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mephedrone long term negative effects progress reports

Has anyone here had any problems with the injection site from IV use of 4-methylmethcathinone?

I've done a bunch of shots recently and the needle fell out of the vein for the end of some of them, leading to a bit going in via subcutaneous or intramuscular or whatever. There's now some soreness/bruising in the area.

I wonder what kind of tissue damage this is, and how it will heal.
 
melange said:
ok I feel like an idiot because everyone on here, knows that I have a little common sense

I got 250mg of very pure meph recently(this is my only second time doing it)


I have adhd, and stims affect me very differently than most people

I barely did half of the 250mg in a night and my heart rate was pounding hard(but I already have a panic disorder) - the tachycardia felt no different than from when I smoke really good weed(in fact I have had weed skyrocket my hr to 180)

so to be safe, I went to the emergency room, and got a script for xanax

now they did ekg's chest xrays, blood work, all the shit and said I was fine(ruled it out as axiety/panic attacks, since my vitals weren't too bad - like heart rate 120-135, bp was like 135/90, so nothing serious

I am asking if xanax would be useful If I wanted to do the rest(don't have much left;meph that is); I assume it would help greatly

I am really sensitive to stims, I hear all these people doing fucking grams and grams in a night, which like I said earlier in this thread, was the real culprit behind the negative side effects, overdoing it

I mean this 250 lasted me like 3 days

but like I said I am sensitive to stims(because of anxiety problems)
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Jesus Melange!
Take care of yourself man!
This is not healthy.

Somebody in your situation ought to deal with their anxiety disorder and stay well well clear of mephedrone or any dopamine heavy stimulants.
I have a lot of experience with neurosis, psychosis, and panic/anxiety disorders, and the results are not pretty if you don't address some basic fundamental truths and begin the process of cognitive therapy.

Man I know what it feels like to have a panic attack. It is the most terrifying thing in the world and nothing, absolutely nothing can prepare you for it the first time it happens.
Surely you want to be free of that don't you? What a burden that is on your life!
I am an individual who has fully recovered from mental illness through a long process of cognitive therapy, initially needing a hell of a lot of medication, but now I know that I do not need and will never need medication again. I will never have another panic attack as long as I live. I know this at a fundamentally deep, unshakeable and confident level. But it took years to get there.
And mesing around with even small amounts of mephedrone and stims with symptoms as acute as yours, let alone beta blockers and other self-medication, reflects a slightly worrying failure to deal with the matter at hand, and to treat yourself.

do look after yourself man.
Cause life is short and hard like a body building elf, and you only get one crack at it!
treat yourself with the respect you deserve and you'll thank yourself later in life i swear!

Peace and positively soothing vibrations,...

DJ
 
from reading what many people have to say about this dirty substance, i'm glad that i decided to buy 5g's of methylone instead of mephedrone.
 
Mephedrone Questions...

A friend of mine took Mephedrone 2 nights ago and is wondering how long it is thought of to stay in your system. I gave her the amount of time I remembered reading, on average, from internet resources.

Any suggestions on how long Mephedrone stays in the system?


Facts on subject: Female, mid-20's, 140lbs., took no more than 500mg no less than 400mg measured out by .001 scale, throughout a duration of 13.5 hours. First and largest dose at once being 104mg, meausred out by scale, taken in gelcap anally. One other dose anally through oral suringe water/mephedrone mix aprox. 3.5 hours after first dose. The rest of the doses were no more than 25mg (eyeballed) at once, sniffed, and randomly done throughout the duration time. Used .75 mg of xanex for sleep aid last night. Has gotten around 10.5 hours of sleep since last dose of mephedrone.
Second time user of Mephedrone.

This being the second day after the use and is observed or said of feeling the side effects, I've read about numerous times, such as being easily agrrovated, impatient, easily angered, short term memory loss (constantly forgeting what she's doing in the middle of a task,) anxiety, depression, sleeplessness, paranioa, easily annoyed, sensitivity to loud noises, more sensitive emotionally than normal and has an impulse of continuosly squeezing her hands to a fist follwed by stretching the hands back open as far as she could to the point that it hurts.
Currently having most of these effects along with noted strong anxiety. She also says these negitive effects felt are in waves, mostly last night and tonight Not of emergency status, of course.

I have read through internet referance's to similar situations and told her what I thought. Any opionion on how long these feeling will last and/or suggestions of what could help?

Any advice is appreciated, besides simply to not do Mephedrone again (think she's learned her lesson.) Maybe even suggestions of switching forums or posting a thread elsewhere would be apreciated.
 
