Stimulants Meth purity in the US over time, what's your experience? (Poll)

[howieG7488]

I don't know where tour from, or live, but here in CA. The dope sux. It has for quite awhile, excluding the old school biker shit that surfaces once in a great whole, its very sad out here, lucky u you got good stuff.

 

[Psychlone Jack]

So, I just got out of prison for a manufacturing charge in March of this year, went in April 2016. One pot condensed ammonia via pseudo, the two batches tested in my case came back 94 and 95 quality on the gc/ms... Obviously, it doesn't get much more pure than that.

Not tooting my own horn, it was a stupid fucking thing that cost me a big chunk of life, but I share that to say this: I dabbled a bit (read: relapsed) a couple months after I came home, and the potency and duration were among the most intense I'd ever had. What's more, the price was so cheap, I honestly can't see how ANYONE made money selling it...

But it wasn't the same. The shit was so caustic, so utterly destructive to every system from the moment of introduction to the body, it was impossible to sustain. Side effects presented almost immediately after the rush subsided, to the point that nothing about the experience was enjoyable, which of course did nothing to negate the compulsion to redose. After twelve hours I felt/looked like a hospice patient, after 24 I was praying for death like one, too.

The old stuff wasn't like that. I could bust a gram down 10 ways and make sure no one blinked til the sun came up, or slam the whole thing myself, wig out for half an hour, then embark on a twelve day journey (redosing, of course) before eventually crashing. Not safe, smart, or in hindsight particularly even enjoyed, but the point is the potency was there without anywhere near the rapidly presenting toxicity you get with today's shit. Add to that it's a crap shoot from crystal to crystal, one might send you to the psych ward, one might be totally bunk, and one might send you to the grave thanks to the fent that had no business in there in the first place...

Yeah, I'm good. I'm no better than anyone else and I still enjoy the occasional escapade, but not when the price of admission is poisoning myself and being aware of it the entire time.

Stay safe, or a much as possible out there, y'all.

 

[AlsoTapered]

How was GC-MS used to produce a precise purity figure?

 

[Psychlone Jack]

How was GC-MS used to produce a precise purity figure?

Purity isn't what was on there. Above the graph, at the top of each printout it simply stated that each was a match for methamphetamine hcl, and below that was a quality rating, one of 94, the other 95. How they reached those figures I have no idea, I just made the stuff lol.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Purity isn't what was on there. Above the graph, at the top of each printout it simply stated that each was a match for methamphetamine hcl, and below that was a quality rating, one of 94, the other 95. How they reached those figures I have no idea, I just made the stuff lol.

Ah - it IS possible to use GC-MS but it's a new technique and likely not suited to situations in which impurities would share similar physical properties.

I would have immediately pointed out that 94-95% doesn't identify a compound 'beyond reasonable doubt' as their are some legal compounds that would show such a level of similarity... but if you were making meth then they would simply have used techniques that DID identify it beyond reasonable doubt AND likely draw a longer sentence for annoying the judge.

 

[Psychlone Jack]

Ah - it IS possible to use GC-MS but it's a new technique and likely not suited to situations in which impurities would share similar physical properties.

I would have immediately pointed out that 94-95% doesn't identify a compound 'beyond reasonable doubt' as their are some legal compounds that would show such a level of similarity... but if you were making meth then they would simply have used techniques that DID identify it beyond reasonable doubt AND likely draw a longer sentence for annoying the judge.

True. I only had one thing going for me in the case, possibly calling into question chain of evidence or constructive possession, and even then best case scenario would have been me going in for 2 to 3 on precursor chemicals, but my co-defendant was one of those go to jail, find Jesus, then tell on everybody types. Turned state's evidence, and by the time I was signing my plea for 7 to 9 years (at trial I was facing 23 to 27 years) he was walking out the door from his one year. While I was incarcerated, he went on to do the same thing two more times - both parts, the getting busted cooking part, and the snitching part.

He has nothing to worry about from me. If I saw him on the street today, I might punch him in the face, kick him a couple times and spit on him, but I'd leave it at that. Everyone else he ratted out... well, I know for a fact some of them aren't nearly so forgiving.

