Mephedrone Megathread XI

[Mailmonkey]

No, just MDMA, and opiates....

I've had times in my life where I've loved MDMA.

And I've had times when I've needed opiates/opioids, whatever they were.

And I've had times, right up till last summer where I've enjoyed opiates "recreationally"...

But to me they aren't "recreational", recreation means fun to me....opiates, the ones I've used anyway, are more boredom killers than fun or recreation.

Oh yeah, and I've probably dissed MDPV, but I always diss that. But if a g of that landed in my lap now I'd have the foil out and a tooter made in minutes. Shit drug. Compulsive, but shit.

Anyway, I'm a mod now, and this board is about harm reduction... a lot of people have mentioned they find BL a trigger for drug use, so I reckon I should diss them as much as possible in the name of HR.

Anyway, this is the mephedrone thread.

I like mephedrone, did I ever tell you that?

he's on a meph comedown most probably, those comedowns reminds me that meph is all you want during them, MOAR MOAR MOAR meph

there's no such thing as a mephedrone comedown, just a warm all-enveloping afterglow and feeling of well being.

 

[ColtDan]

MDMA losts of fun, i find opiates quite wank, although nice if mixed right with booze and benzos and coffee or whatever, nodding gets annoying

decent meph is the tits, i used to wanna share it to everybody i could find, giving out free lines so they could experience the amazing-ness

 

[Mugz]

decent meph is the tits, i used to wanna share it to everybody i could find, giving out free lines so they could experience the amazing-ness

That's how it started with me too :D then I ended up with the cheapest site on the web to share the meph love, then I saw the dark side of it, but I love it again now it's not a daily ritual.

 

[FlippingTop]

Even though it has only been small doses at a time? Its not like its been a 1g binge every 3 days.

What do you suggest I do to make the most of Saturday? Bring some meph along and use if you're right and the MD doesn't work?

Have enough MD about to counter the cross tolerance if it is that much of an issue, fuck it bump some meph after the MD peaks. (awesome HR I know)



2g in 2 weeks is reasonably high, dose amounts mean very little. In fact dosing low and repeatedly will probably do more to your tolerance that a few big ones.

 

[ColtDan]

remember the first time i got a come down off it i felt so fatigued, body felt like lead, was like having the flu or some shit so lethargic. was doing it once a week fine until i did it 2 nights in a row, rough as shite, every time id drink id want the stuff, took ages to lose the grip, fucking side effects blue hands, heart palps, feeling fucked for days but solidering on through work, felt emotionally raped, surprised i never got any zaps off it. 2009, starting to feel like quite a long time ago

 

[Mailmonkey]

meph never gives me zaps, only mixed with M1.

 

[Mugz]

I want some meph before bed

 

[Mailmonkey]

don't be silly.

I'm off to bed.

N'night

 

[Mugz]

nnight

 

[swedger77]

remember the first time i got a come down off it i felt so fatigued, body felt like lead, was like having the flu or some shit so lethargic. was doing it once a week fine until i did it 2 nights in a row, rough as shite, every time id drink id want the stuff, took ages to lose the grip, fucking side effects blue hands, heart palps, feeling fucked for days but solidering on through work, felt emotionally raped, surprised i never got any zaps off it. 2009, starting to feel like quite a long time ago

This is the sort of shit that the whole of ED needs to read.....horrendous comedown but yet soldiering on. The yoofs over in ED expect to have no comedown then piss their pants and suffer anxiety for months. Getting a grip of yourself is all that's needed for horrendous comedown. Dig deep and march on!

 

[JohnnyVodka]

What sort of meph use are you talking? Do you think about 2gs in 2 weeks is likely to have much effect on taking MDMA in a couple of nights?

I did probably 1g of meph every weekend for 2.5 years.

 

[YaniCZka]

I did probably 1g of meph every weekend for 2.5 years.

have you developed any health issues? especially heart related? thanks.

i have been using meph since early 2009 and it is still the best drug for me ever
but i keep it only for parties once max twice per month, always oral and never went over 1g in one night. nowdays (to save material) i mix it with 4-mec and it works quite well. also great with methylone, but feels harder on body a bit.

also, is anybody still using 2009 stuff? i do and so far it works well, have not noticed degradation (stored in freezer/fridge, just in plastic bags and big glass jar).

 

[Mailmonkey]

have you developed any health issues? especially heart related? thanks.

i have been using meph since early 2009 and it is still the best drug for me ever
but i keep it only for parties once max twice per month, always oral and never went over 1g in one night. nowdays (to save material) i mix it with 4-mec and it works quite well. also great with methylone, but feels harder on body a bit.

also, is anybody still using 2009 stuff? i do and so far it works well, have not noticed degradation (stored in freezer/fridge, just in plastic bags and big glass jar).

right confessional,I do about 5 g'sa week, and have done for over 3, nearly 4 years, sometimes 7g's...me missis a bit less. o bviously the first yearor two weren't such big doses

I have no doubt that this sort of use is not to be recommended

Still the best drug for me, and me missis , by far...

previously we used speed for a few years, then coke...

Meph beats both, for different reasons.