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EFC18 said:
Colt I have been feeling the paranoia at times too. Unlike most people who say that was never an aspect of their personality though, I do often worry alot about the kind of perception I've given off to people, and it's not hard for me to think I've given a bad impression, made a fool of myself, or I'm boring someone when talking to them and shit, like a search for validation. Mcat definitely magnifies that definitely, I remember getting the bus back to my house yesterday and I did look rather scruffy as you do after a night on it, but I was convinced everyone was looking at me and talking about me, I just convinced myself to ignore it and it passed.
Every time I have taken it too far I've always felt so guilty in the aftermath, but I've always managed to convince myself "Oh you exaggerated, you werent that bad, you haven't fucked yourself up, just live a little" so I've only had a couple of hours sleep since tuesday, like a 4-something day binge, when you get to a stage where that is acceptable...




Haha rather similar to me then, you never want to be the first one to suggest calling it a night, I always want to just keep going. I've got quite a few sensible mates but I went out recently with my more laid back mates and we were so bad, just kept on encouraging and enabling each other. "Yeah might as well have another line", "just finish this gram" sort of like massaging each other's guilt.
I mean right now, since Tuesday, I have only had bout 7 hours sleep. That was on Thursday I slept in the daytime, 10am - 7pm then went out again that night. I mean I started Uni in two weeks thats why I've got this free time now, and I have just taken it to ridiculous levels. You are right you've really got to keep jabbing the self-destruct button to get to these levels with mephedrone, the progession has been very steady from "a line a night, only with x mate", "couple of lines", "half a gram", "only once a week", "only when I'm out in town", "only when I'm with my mates", "only when I'm drinking" and then just now, really just fucking myself up for no reason. Anyway this has taken a long time, I started using round new year. Health effects that I've noticed is high blood pressure, which manifested itself in these black dots flying through my vision like the day after a session, happened once or twice recently, I think it is called hypertensive retinopathy. I haven't had this checked my a Doctor for obvious reasons! I don't get the blue knees or hands or anything like most have mentioned and I never have done. I've never felt like I'm going to collapse, but my main health concern I've put at the bottom of this post.



Yeah. It is very recognisable once you've been around it long enough - but yes I do agree with you too, the feedback and sharing of tales can be rather therapeutic. Obviously got to take the anecdotal evidence with a bit of salt but you can still learn things from it and occasionally there are some budding chemists with surprisingly advanced pharmacological knowledge who actually understand the substances we kind of ingest without much thought.




Erectile Dysfunction
Needed to bold this bit to bring the focus to my biggest concern (and thought it would make for a nice ironic bit of humour =D) at the moment. Obviously shrivelled dick when on it everyone is aware of, but now day or two after its really hard to get motivated and also, physically, it just doesn't seem to go beyond a semi. this is really fucking worrying me as there is a girl I have been making moves on, and getting very good responses, it would be a hell of a way to spoil it for myself as she doesn't even do drugs either.
But yes this seems to be a problem for me, hard to judge whether it is long term or permenant because I have literally been binging these last two weeks.
I expect nothing but condemnation obviously, I'm more aware than anybody that my antics have been self-destructive, I'm hoping for some leniency amongst my fellow fiends in this thread...
thanks anyway guys
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Been a while, but i wanted to report on my experiences with 4-MMC a bit more. Specifically the erectile dysfunction aspect of it. I should add that, for unknown reasons, i do not appear to encounter erectile dysfunction on MDMA. I have also noted that while on 4-MMC i, likewise, seem to function as i normally would, if not a bit more sexually energized.

I have much compassion for those who are experiencing negative side effects. Please be as safe as you can.

The only time i encountered any form of erectile "dysfunction", if you would call it that, was after somewhere around 5 hours of relatively physically intense sex , several hours of dancing and about 12 hours after first ingestion. It appears to have been related to my dehydration more so than any direct effect of the drug itself.


To date i have found 4-MMC to be a compound that, while not a "true" aphrodisiac it does seem to amplify any sexual attraction that does already exists.

