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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

Walter Sobchak said:
I suffer from a little bad circulation in my hands and feet when cold, does this make meph a massive no no for me?
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If you do use mephedrone keep hydrated and regulaly take fish oil vitamines and arganine. Keep a bottle of poppers handy and you can always eat an asprin to thin your blood
 
^ could you do your best to dig it out for me? I've been to hospital with heart problems years ago from a night on speed, ever since Ive been para about constricted vessels. So I always have poppers on hand. If its a bad idea I'd like to know!
 
sundayraver said:
Ive been doing some reading up and yes there are potential dangers and hazards of doing mephedrone but after all the research Ive done I've reached the conclusion that moderate use of mephedrone isnt as bad as whats being made out. gram for gram it's as toxic as MDMA. The problem comes from the fact you need to take around 5 times more mephedrone as you do MDMA if you want to stay high for the evening.

The heart valve damage is one that concerns me the most, and other 5ht2b agonist drugs that have caused valve problems to users were taken daily for long periods. I would hope to Christ people would have the common sense not to use mephedrone daily for long periods, sadly I know 1 or 2 guys who cain the hell out of it.

I use around a gram a week, excessive to some but I feel (HOPE!) it's not a large enough ammount to do any lasting damage.
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Can you link some references to any sources of this info espcially "gram for gram it's as toxic as MDMA."

Isn't the 5ht2b thing is a bit of a chinese whisper these days? f&b should be proud that his insight is held in such high regard that even the 10foot shitty stick he wouldn't touch 4mmc with is often included verbatim by people nicking his words about 5ht2b interactions and reeling them off all over the internet as if they're an authority on the matter themselves.
 
My hands and feet are quite cold, not see if this is related. I think I do have poor circulation due to anxiety, I don't breath properly. Not sure if this would mean that meph does more damage to me.
 
Ceres said:
Can you link some references to any sources of this info espcially "gram for gram it's as toxic as MDMA."

Isn't the 5ht2b thing is a bit of a chinese whisper these days? f&b should be proud that his insight is held in such high regard that even the 10foot shitty stick he wouldn't touch 4mmc with is often included verbatim by people nicking his words about 5ht2b interactions and reeling them off all over the internet as if they're an authority on the matter themselves.
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So are you suggesting that f&b might not be right and meph might not be so awful afterall?
 
He's suggesting that when it comes to discussing psychopharmacology it's best to leave it to the psychopharmacologists amongst us, I suspect. It's not just f&b that's pretty convinced meph's dodgy as hell - it's all of ADD (as far as I can tell) and pretty much anyone else who isn't a member of the Meph Appreciation Society. And many of those that are too.
 
John Lewis said:
So are you suggesting that f&b might not be right and meph might not be so awful afterall?
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No, of all the people who's thoughts on the matter posting in EADD I'd lend most gravity to, F&B's comes out tops as far as credibility is concerned!

Having read his experience reports and some of the substances he's happily indulged in, the fact he still won't go near 4mmc, speaks volumes I think.
 
Yeah the more I read the more this stuff sounds like utter filth. I'd love to ignore the warnings and carry on but I think I've got to accept this is off limits. It's a shame as I do love it. Worried about my mates who are caining it now
 
There's a lot of people doing meph who come here wanting someone to say, 'It's OK, it'll be fine, no worries.' That ain't gonna happen, unless you listen to someone bubbling love after a week's usage

I don't think there's many left who've been doing it a longish time who aren't worried one way or another. Even occasional users are getting spooked.

I came to this board last week seeking reassurance; it's made me re-evaluate my habit.

So cheers bluelight and your harm reduction strategies!

I'll drop some £ in the pot come the new year, yeah?
 
Shambles said:
He's suggesting that when it comes to discussing psychopharmacology it's best to leave it to the psychopharmacologists amongst us, I suspect. It's not just f&b that's pretty convinced meph's dodgy as hell - it's all of ADD (as far as I can tell) and pretty much anyone else who isn't a member of the Meph Appreciation Society. And many of those that are too.
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From what I have read in ADD, they are just as undecided as us mortals... :)

...and for every member of Meph Appreciation Society (as you put it ;)) there seems to be a member of the anti-meph society. The door swings both ways, but I have to admit that I think it will indeed end up that meph is on the 'bad' side of the door...
 
Linikiez to these ADD folks that are members of the Meph Appreciation Society pleaze :)

And some to those of those mere mortals of the non-Meph Appreciation Society too, ideally :)

PS: Not being sarcy - really would like to see some cos I seem to have missed them.
 
I can't see any evidence for the Meph Appreciation Society other than "it feel good man" lol

And I did the shit like no one's bsns ;).

Hell, even when I was doing 1g+ per day for months I knew the shit was terrible for me.

Hambles said:
He's suggesting that when it comes to discussing psychopharmacology it's best to leave it to the psychopharmacologists amongst us, I suspect.
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You mean pharmacology, not psychopharm, hm =D?
 
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Shambles said:
Linikiez to these ADD folks that are members of the Meph Appreciation Society pleaze :)

And some to those of those mere mortals of the non-Meph Appreciation Society too, ideally :)

PS: Not being sarcy - really would like to see some cos I seem to have missed them.
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If I am understanding your request correctly, then these users aren't convinced meph is as bad as some are making out.., MeDieViL and Operation Atlas. Thought there were one or two others but I think they are people just posting inof rather than an opinion.


On the other hand we have Vektor, for example, who is usually a good poster, and just seems to come across very prejudiced and anti-meph.
 
It makes people stupid as fuck and want to talk endlessly while on it, it's like cocaine plus a lobotomy.
 
Yes, some people in ADD seem to have a giant stick up their ass when it comes to this drug. (Though the same can be said for the other side.)
 
What Evad said.

And I did mean psychopharmacology, Bob. Although pharmacology covers similar ground :)

The ADD folks don't so much have a stick up their jacksy as know of what they speak, I would say.

Zark: My convoluted request was for links to actual ADD posters (or other reputable sources) posting specific information suggesting that meph wasn't harmful. Or even that it was less harmful than everybody else seems to think.
 
Shambles said:
And I did mean psychopharmacology, Bob. Although pharmacology covers similar ground :)
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I thought you were discussin 5ht2b agonism and whatnot ? Guess I was wrong heh :).
The ADD folks don't so much have a stick up their jacksy as know of what they speak, I would say.
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IDK TBH. I've seen posts that seem to espouse a personal vendetta against this chemical.
 
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