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Mephedrone Megathread VI: Anyone Seen My Heartvalves?

John Lewis: The normal scottish concept of moderation and sensible limits might not be the ideal one to take an example from :D<3

captain codshit: I've been indulging tonight after a pretty long break (finally at the point where it's here sitting within reach but I can leave it alone) and it had me acting like a proper firsttimer on pills, eating my face off and talking through clenched teeth withmy eyes rolling about, wasnt a highlight having to chat my gran in that state at 7 in the morning atall.

sub 100mg dose in water and the odd line is all it took aswell, a few weeks ago i could take it all night and barely feel it. I really am done with it at NYE, it'll all be gone by jan1st and I'm not looking back. It's pretty much a year since I first got some, and I think it I started saying I was done with it and never touching it within a couple of months of that, and since lost count of howmany times I've said enoughs enough then bought some again within a week or two now.
I never imagined for a moment that I'd still be doing it a year down the road and so much of it aswell.

I really am going for that smoke I intended to have at 2am last night now, finally =D
 
Jakeperson said:
I'll try again, any experiences with LSD and Meph?
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I tried taking it on shrooms (liberty caps) in order to see if it with the paranoia I get when taking psychedelics. It didn't work for me.

Some people have said the meph at the middle/end of the LSD trip rather than the start - it may not be fun to come down off short-lasting meph in the middle of a long trip.
 
Ceres said:
John Lewis: The normal scottish concept of moderation and sensible limits might not be the ideal one to take an example from :D<3

captain codshit: I've been indulging tonight after a pretty long break (finally at the point where it's here sitting within reach but I can leave it alone) and it had me acting like a proper firsttimer on pills, eating my face off and talking through clenched teeth withmy eyes rolling about, wasnt a highlight having to chat my gran in that state at 7 in the morning atall.

sub 100mg dose in water and the odd line is all it took aswell, a few weeks ago i could take it all night and barely feel it. I really am done with it at NYE, it'll all be gone by jan1st and I'm not looking back. It's pretty much a year since I first got some, and I think it I started saying I was done with it and never touching it within a couple of months of that, and since lost count of howmany times I've said enoughs enough then bought some again within a week or two now.
I never imagined for a moment that I'd still be doing it a year down the road and so much of it aswell.

I really am going for that smoke I intended to have at 2am last night now, finally =D
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What?! 100mg? You lucky bastid! Even when I started I needed 250mg min. Now its 300-500mg in a bomb or 150-300 in a line!!!

Seriously though, I will be stopping on NYE, trust!
 
Im really, really worried now. I didn't realise quite how terrible this stuff was. I did 4g o the stuff in 6 days too!!! 2g of that was in one binge, and my heart was going mental most of that period.

I didn't realise quite how toxic this stuff was, I thought it was maybe just a bit worse than MDMA or about the same. I'm now wondering how much permanent damage I've done to my heart and my brain. I did have some chest pain the other night, I guess that was from this stuff.
 
John Lewis said:
Im really, really worried now. I didn't realise quite how terrible this stuff was. I did 4g o the stuff in 6 days too!!! 2g of that was in one binge, and my heart was going mental most of that period.

I didn't realise quite how toxic this stuff was, I thought it was maybe just a bit worse than MDMA or about the same. I'm now wondering how much permanent damage I've done to my heart and my brain. I did have some chest pain the other night, I guess that was from this stuff.
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Dont worry man it will pass, i was a bit histerical about meph a few days ago as i did a massive overdose of several substances and get way to paranoid.

If your not feeling blue things will be allright!=D
 
captain codshit said:
What?! 100mg? You lucky bastid! Even when I started I needed 250mg min. Now its 300-500mg in a bomb or 150-300 in a line!!!

Seriously though, I will be stopping on NYE, trust!
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I'm pretty sure I've never dosed more than 150mg in one go and 130or so is what usually did it for me I think.

I've not had anymore since this morning and just had a small amount of pv before lunchtime to stop me getting too sleepy and nodding off, waking up at night does my head in at this time of year.

A good break really does let your tolerance drop eventually I guess.
 
