Mephedrone Megathread - Second Line

[The Kid]

Spade, has anyone who knows what they are talking about said whether they think meph is more toxic than coke?

 

[MrM]

Massive drug abuse is common with BL'ers, it's just that with Meph suddenly becoming the new, easily available drug everyones trying it out. It'll die down soon enough, not really any more worrying (aside from possible toxicity) than if everyone was caining MDMA or coke or whatever (which they do).

I agreed with some of your citicism of StoneHappyMonday's post, especially this bit;

For the record. The ideal amount in one session is 500-750mg. Any more is fairly pointless save for cheap speedy effects and a bit more anxiety. The euphoria stops at 750mg.

He seems a bit too sure of himself. People wouldn't keep taking more if the euphoria stopped - the whole reason mephedrone is so much more moreish than mdma is the quick drop off then rise when redosing. Maybe we should ask mugabe if he was still feeling at all euphoric half way through his week of fun?

It would be better if the euphoria did end at 750mg. I just don't think it does.

The first time i took mephedrone i took a gram (half more than i intended because of the morishness). Learnt my lesson - only buy half a gram now, although i'd hope i could stop myself at half if i did buy a whole gram now that i have experience with it, i'm just not bothered taking the risk to save a few quid on the next order. I wouldn't have kept taking it beyond 500mg if more didn't keep making me feel high.

I don't agree that mephedrone is just the same as pills or whatever. Firstly it's new, untested (even in terms of a few decades of recreational abusers unofficially testing it which is what pills have at least) and secondly it seems to have a compulsive morishness than even MDMA lacked.

I'm not saying that people aren't themselves responsible for taking too much or that they should blaim the drug - i'm just pointing out it's not fair to say it's on the same level as mdma.

I have never heard of bluelighters or anyone else taking mdma for a week on end in the kind of quantities a few people here have been taking mephedrone. I'm sure it happens but i've not come across so many stories in such a short period of time.

 

[Bella Figura]

Spade, has anyone who knows what they are talking about said whether they think meph is more toxic than coke?

There's a lot pointing towards it being toxic in the ADD thread, F&B also voiced his concerns on the dodgyness of the chem.

 

[TheSpade]

Spade, has anyone who knows what they are talking about said whether they think meph is more toxic than coke?

F&B who tends to be quite knowledgable on these things. Good enough for me. Don't know if he said it's more toxic than coke but he seemed to think it was definitely toxic and was avoiding it.

I have never heard of bluelighters or anyone else taking mdma for a week on end in the kind of quantities a few people here have been taking mephedrone

You are quite right actually. It would be quite difficult to take MDMA for a week on end but folk are definitely managing it with meph. It is scary & stupid, I don't think anyone will argue with that.

Slow down with the meph folks.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

SHM you are so up yourself and full of shit.

As if you've never binged or got a bit carried away with drugs. As if you've never did anything stupid. As if you've never had a bad experience with drugs. Oh but I haven't you claim. You trying to kid yourself or us? 8)

I remember a post from you that 'back in the day' it didn't matter what day of the week it was because the drugs were so good you were partying all the time. You can't party all the time without binging or doing an abundance of drugs, unless you partied sober. Which would obviously be a contradiction.

I have no problem beleiving that when you first started taking E you only needed one. When I first started taking E in 2002 I only needed one E a night as well, and they apparently where shit by then. It was more than enough, I was content. Explain that.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that if something feels good people are going to do lots of it, regardless of how stupid it is or what the consequences are.

And for the record. How can you state that 500-750mg if meph is the 'ideal' amount as if it's fact. It blatently, like any drug, varies from person to person. You claim the euphoria stops at 750mg as if that is absolute fact. Bollocks.

Not disagreeing with you that some people need to show some sense, 10G of anything in one week is stupid and irresponsible but you need to stop acting like the moral authority on drugs.

I've nmever binged. I took one e regularly for a few years, 2 or 3 times a week. These were actually my most successful financial years, didn't fuck me up, don't consider taking only one pill every few days binging.

Asw for the 'ideal' (note the speech marks) dose. Go back through this thread. You'll find many people agree with this. You'll also find people dosing over this amount with the only excuse being 'it's moreish'. Thats speed.

I wouldn't have kept taking it beyond 500mg if more didn't keep making me feel high.

High yes. Euphoric no. You are talking about a speed high.

Sorry my post caused so much offence to people like you Mr M who dived in and started criticizing without even reading the post properly. My bad obviously.

Go back through both threads. You'll find plenty of evidence from other people that 500-750 is a reasonable amount.

And remember I wrote 'ideal' not ideal.

Fuck your moral authority.

 

[TheSpade]

I've nmever binged. I took one e regularly for a few years, 2 or 3 times a week. These were actually my most successful financial years, didn't fuck me up, don't consider taking only one pill every few days binging.

It's rich to see someone who took E 3 times a week giving lectures to folk who are doing drugs too often. Most successful financial years? What were you doing, selling them?

 

[MrM]

High yes. Euphoric no. You are talking about a speed high.

You're telling me what kind of a high i was experiencing? Do you think you know better than me what i was experiencing at that time? Why?

I can tell you for sure i was getting more than just 'speedyness'. Granted, I never feel it when redosing the way I do after the first 200-250mg dose (that being the amount i would usually start with) because it just keeps you up rather than producing that comeup wave of feeling, but you can't tell me i wasn't prolonging feelings of loved up euphoria by taking more.