 

[AlsoTapered]

He has nothing to worry about from me. If I saw him on the street today, I might punch him in the face, kick him a couple times and spit on him, but I'd leave it at that. Everyone else he ratted out... well, I know for a fact some of them aren't nearly so forgiving.

Karma can often turn up in the strangest of ways.

 

[Pickledlemons]

I live in Ontario Canada and my personal experience with methamphetamine is that it has become much cleaner and more potent than it has ever been say compared to 3 years ago. The cost is still $ per point or 100 mg which has not changed since I started using it years ago.

Yeah thats how much I paid as a kid, now its like 30% of the price it used to be its crazy. I can't believe how cheap its gotten. People don't buy by the point anymore. They buy by the gram or by 8 ball.

I live in BC.

 

[AlsoTapered]

Yeah - UK amphetamine is sold by the gram but is anywhere from 5-50% pure BUT has become stronger over the years. Amphetamine sulfate is hygroscopic so the ORIGINAL reason for cutting was to reduce that issue but I have seen lumps of what proved to be pretty pure AS.

Meth IS for sale, but while amphetamine is a class B drug, methamphetamine is a class A drug so recently I saw three guys get about 7 years each for making amphetamine. Methamphetamine production will get you 10 or more.

 

[polarthedog]

Used ice infrequently since around 2013. Back in the gat It was much stronger I think but also more sides. Maybe around 2016 I started hearing about "sleepy dope" aka N-Iso, chalked it up to these tweakers ( my good friends ) who have been up for literal weeks. I had some experience overseas on the east side of earth, dope was pretty good but not the best and also cost like >price< a point. (hope this is vague enough @mods??) Now what im currently getting in the Southwest seems very weak but the sides arent so severe at all. Back when I was first introduced to ice I think I would stay up for atleast 3 days anytime I used. Now I'm sleeping everynight, can eat (appetite previously was non existant / could barely force myself to eat fruit) I voted other, anyone else feel this way? I'm pretty sure that currently they get better but more expensive shit back east (in TX/ the south)

Well, I’m in Tx, and the description of dextro meth fits what I’ve been getting. Every time I use I stay up for about 24 hours then force my stomach sleep with sleeping meds. I jack off multiple times during that period, my sex drive goes through the roof, and I don’t get a huge amount of side effects. Though I use for less than 24 hours at a time, then don’t use for weeks. I use less than 100 mg per 24 hours. Though I only started using a decade ago, so I can’t say if it’s gotten better/worse over the years

I probably pay about $$ a gram

 

[welyas99]

By all accounts according to the DEA meth has become increasingly more pure in the last 10 years in the US according to seizure analysis. However, this is a bit contradictory to both my experience and almost all of the anecdotal experiences I've seen from others on BL and elsewhere. I am curious what causes this disparity or what is going on.

Cartels have switched back to using the p2p method of synthesis (aka "biker meth"), which is notorious for impurities namely in the creation of large amounts of L-methamphetamine. This can, however, be removed from the product but this can only be done by advanced methods and equipment which is not something a smaller level chemist might do.

I think it's important to distinguish between what the DEA is seizing/testing, and what the end users are smoking, what the low level dealer is selling.

I am particularly looking for opinions from people who have used meth both in the past and recently. It would also be relevant to share what part of the country you are from.

If you are from Canada or Mexico your answer might be relevant as well, but I'm most interested in the US.

Started recently again as my preferred NPS are harder to obtain, and off Dextroamphetamine for refusing a UA from my doctor.

In my experience extending back to 1999-2002 or so with a hiatus between. Todays is much, much more underwhelming then the good ol' pseudo/ bath tub variety. I remember staying up a couple days from a small vape sesh. These days I have yet to stay awake more than 24 hours with steady use. It's also hard to believe how inexpensive it is to purchase.

Todays crystals would have looked liked perfection in 2000. I guess the plug I had who carried that homemade, shake 'n bake, greasy peanut butter crank was alright

 

[moonyham]

It's so interesting reading this thread. I'm in new Zealand and our meth has been going through the same shit, heaps of weird stuff that either gives you a weird high with lots of negative effects or doesn't keep you up, needs constant redosing you name it.

