Mephedrone Megathread - Second Line

[technocat]

Thats grand dont really want to go on a binge, cause heard some bad things about people doing too much! whats the come down like? is there any after glow or anything like MDMA?

 

[Bella Figura]

Didn't notice any afterglow the day after 200mg, more of a general drained feeling and sore jaw. Was better after eating a good meal and smoking some weed though.

 

[MrM]

Thats grand dont really want to go on a binge, cause heard some bad things about people doing too much! whats the come down like? is there any after glow or anything like MDMA?

Yeah that's what i meant to imply (binges on mephedrone are not a good thing - read through some of the previous posts in this thread if it's not obvious enough already...) I certainly wouldn't recomend taking too much.

When i stick to 500mg i don't feel too bad the next day, better than if i'd taken a pill or two to get similarly high.

The one time i took a gram i did feel a bit rough the next day - nothing terrible, had worse on pills, but still. Wouldn't want to take more.

If you are sensible with your dose you'll probably just feel a little slow and chilled out the next day but nothing big.

 

[hairyharry]

uh.

 

[StoneHappyMonday]

That's because the people caning meph don't give a shit about self-preservation/harm reduction, they're the kind of people that would just cane anything that felt good if they were given it because they have no self control. These people probably need therapy not drugs.

Not just talking about people on BL either, there's another board where people are even more fucking retarded when it comes to meph.

And if drugs were legalised they'd be regulated. There's no regulation to meph, there's nothing stopping anyone buying a fuckton and going through it in a couple of days.

Absolutely spot on.

I'm sick of the binge culture. It ruined ecstasy, starting in the early/mid 90's when E got really popular and it became common for people to neck multiple E's while necking multiple pints. The result was shittier and shittier pills because those making them knew they could get away with it. (Prior to that we only ever took one pill a night - it was enough - and probably beyond the capabilities of someone like Spade to believe).

Now we'll see the same happen to mephedrone. Yes other factors come into it, the criminals pursuit of a quick profit blah blah but the bingers are culpable too.

For the record. The ideal amount in one session is 500-750mg. Any more is fairly pointless save for cheap speedy effects and a bit more anxiety. The euphoria stops at 750mg.

And one more thing. I'd say its more of a cross between e and qat. It definitely reminds me of qat (with which you experience a fleeting euphoria too) more than straight speed. And as methcathinone is an ingredient of qat, perhaps that's not surprising.

But ffs have some sense people. Parts of this thread belong in psychiatric care notes.

 

[sundayraver]

personally I wouldnt go above 400mg in a night, and I'd wait at least a couple of weeks before my next go on meth.

 

[MrM]

For the record. The ideal amount in one session is 500-750mg.

500-750mg of mdma would floor me unless it was spread out over about 12 hours, by the end of which i'd feel pretty shattered.

(Prior to that we only ever took one pill a night - it was enough - and probably beyond the capabilities of someone like Spade to believe).

How much mdma was in this pill? If the ideal dose is 500-750mg it must have been a fuck off big pill?

People talk in glowing terms of pills in the 'old days' when they were incredably strong and 1 pill got you really fucked. I'd rather be sold pills with about 100mg of high quality mdma in each one so i could take one for a mild effect and two (or one then another 30 mins later to stagger the effects) if i wanted to get properly high.

Given that different people have different natural tolerances to MDMA anyway, as a harm minimisation method it would make sense to produce pills aimed at the lower end of the spectrum so that lightweights taking 1 don't OD and others can double drop that feel the need. It makes no difference to me taking 2 x 100mg or 1 x 200mg pills, but it does decrease the odds that first time users and lightweights such as myself wont assume 1 pill is a dose and end up taking too much.

 

[Inso]

^lol with the 500-750mg figure he is probably referring to mephedrone. That's far above the idseal MDMA dose unless one you have one monster tolerance!

 

[MrM]

Ah yes well spotted Inso, i suspect you are right.

