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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Methadone clinic and benzos

jake99 said:
yeah but when he asked me before if i used any drugs i told him no , so now he will know that i was lying and think it was to get the klonopin to get high .................
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Staying on the programme means either giving up benzos or accepting that your doctor is going to find out about your opiate use. You don't have to be the one to tell him and it may even be better if you let the clinic be the ones to reveal that.

Your dilemma at the moment is that the clinic doesn't know about the benzos and your doctor doesn't know about the opiates. Neither knows the full picture so neither can take it into account.

The clinic may or may not be willing to allow you to continue the benzos in which case you'll have to make a choice about staying on the programme. Your doctor may or may not be willing to manage your opiate problem in which case you may also need to make a choice about whether to seek another physician. But you're not going to find someone who can help you manage both problems unless you inform them about both problems.
 
i may just fail my urines at the clinic and have them drop me fast and get off the methadone................what if my dr. says "oh you lied to me your cut off" ................well i did just get a new script so i guess i could always wean off benzos wih the 90 i have , but then agan i have to see the Dr. at the clinic and i dont even know if he will be ok with me takin the benzos at all.............so unless i wanna have to keep findin urine with just methadone in them every day since they test randomly , i dont know ............its my stupid fault but at time it seemed like a better option to get on clinic then to stay on dope .
and its kept me off dope this whole week
 
Didn't you say 60mg held you and had you nodding all day. May be a good idea to jump off the meth if your chasing the nod from it. Besides the fact that its free, how is it any different than using dope. Not to mention all the anxiety worrying about getting caught by two different Drs that it's causing. IDk how your going to avoid getting popped if you need someone elses piss everday. Maybe you can find a clinic that allows perscribed benzos, I now they are out there. You may feel like taking higher doses of the done cause your stressing over these issues. Probably wouldn't be hard to find a new Dr to help you taper off the kpins. Their atittude changes when you go in asking for help getting off them and starting over being honest with a new Dr will ulimately help you much more. Just be careful you don't get cut of from both, before you make some changes.Depending on your dose, 90 may not be enough to taper with. Good luck
 
K'd-OUT-in-AZ said:
Actually, no they can't differentiate clonazepam from alprazolam. They can't differentiate certain benzodiazepines. Not with benzos, yes with opiates, but not benzos. Forgot where I read that.
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Sure they can, not on a 10 panel drug test or a blood test, but if they researched it in a lab... theyre brocken down ino different metabolites... surely no???
 
phatass said:
Sure they can, not on a 10 panel drug test or a blood test, but if they researched it in a lab... theyre brocken down ino different metabolites... surely no???
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I'm pretty sure that some benzos produce active metabolites and that others don't, so yeah it would be possible if you were really that interested and testing within the time frame for detection of those metabolites.
 
I've never heard of a clinic that doesn't admit patients into the program who are legitimately prescribed a benzo. Then again, I'm in Canada, we do things a little differently up here. We don't have weekly group therapy/counseling sessions (we have a 1 on 1 session which is much more comfortable for me as I feel I can open up about certain things better than if I was in a group). Also, I've seen my urine test results many times since starting the program and have been told by multiple doctors and social workers at the clinic that they don't test for specific benzos or opioids/opiates (but they technically could if they really wanted to but they'd have to send the samples to a lab as they don't have the equipment to test for specific drugs in the aforementioned classes). When I look at my urine test result I see five rows: EDDP, Amphetamines, Benzodiazepines, Cocaine and Narcotics. I might have forgotten one.
 
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jake99 said:
what does that mean
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Well i found this on wiki "diazepam and chlordiazepoxide, which are metabolised into desmethyldiazepam. Desmethyldiazepam has a half-life of 36–200 hours, and flurazepam, with the main active metabolite of desalkylflurazepam"

meaning, when processed through the liver and kidneys different benzos are transformed into what are called metabolites, which is what actually causses the effects of the benzo (i think), so if they did an analysis they could distinguish which benzo you've taken from the metabolite it's brocken down to in your bloodstream... however drug panels will not differentiate benzos, maybe the sophisticated ones wwill differentiate hypnotics from anxiolytics coz they act on different GABA receptors, i'm not sure
 
well i have 5 xanax bar, im going to stop the klonopin for a few days and take a little xanax ,that wy since i have so much klonopin built up in my system , hopefully i can lower the level of it , and i havent taken xanax in awhile so that wont stay in there long.............im hoping by the time i get a urine i can get my metabolite levels way lower then have chance of passing........
 
got 30 50 mg tramadol too so they could help withdrawals in case i end up havin to go off , right ?
 