I don't know if I have any heart issues, my BP and HR are remarkably healthy for my age apparently, and I had a couple of ECGs that found no issues...so I don't think I have any issues

well jealous of your 2009 stash, i thought i did well having some till mid 2011

 

[FlippingTop]

I used some preban stuff not that long ago and it was as expected.

It was no better than meph I have been able to get recently though (squares if anyone is interested), IF i had to choose one the newer squares I can get were better than this preban stuff.

4-mmc is heading towards 'tan mdpv', rose tinted glasses and all.


MM how do you space your 5g's?

 

[Mailmonkey]

I used some preban stuff not that long ago and it was as expected.

It was no better than meph I have been able to get recently though (squares if anyone is interested), IF i had to choose one the newer squares I can get were better than this preban stuff.

4-mmc is heading towards 'tan mdpv', rose tinted glasses and all.

excellent points. I remember being absolutley fucking gobsmacked when I first tried meph, the most amazing thing. Same with acid, E, coke, everything, and its never the same again, or it is, but only rarely. Your tan mdpv/rose tinted specs comparison is spot on.

I agee that the meph about now is as good as "preban", slight differences between batches...it's interesting, i wasn't so keen on the squares, they worked, but not as good imo. I preferred the rectangles...although I've got some quite fine shards nowthat look like the "Indian" meph that was about last year...but smell like the squares and rectangles, a bit tcp/bleachy..

And again, I agree, I prefer all the newer stuff since preban, more speedy,but still wears off nice and fast,very compulsive though...

How do I space my 5g's...hmmm, Sat night s are a heavy session, then a few times in the week just a tickle, or sometimes a sat night session if it's been particularly good fun extends into a 2 or 3 night binge (with sleep, and food and responsibilities taken care of during the meph free daylight hours) but thenits gonna be a 7g week.

Put it this way, I had a tolerance break recently, 4 days, my longest break in ages.

I like to think I've got a handle on it, but I probably haven't, and then I look at my life, and between the drugs and debauchery I don't make a bad job of things.

EDIT>>>>Anyway its pretty much worn off now so time for n'nights %)

 

[FlippingTop]

And again, I agree, I prefer all the newer stuff since preban, more speedy,but still wears off nice and fast,very compulsive though...

I am glad you said that also MM because I was going to make this point before too. The compulsion is probably due to it being (ratio wise) a greater releaser of dopamine and what not for yourself.

Mephedrone is rather like a cocaine, speed and MDMA all rolled into one; it dumps everything out at high amounts. Newer stuff is probably more speedy to you (and anyone else that takes MDMA/Meph) due to down regulation of serotonin receptors. Everything obviously takes a hit but these are the slowest to recover.

is a nice graph for showing exactly (well in rats at least) how they compare. The gradual decrease it he peak for MDMA is pretty cool :D

A line of meph to the face of someone that is drug naive will feel totally different to you or me because we have these fucking receptors in check

Obviously you cannot just compare straight serotonin and dopamine release to explain a drugs profile.

Meph does have a rather excellent quality of being a serotonin dumper that does not leave you with suicide Tuesdays like MDMA.



I also believe that meph is a lot more pure now than it was in the year(s) following the ban.

Anyone that had pure 4-mmc and was selling drugs knew to cut it down after the ban to maximise profits. Mixing it with these other shitty cathinones that were in abundance at the time would have made sence.

3/4-fmc 4-bmc 4-mec and all the rest will have sold well just after meph was banned, and they would have been about and therefor used as cuts / sold as meph.

nowadays this is not the case, finding a pure 3-fmc online is probably harder than getting your hands on 4-mmc. Meph is no harder to synth than the rest so suppliers and dealers are sticking with the real thing now.

At least that is my $0.02




...I want some meph now

 

[ruggedmouse]

North East England has been getting some excellent stuff (Y)

 

[kailinu]

Thinking about it, it must be nice, MM, sniffing your finger tips and getting high

 

[Mailmonkey]

is a nice graph for showing exactly (well in rats at least) how they compare. The gradual decrease it he peak for MDMA is pretty cool :D



Meph does have a rather excellent quality of being a serotonin dumper that does not leave you with suicide Tuesdays like MDMA.

Very nice graph, ta for that

And yes, I know I bang on about the meph "afterglow", but theres no nasty meph comedowns, no "suicide tuesday" as you call it....

I know a lot of people jumped onto meph as an E replacement, cos of the E drought at the time, there WAS a slight E feeling to it, but we jumped on it straight away as a coke replacement..the short action dopamine rush....and I see from the graph that dopamine release is higher than amphet too....

 

[Ophidian]

A nice graph to summarize it:

Overall effects of mephedrone (1 and 3 mg·kg−1), MDMA (3 mg·kg−1) and amphetamine (1 mg·kg−1) on DA, and 5-HT levels in the NAcc of awake rats. The columns represent the AUC(0–180 min) values calculated as the differences in relative changes in DA and 5-HT over a 3 h period between the drug- and vehicle-treated groups. One-way anova followed by Newman–Keuls multiple comparison test; drug-treated groups were compared with the vehicle group: mephedrone (3 mg·kg−1) eeP < 0.01, eP < 0.05; MDMA dddP < 0.001; amphetamine aaP < 0.01; mean ± SEM, n= 4.