 

[TheSpade]

Absolutely spot on.

I'm sick of the binge culture. It ruined ecstasy, starting in the early/mid 90's when E got really popular and it became common for people to neck multiple E's while necking multiple pints. The result was shittier and shittier pills because those making them knew they could get away with it. (Prior to that we only ever took one pill a night - it was enough - and probably beyond the capabilities of someone like Spade to believe).

Now we'll see the same happen to mephedrone. Yes other factors come into it, the criminals pursuit of a quick profit blah blah but the bingers are culpable too.

For the record. The ideal amount in one session is 500-750mg. Any more is fairly pointless save for cheap speedy effects and a bit more anxiety. The euphoria stops at 750mg.

And one more thing. I'd say its more of a cross between e and qat. It definitely reminds me of qat (with which you experience a fleeting euphoria too) more than straight speed. And as methcathinone is an ingredient of qat, perhaps that's not surprising.

But ffs have some sense people. Parts of this thread belong in psychiatric care notes.

SHM you are so up yourself and full of shit.

As if you've never binged or got a bit carried away with drugs. As if you've never did anything stupid. As if you've never had a bad experience with drugs. Oh but I haven't you claim. You trying to kid yourself or us? 8)

I remember a post from you that 'back in the day' it didn't matter what day of the week it was because the drugs were so good you were partying all the time. You can't party all the time without binging or doing an abundance of drugs, unless you partied sober. Which would obviously be a contradiction.

I have no problem beleiving that when you first started taking E you only needed one. When I first started taking E in 2002 I only needed one E a night as well, and they apparently where shit by then. It was more than enough, I was content. Explain that.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that if something feels good people are going to do lots of it, regardless of how stupid it is or what the consequences are.

And for the record. How can you state that 500-750mg if meph is the 'ideal' amount as if it's fact. It blatently, like any drug, varies from person to person. You claim the euphoria stops at 750mg as if that is absolute fact. Bollocks.

Not disagreeing with you that some people need to show some sense, 10G of anything in one week is stupid and irresponsible but you need to stop acting like the moral authority on drugs.

 

[parttime crackhead]

i've just realised i rattled 5g of meph in 3 nights. not clever

 

[Bella Figura]

SHM you are so up yourself and full of shit.

Not really, its just a reality check to all the people acting like idiots with a drug that has almost shit all research into its toxicity.

I don't see why it's so hard to understand that if something feels good people are going to do lots of it, regardless of how stupid it is or what the consequences are.

And you don't smoke for what reason? Same applies to meph.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

Has anyone IM/SCed this?

 

[Mugz]

i've just realised i rattled 5g of meph in 3 nights. not clever

And you said my binge was bad

 

[Evad]

But ffs have some sense people. Parts of this thread belong in psychiatric care notes.

indeed. i'm surprised to see the attitudes of supposedly educated drug users i can't bear to think what the less educated folk are doing with this

SHM you are so up yourself and full of shit.

As if you've never binged or got a bit carried away with drugs. As if you've never did anything stupid. As if you've never had a bad experience with drugs. Oh but I haven't you claim. You trying to kid yourself or us? 8)...

pot..kettle etc. do you not feel a bit worried reading this thread? i've never seen such wide scale disregard for personal health on this scale on bluelight before. it's pretty worrying and i can understand such a response. i agree with you about not being able to set an across the board ideal maximum dosage for any drug though.

Has anyone IM/SCed this?

i hope not, what exactly would be the advantage for either of these methods? surely plugging would achieve similar absorption without the risks of these methods. i can understand curiosity with IVing but why risk IM/SC?

 

[Chatative]

indeed. i'm surprised to see the attitudes of supposedly educated drug users i can't bear to think what the less educated folk are doing with this

I couldn't agree more. My friend introduced me to Mephedrone and that was that. But slowly since then he has startded doing too much but he does know the risks and is a plonker. 2-3 of us have told him he is going overboard but he doesn't want to listen, It's just "I'll stop for these 3 days until monday".

