowing directly into a smoke alarm. Beeped of course.

 

[mork]

quetiapine (serequel) and ziprasidone (zeldox) used to put a binge to bed for me.

 

[lovepsychadelics]

Valerian root tastes like old socks and is just as effective coming off a meth binge. Also using valerian root for 3 weeks or more can cause depression as well as being useless for comedowns, except maybe a mild MDMA comedown, and tasting like someones old gym socks. Seroquel is actually an anti psychotic and a benzo analogue it's got a benzodiaz ring in there someplace as has Olanzapine. Olanzapine is structurally similar to Clozapine and Quetiapine (Seroquel), but is classified as a thienobenzodiazepine. So basically these anti psychotics are distant cousins of xanax and valium. Seroquel and Olanzapine give you the munchies as well. Avanza (mirtazapine) is the easiest to get a script for as it's an antidepressant and we all know how Doc's love to give out anti-depressants.

Stay far the fuck away from Clozapine it'll kill you or fuck with your heart if your on meth, hell it's dodgy as fuck just by itself and you need to have Clozapine blood levels done and Vitals taken twice a day when starting out on this bad boy, it's serious shit and banned in EU. Avanza can cause some issues but mostly in combination with substances like say 2ce as it's mode of action is primarily 5HTP but it's also got antihistamine properties and also gives you the hungers.

Etoh can help but fuck I've drunk 1 litre of vodka while high with minimal effect and smoked 3 grams of weed and nothing except eventually a fucking awful headache and slumber around 8pm the next night, maybe all the sex with some random chick I picked up that night contributed as well, good looking, great in bed but total head case as I later found out (seem to pull the crazy ones). No stim dick that night/day I assure you although if the weed and Etoh helped or I was just fucking horny and high I have no clue!

My advice is do as little as possible (meth) and hopefully you will sleep say at 3-4 am the next day with some grog on board and a shag. Otherwise benzo's/mirtazapine and whatever others have suggested will help but if you get the good shit 2 mg of xanax is just going to make you feel like your heart won't explode in your chest and that's of just 40-50 mg of the good shit. It's like I posted that meth a few months back I needed xanax just to not have a heart attack let alone sleep. I had 100 mg of pure alprazolam handy and I'd only get 1-2 points of that crazy gear at a time and use 2-6 mg alprazolam just to handle 50 mg of that bad boy 10 mg or more for sleep. The alprazolam was that pure I took 6 mg by itself and passed out for 6 hours.

 

[mork]

....,Seroquel and Olanzapine give you the munchies as well....

lovepsycho is on the money here - I've been on olanzapine for 12 months now and have gained 14kgs in the process....the price you pay for mental stability. serequel is just as bad but that shit makes you feel one step behind your body - fucked up feeling!

there is a new antipsychotic recently introduced called asenapine - looks promising as has little drowsiness, very little weight gain but need morning and night dosage - I'm going to explore this next week with my pdoc