Mephedrone Megathread: Fourth Redose

[Bob Loblaw]

EDIT ...
@ SHAMBLES
^ having said that it's been around for a few years now and I only know of a couple of deaths directly linked to meph so my guess is it can't be much more cardiotoxic than the standard illegal drugs

The 'standard' drugs have been around for what, 40+ years easily? And bear in mind, just because people aren't dropping like flies weeks/months after meph use doesn't mean the harm isn't there. Problems could develop after chronic use or simply manifest themselves years later. (Think chemicals that take 10 years to kill people after initial exposure)

 

[Shambles]

EDIT ...
@ SHAMBLES
^ having said that it's been around for a few years now and I only know of a couple of deaths directly linked to meph so my guess is it can't be much more cardiotoxic than the standard illegal drugs

As Bob said, the concerns are about longterm damage to the heart valves which would take years to become apparent - you won't know what damage has been done for maybe ten years or more. Short-term health problems seem to be more related to vasoconstriction or combinations with other drugs and are less of a concern.

Oh, and on the chest pain thing, yes I have experienced it from just moderate use. I find it less apparent when used in conjunction with other stims, oddly enough. Could just be that I'm less aware of it at the time though.

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I think the scariest part of this drug is that when immediate health problems manifest, it's often very difficult to cease using Meph. E.g. people with blue knees still chopping lines and I myself only quit using Meph after the chest pains because I couldn't bear having my mom see me dead in my room or having her have to call and take me to A&E/ER.

 

[joshmow56]

I had quite a bad nose bleed earlier, I think I'm gona lay off the snorting for a while.

I find that grinding it with a mortar and pestle reduces the chance in this happening and speeds up the onset of mephedrones effects

 

[khatman]

I love drone and it makes me feel frisky but it gives me speed willy so mrs khatman is disappointed

Has anyone here tried taking Cialis whilst on drone?

I wonder if it would counteract the vaso constriction.

 

[curvygal19]

It's strange because I have never got the sweats from Meph, only time I got the sweats was when I took some GBL at the same time, did not like it and never touched GBL since.

I don't get a racing heart, chest pain, blue skin or kidney pains.
Maybe plugging it would be the reason for no kidney pains?

 

[Acid4Blood]

Has anyone here tried taking Cialis whilst on drone?

I wonder if it would counteract the vaso constriction.

Never tried it but I'm pretty sure SHM has.

Cialis = Vaso-dilation
Meph = Vaso-constriction

Take from that what you will! (Stims + Sildenafil in general put alot of pressure on your heart)

On another note: Meph + LSD = %)%)

 

[sundayraver]

Cialis gives me 1 major headache, I wouldnt fancy that!

 

[Is it Friday yet?]

Sounds familiar fella I sweat shedloads as I'm coming down, strangely. Emotional weirdness - really harsh comedowns - and the "zaps" (white flashes and a sensation of being electrocuted as I fall asleep) all kick in between 24 and 48 hours after last use.

I'm using too much though at the moment - between 1/2 and g per day for the last two/three weeks.

You'll be ok. Just take it as a lesson learnt (even if I don't) not to cane the granny out of it in future?

I forgot to mention 'zaps'- good name - I thought I would break my neck.
Does this really happen or do you just imagine it?

As for lesson learned Yes (maybe) - the pilot got away with cuts and bruises but I think the blackbox was damaged.

 

[MrM]

I think people should respect mephedrone in the same way you'd respect MDMA.

You don't take something like that every day. You take it every week (absolute MAXIMUM) just to give your body and mind a chance to recover.

The danger with mephedrone (to my mind anyway) is it feels much milder than pills or mdma do so it lulls you into a false sense of security, but if taken daily i'm sure it's not good for you.

This drug is almost brand new. I will admit to enjoying it myself but i make a point only buying as much as i intend to take in one session as it is rather fiendish and i don't really feel it a great idea for me to have 10g lying around. Taken once a month i've not encountered any of the negative side effects reported like blue knees or worrying heart patterns.

On the subject of lower back pain - mephedrone is a stimulant. If you've been moving around more there is a chance the pain is just a pulled muscle. Pulling a muscle in your lower back will result in a near constant anoying pain as you are always using those muscles just to stand upright. I base this theory on the number of noobs in the ecstasy discussion forum who take pills, go out dancing all night long and then wake up the next day with backpain and think ecstasy has damaged their spinal column (rather than that they are unfit and then took a stimulant and did more exercise than they are accustomed to and pulled a muscle). Or maybe your kidneys are about to fail.

 

[The Kid]

You don't take something like that every day. You take it every week (absolute minimum) just to give your body and mind a chance to recover.

I reckon you mean once a week MAXIMUM?