If taking more just produced a speedy effect i can assure you i wouldn't have bothered. I don't like speed and am quite sensitive to stimulants in general. I know the difference between a speed high and an entactogenic like high.

I've nmever binged. I took one e regularly for a few years, 2 or 3 times a week. These were actually my most successful financial years, didn't fuck me up, don't consider taking only one pill every few days binging.

If that is your experience then fair enough but i don't personally know any moderate users of E that would consider 2 to 3 times a week moderate use.

Sorry my post caused so much offence to people like you Mr M who dived in and started criticizing without even reading the post properly. My bad obviously.

I did read your post before responding and was not particularly offended. I did however disagree with many of your points and thought you were coming across as a bit too sure of yourself catagorically stating that people stop feeling euphoria at 750mg when that is not my experience at all.

edit - i did misread your post originally when i thought you were saying 500-750mg of mdma was a reasonable dose when you were talking about mephedrone - however i did recognise this after inso pointed it out, admitted as much, and also made other comments which were valid responses to your post (namely the idea that stronger pills are not necessarily a good thing and in this post that the euphoria stops at 750mg with mephedrone).

Fuck your moral authority.

Have i offended you somehow?

 

[TheSpade]

He's feeling a bit grouchy after too many E's.

 

[chrisdahl]

Well said. Seems that buying in bulk seems to be most people's downfall really.

Some of you should really stop buying in bulk

Agree with this.Personally I stick to a gram on a weekend if my missus wants some.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

i hope not, what exactly would be the advantage for either of these methods? surely plugging would achieve similar absorption without the risks of these methods. i can understand curiosity with IVing but why risk IM/SC?

It seems like it would last longer than IV. And if you had 99% pure or higher, it seems like it wouldn't be that risky. I could easily be wrong though.

 

[Evad]

It'd last longer but the health implications are much worse, it might be 99% pure but it's certainly not sterile.

 

[tambourine-man]

Mephedrone is like the substitute teacher of drugs: quieter, apparently weaker and with less reputation to be judged... let alone respected.

When the real thing isn't around, the kids think they can abuse the shit out of the substitute and get away with it. Well, maybe you can most of the time... but occasionally, when you push it too far, your behaviour gets noted and added to your record.

Reading though some of the latter pages in this thread is totally chilling. Some of you people are idiots. I don't care how unpopular that may be. You are idiots.

Of all the drugs available, Mephedrone is one of the last you should be hoovering up in large quantities and frequencies. While there is no cast-iron proof of its negative long-term health effects, the total lack of quality research - either journals or in-situ experimentation - should be enough to raise a degree of caution in how one approaches this compound. And where binging is concerned, simple common-sense should be telling you to look elsewhere to get your binge kicks. But therein lies the problem: in such massive quantities and frequencies, just about every drug will do damage at one level or another.

Whore's right. At the doses mentioned in this thread, you need some fucking therapy.

 

[Bella Figura]

Whore's right.

Fuck yes I'm right :D

 

[tambourine-man]

A gram of meph is in the post as your prize.

 

[Bella Figura]

That'll cure my blue limbs and aching heart thankyou

 

[MrM]

Whore's right. At the doses mentioned in this thread, you need some fucking therapy.

Despite disagreeing with some of the specifics that stonerhappymonday came out with, unfortunately i'd have to agree with the above statement.

If taking way too much mephedrone was just prolonging a speedy effect, wouldn't all those people taking multiple grams over multiple days just take speed instead? With all the unknowns of meph that would almost count as harm reduction.

 

[jac1999]

Whore's right. At the doses mentioned in this thread, you need some fucking therapy.

Can I just point out that doses are very subjective quantities. One persons 100 mg is another ones 500 mg etc.

So lets not been so judgemental. There are idiots out there but the vast majority have a good idea of there own personal limits.

 

[MrM]

Can I just point out that doses are very subjective [quantities. One persons 100 mg is another ones 500 mg etc.

There is some truth to this, however one persons 500mg is not another persons 5000mg or 10,000 mg or worse.

It's these kind of doses (10 x the 'norm' and above taken continously for days on end) that invite negative judgement, not 500mg or so.

 

[TheSpade]

If taking way too much mephedrone was just prolonging a speedy effect, wouldn't all those people taking multiple grams over multiple days just take speed instead? With all the unknowns of meph that would almost count as harm reduction.

Well not neccessarily as the buzz to begin with obviously isn't speedy it's MDMA like (so I read I've not tried it) which is obviously quite nice, people take more doses and the MDMA like buzz probably lasts for a few doses then you begin to chase that high, it might not return but you'll still try and the redosing will still give you some sort of effect and when you are high, anything other than being sober seems like a good idea.

I'm exactly the same with MDMA / E. After a certain point there's not really any euphoria or a good buzz, things just get speedu but it doesn't stop me taking it nor mean I'd prefer to take speed.

I imagine it's very similar with meph.

 

[bogman]

if people could order MDMA or MDXX pills off the net nobody would want meph.
a lot of people are sensible with the amounts they take but with most things there is always a small number who go to far.
a small amount of meph is not going to do that much harm just like if you have 4 or 5 pts of lager or you have 16+ pts.
i think the real damage is being done by doing it day after day after day.your body needs a break from chemicals good or bad old or new.