Ive only had one good high off meth. Not that I'm a regular user, havnt touched it in a year or two and only used maybe 2-3g in my whole life. But about 5 years ago this dude showed up at my friends house and his stuff was absolute fire. One hit on his pipe got me more high than 10 hits of anything else I've ever done.

The biggest giveaway ive consumed bullshit meth is I'm not horny. If it's real, I will fuck so much and so hard and just be a total deviant. That and real shit keeps me up for 2 days.

 

[drekel]

I am interested in the results. I never used or liked amphetamines , for a long time I would not do them at all. But I've always known about it to a degree from the streets and seeing users and hearing wnats going on around my city. It seems like in the last few years, people would go buy a $ and be ok with 0.3g, and now a G only goes like $ if that. The most I could pay for a g rite now (only counting people I take serious not the delusional tweakers) would be like $. And that's because it's apparently grade a++ for real, the supplier pretty much saying if you have this over other ppl selling atm, they'll def make that effort to make $ to buy from you.
Went from like 4 Gs for average to sometimes even over $g for quality.

Cant confirm any of this 100% , just anecdotal from what I've seen being in the drug scene - but I also usually mind my own business. But it does seem to add up. Last time I was around a transaction the dude was late to dropping it off - said "just give me $xx", which was like half the original price, and the 7g sack would up having 13. You'd never see this type of shit in an opiate deal

 

[AlsoTapered]

It's worth noting that precursor choice, price and availability have resulted in the US product seemingly vacillating between d-methamphetamine and raecemic methamphetamine. Some prefer the raecemate, some prefer the enantiopure product.

I have yet to see any signs if L-PAC being used as a precursor (it's now the most widely used precursor to pseudoephedrine) because if one uses catalytic hydrogenation, it's possible to go directly from L-PAC to amphetamine or methamphetamine. BUT I don't think catalytic hydrogenation is widely used. It's by far the most efficient route but requires investment and a REAL chemist.

 

[Bonediver]

I admit I have not taken the time to read all the comments. To answer the question, one must first understand the question. I do not believe the OP fully understands their question.
PURITY and POTENCY are not interchangeable. This is very true with amphetamine considering the isomeric properties

 

[Juicewrldfan]

So I haven’t had street meth in three years but I did get some glass back then and shit was so fire I literally was freaking out driving so I parked my car and thought I looked suspicious so decided I start walking a little like I was going on a little walk at 3am yeah that’s normal.

Anyway, sobered up hours later, couldn’t find my car.

I didn’t find it ever. The police found it a year later and they found it on the opposite side of town my wife picked me up on.

In other words I walked to the opposite side of the capital of Ohio and didn’t realize it I was so high.

That report to the insurance company was fun. I lied at first and said I was drunk but they could tell and were brining in their fraud team so I can clean and told them exactly what happened and they approved my claim lol. Who knew telling them I did meth would clear that up?

 

[chippermonk]

I've only ever tried essentially pure (S) methamphetamine. A Dutch friend made it legitimately as part of his post-graduate studies. He was only allowed to produce a tiny amount but I found you only NEED a tiny amount.

50mg and we were Running around Amsterdam convinced we were being chased.

I don't see what the attraction is.

Dexamphetamine is actually vastly different to (S) methamphetamine right down to how it's transported into the brain. I don't 'get' methamphetamine. It seems so hugely destructive and appears to rapidly produce stimulant psychosis. My friend ended up back in a psychiatric unit after using meth every 8 hours for 12 days.

He was a lovely guy but he truly believed even my girlfriend and myself were part of a huge conspiracy. He had no money so I gave him a bicycle, I bought him food, I even paid his rent one month. But he openly stated that we were still part of a conspiracy, but we were sent to ensure nobody saw that it WAS a conspiracy.

He's dead. I miss him a lot.

