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Mephedrone Megathread: Five heart attacks later...

bogman said:
1st=good evening fellow irish BLer. Good evening Bogman. Whats the story?

2nd=yes do smaller lines Yeah in future if I snort any more (nose is still killing me) I will definately do smaller lines

3rd=your better off bombing the stuff imo I reckon you are right. Thats what I usually do. I was just curious and bored (bad combo for me)

4th=be very carefull with this stuff=yes its brillant,but it can fcuk you over if your not carefull with it. I reckon I have done it about 8 times over the last 4 months. Usually leave a 2 week gap between sessions and never more than 500g in one session and that is usually spread out over about 8 hours

5th=there are plenty of party people in cavan,you got to find the pubs/clubs they go to.
im down the N3 in meath and im also a blow in but i found a few locals who share the same intrests as myself. I reckon I know the pubs to go to but it is trying to integrate with the people which is the problem. It doesnt help that I am 38 and most of the guys here seem to be early 20's. Most of my mates in Dublin are the same age as me so its not a problem up there. Just need to tweak my social skills and not be afraid to talk to strangers :D

6th=i found a small amount of M1 mixed with the meph even better.once again be carefull with the stuff.
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I heard that M1 can give you a trippy buzz though. Im not really one for the hallucinations (unless it is mushies). Prefer either to be full of life and having a nice nod on the sofa at home.
 
storey is good with me thanks.
i know how you feel as im 39years young,some of my new buds are mid 20s,it has its + and -.
done the m1 about 4 or 5 times and never found it trippy.
i was putting between 25 and 50mg of m1 mixed with about 150 -200mg of meph.

one of the dublin bl lads has done a b1 and m1 combo and found it good.

are you in the wilds of the countryside or the big town of cavan.
 
bogman said:
storey is good with me thanks.
i know how you feel as im 39years young,some of my new buds are mid 20s,it has its + and -.
done the m1 about 4 or 5 times and never found it trippy.
i was putting between 25 and 50mg of m1 mixed with about 150 -200mg of meph.

one of the dublin bl lads has done a b1 and m1 combo and found it good.

are you in the wilds of the countryside or the big town of cavan.
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Might give that a shot some time then. Glad to hear Im not the only 'older' person here :D Sometimes though it can be hard to keep up with the younger set (i sound like my dad there) but I usually can hold my own. I outpaced most of the lads I was with at EP this year though they were in tents and I had the luxury of a campervan. Im living about 2 miles out of Cavan town so not too far away but am moving into a new house soon which is out in the sticks but about 3 miles from Virginia.
 
your mot the only older person by a mile=BPhil1969 was born in....
and there are much olders in the uk.

was at ep myself.went with a 26-30-32 year olds and we came home sunday as they were fucked-burntout.
we had medics-welfare tent and site hospital in the mix for the 3 of them and me not a fcukin bother.
if your near Virginia then ye mite see me next summer around the shores of lough ramor..

campervan sounds like a plan for next year as its my 40th birthday around next years picnic.
 
In love with miss methyl cat

Yeah i bought a gram a month ago. Finished it in 10 hours. Haven't been able to stop thinking about it. Its on my mind so much, i just keep looking at pictures of it. I just bought another 5g for a ridiculously low price. This is more addictive that Crystal Meth which is easy to get where i live, but a little less fiendish than coke. But not much. it took me a full week to recover 100% from the first binge. Felt really worn out an unhealthy for a month must be toxic.
 
Seems a lot of people are assuming mephedrone is reasonably safe now?

At the risk of starting a new thread when this has been covered before, I just wanted to guage people's reaction to the frequent use of mephedrone that appears to be going on.

I have searched a lot of threads but to be honest there are so many that it would take days to go through.

I know a lot of people (not on BL) who take quite a bit of this stuff now, and don't seem to be worried that it's a research chemical that no one really knows anything about. There are facebook groups about it where people brag about how they do multiple grams in a night. And clearly here, on BL, there are a lot of people hoovering up fairly large quantities.

So what's your opinion on mephedrone use? Obviously it's not completely safe, that goes with any drug; but do you worry about it being really harmful as some threads have suggested it might be?
 
Dunno where you get that idea from? Everyone here knows meph makes you go blind, makes you impotent, often results in the growth of extra appendages, leads people to pimp out their grandparents and can be damaging to your heart.

Another line anyone?;)
 
Mephedrone use is harmful for the heart. Much more so than (meth)amphetamine/cocaine/most other stims.

Time will prove me correct.
 
Mephedrone is poison and anyone who does enough of it will realise that. I wanted to try it out of curiosity and that stuff just sucked me in, I completely threw caution to the wind. I stopped because the nasty effects became so horribly obvious that denial was no longer possible. I really think that 4-MMC could be every bit as bad as is feared.
 
Yerg, what negative effects did you get, and do you have any permanent conditions from your usage now?
 
I don't think we need yet another meph thread here, with the exception being if the OP is in urgent need of advice etc. This has already been covered, and the info can be easily obtained through various other threads.

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Can we draw a line here? Meph in moderation is no worse for you than any drug out there. It's the people who are abusing it, who are feeling it's nasty side effects. Let's define the distinction, please.

