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  • BDD Moderators: Keif’ Richards | negrogesic

Methadone clinic and benzos

Well this thread was not supposed to be an argument about what causes the best nod. My friend ended up in hospita almost dying by taking 85 mg methadone and 12 xanax bars over course of 2 days......................
Anyway i took 50 mg methadone today and about 5 klonopin and nodded a little but im sure if i had taken 5 mg of xanax i would have been noddin WAY harder...........but i also am used to klonopin since i take it every day . im sure if i took xanax every day it wouldnt hit me as hard
ANyway is it possible that some benzo tests come up positive for xanax and not klonopin ? my friend swears at his clinc tha klonopin doesnt show up. i have read somehing when i googled it about how klonopin metabolizes different than most benzos sso maybe its possible.................??????????????
 
Not on methadone, but my 2 cents... Klonopin and xanax are supposed to be equal (more or lesss), but I'm on about 10 mgs of k-pin right now and I'm just chilled way the fuck out. that much xanax and i'd be unconsious.
 
This is just my honest opinion, but Methadone is a complete nightmare. Unless you plan on staying on it forever......don't even start it. I was on 110mg daily for 2 1/2 years and when it came time to get off of it, I thought I was going to die. Imagine your very worst withdrawl from oxy or heroin and times that by like 100 and it's goes on for days. The first few days without it, you can shoot dope and still be sick. Your way better off with suboxone.
 
^ Did you jump out at 110mg? No wonder it was a nightmare. I'm on 10mg and plan on tapering very slowly when I want to stop.
 
Since I started the methadone program, my methadone doctor has told me methadone + xanax have a synergistic effect (that according to him only seems to happen with methadone + xanax) that causes people who are tolerant to both drugs to nod.
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He either lied to you or he's doctor for nothing as alprazolam is in no way superior to other benzodiazepines similar in potency to it in causing synergy and bringing up euphoria. His statement is simply stupid from the pharmacological point of view.
 
adder said:
He either lied to you or he's doctor for nothing as alprazolam is in no way superior to other benzodiazepines similar in potency to it in causing synergy and bringing up euphoria. His statement is simply stupid from the pharmacological point of view.
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When my doctor spoke about Alprazolam being mixed with Methadone, he explained that mixing these 2 drugs causes profound sedation. I was skeptical.

Upon trying a benzodiazepine similar in potency (Clonazepam) - and by the way I doubled the dosage from 1mg to 2mg - I felt relaxed but in no way as sedated as when mixing Alprazolam with Methadone.

Read some of the other posts in this thread. There are at least a couple of people on here who've stated that on a mg per mg basis, on Clonazepam they feel "chilled" or "relaxed" but if they were to take the same dosage of Alprazolam, they'd be KO'd.

I'm sure there's other very sedating benzos out there, but we never brought those up in our discussion (between me and my doc). We spoke about benzos which are prescribed for Panic Disorder. He simply said that Alprazolam + Methadone can knock you the fuck out quite easier than say (and he did use the word synergistic), Clonazepam + Methadone and guess what? From first hand experience (me being the guinea pig), he was right.

Now, back to the original topic of this thread:

It is my unprofessional junkie opinion that the clinic you are mentioning which has a problem with Xanax but not Clonazepam; may have this problem because Clonazepam + Methadone will NOT cause the type of sedation on a mg per mg basis (Clonazepam is supposed to be the same strength on a mg per mg basis as Alprazolam) that Alprazolam + Methadone causes. This clinic might have seen many of its patients who mixed Methadone with Xanax passing out (and some of them possibly died). I wouldn't be surprised after trying the combo for many months now. As far as Clonazepam goes, I just got back from the methadone clinic (where I dose with 240mg of 'Done) and instead of taking my usual 0.5mg of Xanax this morning, I've taken 1mg of Clonazepam. Again, I don't feel nearly as sedated as I feel when I take Alprazolam instead. You don't wanna believe me? Try the combo(s).
 
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^ I didn't notice that when I had a connection for Xanax, but they were the 0.25mg ones, so maybe I didn't take enough of them to notice any stronger synergy with the methadone.
 
so back to the question why would xanax show up the clinics test but not klonopin
 
The only reasoning I can think of is written in my previous post. I can't think of another reason they'd have a specific test for Alprazolam. There's other benzos out there possibly more recreational for some people and possibly more sedating (Rohypnol comes to mind but I've never tried it). My clinic tests for each class of drugs in patient urine tests (opioids, benzos, etc) but not specific drugs within each class.
 
adder said:
He either lied to you or he's doctor for nothing as alprazolam is in no way superior to other benzodiazepines similar in potency to it in causing synergy and bringing up euphoria. His statement is simply stupid from the pharmacological point of view.
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The clinic's going to be taking into account which particular benzos show up most often in both fatal and non-fatal overdoses too. I wouldn't be surprised if Xanax shows up quite frequently because it's the benzo of choice for a lot of people.

From a pure liability viewpoint it's a whole lot easier to justify combinations which feature in overdoses less frequently or to simply not accept patients who take such combinations. Malpractice lawsuits are expensive to defend even if you prevail and insurers like as little exposure to the possibility of litigation as possible. And health care providers like their liability premiums low.
 
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so maybe they dont test for klonopin
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Everything reliable source I've come across on Google says that klonopin shows up on a benzo screen. Bear in mind that there can be a lot of reasons why it may have been below detectable levels when a given person was tested.

Different benzos will fall below detectable levels at different rates due to their different half lives. That means that the size of the last dose and when it was taken is also an important factor in determining when it will become undetectable. If you and I both take klonopin on the same day but you take four times the dose I do and neither of us takes any more, assuming all other things are equal and that we metabolise it at exactly the same rate my levels will become undetectable before yours do.

It's possible that people on Xanax risk taking it closer to testing than people on other benzo because of its short half life.
 
some ppl on clinics say theyve taken klonopin for years and it has never come up . im either goin off it or askin my counselor if i can get permission because i hate relying on others for piss
 
i think you're friend who i presume is taking clonazepam and methadone is just lucky... they probably saw he was on clonaz and just turned a blind eye.... they can, but won't differentiate clonazepam from alprazolam...

my advice... get on the program... keep taking your clonazepam if you really need it... and if they test you, and you show positive and they say they will kick you out, then it's up to you to choose between the benzo or the methadone
 
Yeah but i have been taking it for months now so it must be built up in my system plus in order to get on clinic i had to give them pee with just opiates in it , so if i gave one dirty one they would think i relapsed once.......................and only way anyone on that clinic is on a benzo is if the dr's clinic talks to your dr. who gives the benzos.........but i never told that dr. that i had an opiate problem
 
yeah but when he asked me before if i used any drugs i told him no , so now he will know that i was lying and think it was to get the klonopin to get high .................
 
How long have you known your doc for? don't you hink he/she will appreciate the honesty, even if you did lie before... apologise, explain your situation, the vast majority of doctors are really here to help you... if you trust your doc, tell the truth... it's up to you, it could fuck things up, but i think the odds are on your side if you're honest, and you can start to make progress in detoxing from opiates (emphasise that to your doctor) tell him/her that you want to reform your lifestyle, if thats indeed the truth, which i believe because you haave no motive to lie here on BL
 
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