Yeah, I think 50 mg would have me running all over the place! Sad story. Some people have underlying issues that get exacerbated by drugs, though nobody's brain benefits from days on end awake and drugged.
I couldn't really say that i have enough experience to comment very well but I've been playing around the last couple months with a couple points of meth that I acquired. I've been limiting myself to about 10 or 15 mg, taken orally early in the morning (so I can sleep: I am super sensitive to not being able to sleep with stims taken later in the day, even dexedrine or coffee and I hate bad sleep). I don't do it more than once or twice every couple weeks. It's been quite enjoyable at such a small dose, I'm surprised how much I like it. I did a little meth binge back in the 80's that made me think it was shit drug to do, so compulsive to redose, and I felt so damn harsh and pissy and tired when it was over. Terribly unpleasant, so it was easy for me to not do it again for 40 years. This meth high, though, is so much more smooth and seductive at a low dose. Luckily, I have no easy way to get more so I doubt I'll be doing more once this runs out, but I want it! . I can easily see how it would be destructive for me if I started doing more. Anyhow, my memory of the high I got back from that one meth binge in the 80's isn't that clear, but it really didn't seem to be of as good quality as that of today.
This is in contrast to the dexedrine and ritalin I have done, which don't really feel very euphoric or fun, just stimulating. I did used to do what we called mini-whites/crosstops/white crosses back in the 70s which I found intense and euphoric and enjoyable. It couldn't have been meth because it was a much shorter high, but it was quite strong and I was more amped up by them than I am now with this 15mg of meth. I guess maybe they were plain amphetamine (Benzadrine?) I don't get the impression that you can find speed like that in the US anymore, only either meth or the various legal stims. I guess it was the amphetamine you guys get in Europe. I wonder why the US and Europe took different paths in that respect? Shorter duration stimulants seems a little safer and manageable. But, hell, a person can still go off the deep end! The extreme short duration of coke sure doesn't prevent going overboard!

 

[chippermonk]

So I haven’t had street meth in three years but I did get some glass back then and shit was so fire I literally was freaking out driving so I parked my car and thought I looked suspicious so decided I start walking a little like I was going on a little walk at 3am yeah that’s normal.

Anyway, sobered up hours later, couldn’t find my car.

I didn’t find it ever. The police found it a year later and they found it on the opposite side of town my wife picked me up on.

In other words I walked to the opposite side of the capital of Ohio and didn’t realize it I was so high.

That report to the insurance company was fun. I lied at first and said I was drunk but they could tell and were brining in their fraud team so I can clean and told them exactly what happened and they approved my claim lol. Who knew telling them I did meth would clear that up?

Wow! Maybe you should do a Yelp review for your insurance company! Or become a Tweaker Influencer on TikTok

 

[AlsoTapered]

I've only ever knowing tried enantiopure (S)-methamphetamine produced by someone I knew. He produced the raecemate but resolved the dextromethamphetamine using tartaric acid.

In retrospect I realize that one only needs the tiniest amount. It's just too potent. I can see why tablets are becoming common with Yaba turning up in SE Asia and fake medical amphetamine tablets turning up in the US. Fake Captagon (with plain amphetamine in them) tablets have turned up in Europe.

For my money, old school French blues were still the best. OK, only 5mg of dexamphetamine per tablet BUT people will still happily pay £1/tablet for them because it's reliably the drug and dose stated.

I'm actually amazed nobody has gone into producing fake SKFs in Europe. Resolving the dexamphetamine is an extra step BUT free-radical promoters allow a chemist to racemize the unwanted laevoamphetamine so nothing is wasted... and 1 gram makes 200 pills.

 

[FallenOne86]

Yeah so has anyone had any brittle bone problems with todays meth? I'm getting checked out by the doctors soon and hopefully will be able to get them to do a dexascan on my ass even though I'm 37. I was lifting weights 5 times a week functioning just fine but it quickly got to now where I shit you not I struggle to lift weights for even an hour a day I just can't do it. My fucking joints and bones feel like anything I do will cause me to fracture a bone like wtf is with this lame shit that's going around it ain't fucking meth. I mean meth will fuck with your bones for sure but god damn it usually takes time at least it doesn't happen this fucking fast. And the acne too usually used to clear up but everything about this drug fucking sucks now and I'm telling you I know shit has gotten worse don't tell me I need to stop and take a break I fucking did for 6 years I know the difference between good meth and bad meth and this is all bad. I might just end it with a bullet to the dome man cuz if I can't fucking lift weights anymore what the fuck is the point of living? Bodybuilding was what saved me from drugs in the first place. If I ain't got that I am fucked!