Tomer
 
Tomer said:
Can we draw a line here? Meph in moderation is no worse for you than any drug out there. It's the people who are abusing it, who are feeling it's nasty side effects. Let's define the distinction, please.

Tomer
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I care to differ.

The only time I ever felt my chest hurt was after a huge huge coke session. After using mephedrone (approx 600mg) the following days I remember having a heart burn type feeling. Probably about 5-6 times. Each time the same.

At the time, many of us thought it might be placebo type effects. Please refer to mephedrone mega thread part one, from January.

To many users in EADD have stated it feels to toxic, even in moderate dosages.

And as no one can agree, meaning there is no general consensus on it, I will pass on this one.
 
^I got the whole purpling jazz which was the episode which caused me to stop. Truly terrifying shit, and the worst part was that I carried on snorting it until it was gone. With my fucking arms turning purple. This is the extent to which my willpower was utterly compromised, I was crushingly disappointed at how easily my cautious principles were undermined. Apart from that incident, my septum is noticeably thinner than it once was, and I have strange uncomfortable sensations in my chest. This stuff feels toxic, and I have to say the physical effects were enjoyable to me-on snorting a line, I had a sensation like iron fingers closing around my heart and pumping it for me. I imagine the chest sensations are indicative of cardiotoxicity, it is only fear and denial that have prevented me seeing a doctor. I was reading a report in the "big mephedrone thread" that seems to support this:
After a mephedrone binge i had chest pain and strange 'hollow' feeling in my chest. this has happened several times before on drone but this time it freaked me out enough to go to casaulty. after a blood test the doctor told me i had elevated levels of CKMB in blood, twice the normal amount. this is a sign of heart damage.
i havent consumed any other drug except the odd pip pill in the past three months so i attribute this to mephedrone.
the emergency staff had never heard of it but did eventually find it on one of their databases.
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I cannot emphasise enough how regrettable my encounter with this substance is. If the damage had been the result of a drug that enabled rewarding, positive experiences, I would have some small consolation. But mephedrone offers nothing more than a shallow, one-dimensional, visceral thrill. Unfortunately, it is very moreish. The potential benefits of this drug in no way balance the risk.
I am as passionate an opponent of drug prohibition as you will encounter, and in an ideal world I would see all substances regulated and available. However, this is not the case, and as it stands I cannot bear to imagine a world in which this filth remains cheap and legal whilst the alternatives are not. Mephedrone being banned would be no great loss to anyone, and this measure would protect the miserable bastards who are actually proud of their capacity to ingest Herculean quantities of this stuff.
 
Ghostface: Having more than half a gram of a substance is hardly moderation. When I refer to Moderation, I am referring to taking no more than 200 mg's of it in a sitting. If you took 600 mg's of MDMA, would the ensuing days be pleasant?

I am not saying there isn't a chance this stuff is toxic, but the quick presumption by people that it is, after ingesting such large portions, is unjustified.

Tomer
 
^The problem lies just there, that people ARE taking huge quantities. MDMA is not a substance that anyone would want to binge on day in, day out. Meph is. If you can be moderate, then by all means go ahead. I thought I could. I was wrong. This stuff gives you a short, intense high, but as the high wanes, and those fingers loosen their grip on your heart, the compulsion to redose is unbearable. Coke and speed do little for me, and whilst I love MDMA I would never be so immoderate in using it. If "abuse" is fairly typical, then it is reasonable to assess the risks of that kind of use.
 
Anecdotal references are fine but, for example, I've never experienced many of the symptoms discussed here. We are so far away from having any solid research into the long-term effects of this drug that it could potentially be a public health time bomb.

Yerg: I hear where you're coming from, but my personal perspective is that we should not attribute moral values to substances. While I'm all for educating people on the dangers and risks (if we even know them), starting scare campaigns that revolve around making yet another substance "evil" doesn't serve our cause at all in the long run.
 
^I wasn't trying to do that at all, of course no substance is inherently good or bad. I was giving my opinion, which is that the potential risks outweigh the benefits, and that the compulsion to redose is so strong that it is difficult to stick to your guns and put down the baggie. This is a harm reduction site, and I was merely describing the harm which I believe this substance has caused. I have to say I think it does serve our cause to highlight the dangers of this substance; if the general public becomes aware of a truly dangerous RC gaining popularity as a result of prohibition, there might be some sensible changes in drug policy.
 
Tomer said:
Ghostface: Having more than half a gram of a substance is hardly moderation. When I refer to Moderation, I am referring to taking no more than 200 mg's of it in a sitting. If you took 600 mg's of MDMA, would the ensuing days be pleasant?

I am not saying there isn't a chance this stuff is toxic, but the quick presumption by people that it is, after ingesting such large portions, is unjustified.

Tomer
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I would agree, if there was a general consensus on the dosage for the substance. Comparing 600mg of mdma to 600mg of mephedrone is irrelevant. They are not the same substance, just as 600mg of ket is not the same as 600mg of meph.

I understand what you mean, by moderation, but what is a moderate amount to take in an night out. Some say 500mg, others less, some a gram.

'We' are still making the 'rules' on this one.
 
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