It just sounds though like even using this stuff once or twice is goigto fuck us up severely
 
Actually I think I do have a pain in my heart, and even a slightly weird sensation down my left arm which I've heard is related
 
I don't theres a lot of people who use it once or twice and then stop, certainly not a majority anyway. It feels too good to be true at first because of the lack of sideeffects/hard crash as bad as mdma or speed, so it's pretty imposible to resist coming to the conclusion that since it feels comparatively ok compared to mandy/speed etc and has no major comedown, so might aswell order another gram for the weeked etc slippery slopes.
 
^^ John Lewis - its a stim so if your prone to anxiety at all, its gonna give you grief on the come down. try not to worry too much, the weird sensations will pass.

I doubt you've done any lasting damage but let it be a lesson... as we have all learnt - this stuff is devilishly fiendish!
 
Cheers.

The thing is I've always Tried to be careful with MDMA, and would not dream of doing it day after day. But this stuff has had me doing it multiple times in a week and considering continuing...
 
@johnlewis - Given that you have only had relatively small cumulative amounts, I'd say that if you are able to get it under control as of now you won't have done any noticeable long-term damage. At least, relative to the damage done by alcohol, cigarettes, fast food etc. I don't believe you have anything to get too concerned over.

Having said that, the fact that you have taken meph multiple times a week is definitely cause for concern and you need to break that cycle. Once a fortnight should be the absolute maximum, and I would push for less than once a month...

just my 2p
 
I've got those brain zap things I get after I've done MDMA.

The thing with meph is, I know I'm gonna be sooo tempted to do a bit on nye as it will be a huge party. I know I van quit for good after then, but I don't know if I trust myself to not so any then :-/
 
Ive been doing some reading up and yes there are potential dangers and hazards of doing mephedrone but after all the research Ive done I've reached the conclusion that moderate use of mephedrone isnt as bad as whats being made out. gram for gram it's as toxic as MDMA. The problem comes from the fact you need to take around 5 times more mephedrone as you do MDMA if you want to stay high for the evening.

The heart valve damage is one that concerns me the most, and other 5ht2b agonist drugs that have caused valve problems to users were taken daily for long periods. I would hope to Christ people would have the common sense not to use mephedrone daily for long periods, sadly I know 1 or 2 guys who cain the hell out of it.

I use around a gram a week, excessive to some but I feel (HOPE!) it's not a large enough ammount to do any lasting damage.
 
John Lewis: Nobody really knows how much damage the stuff does - may be a lot, may be far less than some of us less enthralled by the stuff suspect. Either way, I would suggest it's those that are using multiple grams on a regular basis that are the ones that should be worried. People who've tried it a few times - even binged a bit - and then decided to quit while there ahead would be extremely unlikely to have done major harm, I'd think.

Reading through some of the stuff on the bad effects of meph can certainly be scary and that fear can easily be translated into psychosomatic problems - every lil ache and pain and oddity suddenly feels like it must be down to meph. I had some ongoing chest and circulation issues after using meph a handful of times (fairly heavily some of those times) but they've gone now. You'll be just fine, I'm sure :)

Sunday: I'm not sure about the gram for gram as toxic as MDMA thing. MDMA ain't very toxic at all as far as I know. In rats it is, but in humans the evidence for toxicity is far less convincing.
 
I suffer from a little bad circulation in my hands and feet when cold, does this make meph a massive no no for me?
 
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Shambles said:
Sunday: I'm not sure about the gram for gram as toxic as MDMA thing. MDMA ain't very toxic at all as far as I know. In rats it is, but in humans the evidence for toxicity is far less convincing.
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I'm going by what I've read, it may be wrong but according to wiki MDMA is also a non selective 5ht2b agonist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5-HT2B_receptor .

Can anyone explain in laymens what non selective means!?
 
I'd humbly suggest meph was a bit of a big no-no for everyone, Walter ;)

My circulation ain't great (too many broken veins after years of IV drug use, no doubt :\) and get quite a lot of dodgy circulatory issues if I use meph. I'm still alive though (but haven't used much meph compared to many either). Up to you but I'd be cautious. If you do decide to use then only get hold of a small amount and take it steady to see how it affects you would be my advice.

Sunday: Had some good linkiez for research papers done on MDMA toxicity in humans and animals and the issues only seemed to arise in animal studies. Lost all my linkiez in the Great PC Meltdown though :\

*awaits F&B to come educate us all*
 
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