On the subject of lower back pain - mephedrone is a stimulant. If you've been moving around more there is a chance the pain is just a pulled muscle. Pulling a muscle in your lower back will result in a near constant anoying pain as you are always using those muscles just to stand upright. I base this theory on the number of noobs in the ecstasy discussion forum who take pills, go out dancing all night long and then wake up the next day with backpain and think ecstasy has damaged their spinal column (rather than that they are unfit and then took a stimulant and did more exercise than they are accustomed to and pulled a muscle). Or maybe your kidneys are about to fail.

Isn't it more likely to be kidney related? I remember when I was a nipper and used to be necking stupid amounts of pills, speed and booze over the weekend that my lower back would ache. And my face would go a bit yellow. It even got the point a few years ago, that if'd had a heavy night on the chang, my first line the next day would cause pain within about 15 mins.

 

[Inso]

A mate of mine used to get really bad kidney pains when he was a horrendous cokehead, could be the same with the ol' meph. Although if its after the odd session it coule be just a muscle as MnM said, best to see a doctor about any of these symptoms, just be honest with whats been consumed and the level of use.

 

[captain codshit]

I reckon you mean once a week MAXIMUM?



Isn't it more likely to be kidney related? I remember when I was a nipper and used to be necking stupid amounts of pills, speed and booze over the weekend that my lower back would ache. And my face would go a bit yellow. It even got the point a few years ago, that if'd had a heavy night on the chang, my first line the next day would cause pain within about 15 mins.

Definately better to give the meph a week apart, I'd imagine its quite like MDMA where if you used it every day the euphoria and rushes would be severly diminished, as would the empathy. I have taken it 2 night on the trot a few of times and its still worked well but wouldnt really want to do that often.

As for the kidney pains, just over use I'd imagine. Speed always seems to give me a funny stomach/kidneys after. I can take most drugs and be fine the next day, coke, MDMA, meph, acid...... but speed every time I've tried it (which is not many compared to the rest) just ruins me.

Did you used to use coke alot Kid? I've had some bad times with coke, used to have some heavy heavy sessions on the cocaine. When you finally did end the session the next few days I would feel pretty blank and pissed off. Now i still really enjoy coke, but I only buy it when its really good and never more than a couple of g's these days.

 

[ColtDan]

my emotions and mood feel slightly weird for a couple days after using this stuff, emotional rollercoaster. gonna have a break for a few weeks and only do this stuff on a special occasion, think ill make do with just booze for now. it also seems to fuck my short term memory up for a few days, anyone had this?

 

[MrM]

I reckon you mean once a week MAXIMUM?

I reckon you are right. woops.

 

[Bella Figura]

Ideally it should be once a month maximum for your brain to recover as much as possible, same for MDMA (and to a lesser extent psyches so that your experiences can be integrated/be meaningful).

It is a hell of a lot to ask when people are doing it multiple times a week, but hopefully some people will listen

I haven't touched my meph in about 5 months

 

[MrM]

Ideally it should be once a month maximum for your brain to recover as much as possible, same for MDMA (and to a lesser extent psyches so that your experiences can be integrated/be meaningful).

Ideally speaking i agree. The one period of my life where i did take ecstasy weekly (for about 3 months) i started feeling more and more faded as time went by. I never quite recovered from the last session before starting the next and the effect seemed to be cumulative.

However, taking the stuff weekly is not going to result in the kind of immediate problems i'd expect someone to encounter if they go on a 2 week daily binge.

I can understand people are excited by this new drug that is relatively easy and cheap to obtain at high quality (well, relative to most street drugs anyway), and so it's got a novelty factor. People will take more of it at first becausse of this - hence weekly as an absolute maximum, but i'd hope once the novelty wears off people treat it a bit more sensibly.

 

[The Kid]

I reckon you are right. woops.

It happens to the best of us.

Did you used to use coke alot Kid?

Nah, not really. Been using it on and off since about 96 or 97. Only really started hitting is more regularly and on a bigger scale in 2001 ish, when I started earning alright money and club scene became a bit shitl.

Most regular is prob 3 weekends out of 4 for a few months, longest without prob about 6 months. But it's easy for me, as I live in a coke-free paradise.

Unfortunately it's not a meph/fleph-free paradise, so i'm watching my step just a little bit.....

 

[parttime crackhead]

meph's here baby baby! i knew the postie wouldn't let me down with the recorded delivery pish, seeing as he's my mate - "you know me mate, fire it through, no signature required!" - was his quote the last time lol.

kid i can see you spiralling in to a fleph fuelled oblivion if you're no careful you'll have the fleph badger chasing you about like frankie wilde, the only thing that can save you is some high grade columbian marching powder

 

[The Kid]

^ I'm praying for salvation.