Saturday, May 9, 2009
Mephedrone: Why isn't more Research being done?
Also Known As: 4-Methylmethcathinone, 4-MMC, mmcat
This post isn't to talk about what Mephedrone is, but mostly to discuss why there hasn't been more information on experiences and individual research done... this RC has been available for at least the past few years.
I am kind of under the impression that perhaps a good number of people with data may not want to sign up for internet forums to discuss things like this... because, well, I'm the same way. I always read the forums, but it's just not worth giving them my personal info to sign up usually.
So, with that said here is a place you can post Anynomously your information and experiences with Mephedrone, without having to sign up.
First off let me say that this is one of the "best" RC's that have been found in my opinion, and if you're looking for an interesting and fun experiment then I would say this isn't a bad place to start.
There is a fairly well documented index on basic "experience reports" that can be found with a quick web search, but in general I will lay out the basic feel of the "experience"..
Best ROA (Route of Administration): Oral
Recommended "dosage": 250mg MAX first time
T+0:15 first effects are noticed, ramping up over the next 15-30 minutes
T+0:30- 45 Stimulating effects starting to peak, euphoric state starts to kick in around this point.
T+1:00 Peak is attained and lasts for about 1.5- 2 hours before declining to borderline. Peak is marked by intense euphoria, and increase in energy. Euphoric effects are almost more than MDMA, but last half as long. Music and dancing are amazing at this point.
T+3:00 Come down and light "crash" which is not extreme, but of course you don't feel ideal. Not a long lasting crash IMO
An important question that I couldn't find any USEFUL information on was, is it worth smoking?
Someone I know tried heating Mephedrone over foil and vaporizing it this way... when it heats up, something strange happens and I'm not sure if it was just HIS stash or what (but it's quality stuff, done many times orally... with no more than 250mg with AMAZING RESULTS)
The Mephedrone melts, but then quickly turns from a white liquid to a reddish-orange... this liquid produces a LOT of smoke. Considering the person I know tried with foil, a straw, and a candle one night just for kicks.. he really didn't have ideal equipment for trying to vape this substance.
The taste of the smoke is somewhat... sweet? Not bad. Very thick. And the next day my friend did not find any real hangover. Actually felt pretty good.
Now there is no way for someone at my chemistry level (which would be Level Zero..) to know what form this 4-Methylmethcathinone is in, but from reading other posts I've come to determine that (assuming my info was correct) Ice in it's crystal, smokable form as we know it is a hydrochloride salt.
My guess is this would be a hydrochloride salt form of Mephedrone, it definitely vape's/smokes almost EXACTLY like Ice when heated, but I'm not sure if that means anything at all. Well of course besides the strange color change.
Also, let me make it clear that in my blog I am not, for legal reasons, recommending that anyone experiment with Mephedrone, or Research Chemicals in general. There is a reason they are still in that category of substances. No one can possibly know the extent of the toxicty of these substances at this point. We can just assume that, like most things that are fun... it's probably fairly toxic. haha
So let me phrase it this way:
Kids, do NOT try this at home. ... but, IF YOU DO (Or already have) Post your results here. ; )
I also want to advise EXTREME CAUTION to anyone heating this substance, this is not a scientific statement but just a general safety precaution- because it seemed to me like the resulting reddish-orange liquid that gave a good smoke would also cause the candle flame to increase in size and heat at the exact moment the vapor started coming off.
All I'm saying is, there could always be a chance that there is something flammable being given off as this melts. It may not be the case, but I just wanted to put it out there because hell, if it is.. I don't want to read about anyone blowing themselves up or burning the house down because of messing with a RC.
Also remember to be responsible with things like this... this isn't your mom or a cop talking, this is an online friend. : D Because eventually it's almost certain that this will become a scheduled substance, and having stupid things like houses burning down or kids ODing because they took 2 grams of the shit will only speed that process up.
For those wondering, which is probably most of you- there was definitely an effect felt from this. Was it worth pursuing? Apparently. But it definitely, at the level I experienced, was not something to be done for recreational purposes. Stick with Oral. (That's what she said!)
Some of the reasons for this are:
1) The amount of smoke produced by this vaporization is... borderline ridiculous. It's like trying to huff a smoke bomb. Ok no it really probably wasn't that bad, and I think a big reason for me was that my friend was using a candle with the flame moving around, so he'd get inconsistent hits and it would take him like an hour to go through a small pinch of the stuff.
IDEA- Ok, so I came back to this later after thinking.. since there is so much smoke put off, and it's probably horrible on the lungs (like ANY smoke) a good idea to deal with getting a neccessary amount of it inhaled would be to use a water bong with ice in it, such as type used for Meth. I REALLY wish I had one right now because this sounds like the best way to step forward.
If any one out there can provide results from the above process, PLEASE post it here and let us know.
2) It's always possible most of the active substance is burnt before vaping, but it definitely didn't ALL burn... since there was some small effect from the minute amount of smoke that was obtained. And this tells me that the substance itself does NOT deteriorate before burning. Now, how fine of a line there is between vaping successfully and getting a mouthful of burnt, useless chemical remains to be seen.
That's basically all I've got at this point. Your turn guys!
..Man I really wish I had a ice water pipe, that sounds like it would be worth at least trying with some ice, ripping it and holding it in real good.
Reported Problems with Mephedrone & Mephedrone Toxicity
Mephedrone is suspected to be a Vasoconstrictor, which would cause effects such as sore or numb extremities, especially in high or frequent dosings. To combat this, I suspect you should try to combine your dose of Meph with a vasodilator. I have taken a dose of Niacin (Vitamin B3) at the same time or after my mephedrone dose, but BE WARNED that this may cause the typical flushing/patchiness of skin and itchiness associated with Niacin. I am used to this feeling and it doesn't bother me, so please do NOT combine these if you are unfamiliar with the niacin flush. Or Google "niacin flush" for more info.
List of other Common Vasodilators
Black cohosh
Chocolate (contains theobromine)
Cinnamon
Garlic
Ginger
Ginkgo biloba
Kola nut (contains theobromine)
L-Arginine
Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC)
Vitamin B3 (niacin)
Also, one of the main organs that is at risk to be affected by.. well almost any chemical you ingest, is your liver. I take a moderate- large dose of Milk Thistle seed and Astragalus root to try to combat possible negative effects on my liver. Until testing is done we can't know if this is effective at all, but I would suggest doing so.
Finally, it's always a good idea to take a high dose of antioxidants such as Vitamins C & E when taking something that could be taxing on your body. ALWAYS a good idea.
With all that said, here is my recommended cocktail:
Recommended regimine:
200-250 mg Mephedrone
2 tspn ground Milk Thistle Seed
500mg Vitamin C
400mg Vitamin E
1 tspn Astragalus root (optional)
100mg Niacin (ONLY IF YOU CAN HANDLE THE POSSIBLE NIACIN FLUSH)