Yea they will help, but how much idk......methadone is pretty potent stuff. Remember the max recommended dose for tram is 400mg in a 24 hour period, or you may risk having a seizure. But I am not very experienced with tram so maybe others could chime in how much further you could go than 400mg if needed....
 
phatass said:
Well i found this on wiki "diazepam and chlordiazepoxide, which are metabolised into desmethyldiazepam. Desmethyldiazepam has a half-life of 36–200 hours, and flurazepam, with the main active metabolite of desalkylflurazepam"

meaning, when processed through the liver and kidneys different benzos are transformed into what are called metabolites, which is what actually causses the effects of the benzo (i think), so if they did an analysis they could distinguish which benzo you've taken from the metabolite it's brocken down to in your bloodstream... however drug panels will not differentiate benzos, maybe the sophisticated ones wwill differentiate hypnotics from anxiolytics coz they act on different GABA receptors, i'm not sure
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Actually they work on the same GABA receptor, they just act on different subunits.
 
At the clinic I attended I NEVER EVER saw my doctor. They didn't care either if benzodiazepines showed up, they just assumed that I were prescribed it. The nurses handed out the urine tests. There only concern was if THC, opiates or methamphetamine showed up. They also assumed if amphetamine showed up that I was just on medication.

I got two week take-homes because I never tested for those drugs. Urine tests were only given every couple months at the most. They were obviously surprise tests.
 
well at this clinic you sign a paper saying you will not take ANY benzos. but i think the only way arond it is if you are on a real low dose , and yur doc who prescribed them signs a release and mayhave to talk to clinc. my prob is i am on 3 mg klonopin a day which isnt a low dose, plus my dr who gave me the benzos never knew i had on opiate prob .
well at least ill have 60 tramadol in case i got kicked off meth program . only way to get really kicked off is to get caught using someone elses urine............they dont watch u pee but have cameras in the bathrooms that the ppl who are giving out the doses can watch . So who knows , is it better to just give a dirty urine for benzos ad hope try to get off them so i can stay on clinic ? Its gonna take forever tho since i been on them for few months............ihave heard klonopin doesnt come up for some reason , hard to believe though.........anywy for 3 days im just takin xanax instead to try to get some of the klonopin outta my system . hoping if they take me up to 80 mg meth i wont need benzos as much and in a week or 2 i can get most ofthe klonopin outta my system
 
So if i stop the k Pin for a few days but take zannies (i havent taken zans in a while) that will get my k pin level down and hopfully i wont get another test for awile (got one today) and ill be good if from now on i only take k pin when i really need it at low doses.......................?????????????/
 
Jake, okay here's the choice as I see them:

1. Stop taking ANY benzos, tough it out. You probably won't get tested, but if you do you can tell them you are detoxing, etc.
2. Keep taking benzos and pray that for some insane reason you get by/don't get tested/klonopin doesn't show up (lol)
3. Cheat with other people's piss, and have a pretty good chance to get caught and kicked out.
4. Call your regular doctor, or go see him/her, and tell him the deal. Hopefully the doc can work out something with the clinic, or at least taper you off. IF you're going to stop anyway, this isn't a bad idea. He can't call the clinic and rat on you unless you let him (legally).

BTW, if you believe klonopin might not show up (again, lol), what the hell are you doing taking xanax? In my (unprofessional) opinion, that's pretty much the worst thing you can do. If they test you tomorrow, you are fucked. Not that you wouldn't be anyway, just saying you seem so desperate that you are even betraying your own logic.

Basically, unless you cop to the truth IN SOME WAY or another, you're going to be living in anxiety EVERY DAY worrying about piss tests, lying, and generally still being kinda scummy. I don't mean that offensively, just you gotta learn to be good to your word. Drugs make the best of us have unhealthy behaviors. IMO you need to play by their rules.

TL;DR: Stop taking benzos, they are making you a nervous paranoid wreck (cause of the possible testing) and generally keeping you in addict conning/manipulating behavior. If you continue using benzos and trying to skirt the system, you WILL get caught eventually.

BTW, you got tested today and passed?
 
jake99 said:
So if i stop the k Pin for a few days but take zannies (i havent taken zans in a while) that will get my k pin level down and hopfully i wont get another test for awile (got one today) and ill be good if from now on i only take k pin when i really need it at low doses.......................?????????????/
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No there is a very strong cross-tolerance between all benzos especially if theyre both anxiolytics... so it will not bring your tolerance down... if anything ou'll end up taking more coz xanax lasts way less long
 
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