What I've found to be the worst is people just sharing out meph at clubs. On my first night out in town on meph I was surprised to find we got a gathering of like 8 people, with 2-3 of them not knowing anything about meph. Scary to think some people takes things they have no idea about.

Personally, I think meph is definitely habit forming and fiending is a real issue. Means some people who don't realise it end up doing waaaay too much. I'd read up loads on meph before my first use and continue to look up things but I still had to learn through experience that binges aren't great.

Having said all that, I am totally for infrequent use of meph. All you got to do is make sure you don't get into a habit with it. I think one problem with this is that when you are using a moderate amount of meph, your time gets all skewed. During my meph binge the week essentially just disappeared amongst being high on meph & recovering and a week later I was convnced I hadn't used it in much longer, hence it seemed ok to do more. To be fair using it less makes me feel much more healthy on the whole and also gives me a better euphoria part of the high; so why not take advantage of that...

I think it's important people find out what they are taking and learn to some extent themselves, what the problems are with meph.

I definitely agree that dosages can't be set very well. Tolerance plays a big part in it and I'm sure people who use other drugs like amphets/mdma probably have some tolerance to the serotonin process of meph. When I first tried bombing some meph, I did 200mg which gave me a huuuge speedy rush... it was almost overwhelming. Other people meanwhile quite happily seem to do 250mg-500mg and cope fine.

Well that's an interesting rant, considering I've been awake all night on meph lol

I bet I come back later and think I've written crap... lol. I seem to have taken a hardliner stance here but to be honest I use meph quite a bit. I'd like to think I do it as sensibly as I can though %)

 

[The Kid]

Scary to think some people takes things they have no idea about.

To be fair, when us "older" BLers started necking pills in the early 90's, we had little idea of what ecstacy was all about. You'd just be given a dove or a cap by someone and bosh it straight down!

However, we weren't really educated drug users. Most of the posters on BL are educated users, so some of the binging is pretty mad and also stupid.
But we've all done it, so difficult to preach without being hypocritical. Would hate to lose a few BL mates due to stupidity though.

 

[MrM]

However, we weren't really educated drug users. Most of the posters on BL are educated users, so some of the binging is pretty mad and also stupid.
But we've all done it, so difficult to preach without being hypocritical. Would hate to lose a few BL mates due to stupidity though.

The only slight difference is that even as far back as the 90s MDMA wasn't that new and had enough of a history that it's effects could be at least guessed at. Also (personally) i don't find it quite so moorish as meph. Still, you've got a point.

 

[TheSpade]

And you don't smoke for what reason?

Smoking doesn't feel good. It's extremely disgusting.

do you not feel a bit worried reading this thread? i've never seen such wide scale disregard for personal health on this scale on bluelight before. it's pretty worrying and i can understand such a response. i agree with you about not being able to set an across the board ideal maximum dosage for any drug though.

I definitely think it's stupid that so many people are caining it to fuck even though it seems likely it could be toxic according to F&B and that so little is known about it.

Massive drug abuse is common with BL'ers, it's just that with Meph suddenly becoming the new, easily available drug everyones trying it out. It'll die down soon enough, not really any more worrying (aside from possible toxicity) than if everyone was caining MDMA or coke or whatever (which they do).

 

[Bella Figura]

Smoking doesn't feel good. It's extremely disgusting.

I'm pretty sure it does feel good, joint discolouration sounds pretty disgusting to me, and there's nothing enjoyable about your fucking heart hurting :D

There's a responsible way to do every drug, just because one might feel more euphoric (which is subjective anyway) to one person than another it doesn't mean you can justify them taking it constantly.

I know where you stand on this so i'm not having a dig at you, this is one thing I agree with you on, the unknown toxicity is reason enough for anyone with half a brain not to binge on this stuff.