It won't make you sexually attracted to someone you would not normally find appealing, but if you are attracted to something before hand it will probably turn up the heat some. ;)

I do urge, as a final cautionary note, to try and keep your intake infrequent and on the low end of things. So maybe 1 g or less per session and for no more than 12 hours. While i have not noted any negative side effects, i do personally know people who have when they have done large amounts or done it very often. I am keeping my use to once every 3-6 months at most, however i can see how some folks might find it very difficult to control dosing. It can be quite seductive, so pay attention to yourselves and your f(r)iends! ;)

When i had a recent health check-up my blood pressure was considered very healthy as well as all other health indices. I'm not drawing any firm conclusions from that, but nothing acute for me at least.

sighhill is your friend experiencing -all- of those side effects? Is she on any other medications? Do any other drugs? This might help. 4-MMC is water soluble and leaves your system pretty quick. There should not be any measurable amounts with a few days at most. Deep breathing is very helpful for high anxiety situations. Maybe have her look into pranayama as well.
 
Yes Alkaloid, my friend experiences ALL of those sides. Both days she felt those effects except I do not recall her saying or noticed anything about sensitivity to sound the day after the session.
Also, I observed, she seemed to have problems with self control during fits of anger and remorse the night after the use. She became angry because she felt the way she did and knew what mainly caused it. (I don't know what to call it so I'm going to say delusions, so correct me please) She seemed to have delusions of words said and actions and at times I think she didn't know what was real. I observed this in what she mentioned earlier in waves through out the day after. I didn't see that so much of that today.

She takes two daily prescribed medications but I'm not sure of the names and rather have her consent to name them (so I might be editing if she's ok with naming them.) I do believe they might have been contributing factor.
I suggested her to call her doctor tomorrow to ask questions and atleast make an appointment at the end of the week just in case. She agreed to.

Currently sound asleep, so that's good. I will pass along your advice and it is well appreciated.
 
Good to know, Glenjih. Seems binging is the norm with this one.

The only time I ever experienced chest/arm pain and slight discoloration of the knees was when I downed a bunch of caffeine with meph, though it doesn't appear to mix well with weed either (for me). I'd caution against mixing it with ANY other stimulants or anything that makes the heart beat faster.
 
i still didnt recover from one time meph use, have chest pains arm pains, faster heart rate increases while changing position, anxiety, cant breath normal it has passed 5 months now
I got little better since then but not completly.
i really believe that it has messd up with my adrenergic receptors, becouse my heart rate is wierd, cant breath ( feels like I dont have to breathe, or like i dont breath any air), chest pains etc,


first i thought i have heart problems, but i made ecg, echo of my heart and its ok for now.
i hope i wont have permanent problem with this and will recover.
i didnt use any drogs since then,
one time i drunk a lot of vine and next day i talmost went to ER becouse my heart was racing all day over 120bpm, benzos didnt help eather

i will start do a lot of exercises and hopefully get better
i dont want to live like this till the end of my life,

I have suecidel thoughts everyday.

doctors are telling me i have vegetative nervous system bad and im i think the same now,, i stoped being hypohondric about my heart problems, and im little better
i would cry like a baby if i would wake up one day and feel normal,
now im waking up like someone has beated my chest at night, almost everyday, i get depresed. :(
(sorry 4 my bad english!)
 
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Hi,

I've never found mephedrone to be too bad a substance healthwise either.. The binging is terrible and can knock your body off kilter for a day or two but as far as long term effects I havent noticed anything.

I was taking mephedrone from the start (about 2 - 2.5 years ago - all powder no crystal back then I seem to recall) and during my peak was easily going through over a gram a day, followed by weekly binges of upto 6/7g over the couse of a couple of days. This persiod of heavy usage lasted around 3 months.

I did notice through to lack of sleep I would get a kind narcolepsy randomly during the day when I would totally blank out and and immediately enter almost enter a deep sleep. I had to snap myself out of bigtime when at work!!

Another type of sleep disorder I developed was waking up totally paralysed and unable to move. These night tremors were quite scary and after some research I found out they can be quite common with people who starve them selves of sleep due to amphetamine abuse.

Also used to notice some strange visual distortions for the day following a big binge.. The center of my vision would 'swirl around' and become very out of focus, and at the edges of my vision there would be some fractal patterns fading in an out of site.

I have now been off the mcat for around 6 months and didnt have no problems really with quitting it. My supply was getting a bit poor, and I felt it was right to quit - so I did. Had a few sleepness nights, and a few close calls where I nearly got some but apart from that pretty easy sailing.
 
In my opinion the most addictive aspect if Mcat is the price. When legal in this country, if you bought bulk, you could get 80% pure for £3 a gram which is just an insane price, very much like when coke first came onto the scene decades ago. It's very very difficult to resist when it's sitting there waiting for you.
 
hey there sighhill any more reports on your friend? Hopefully she is doing alright.

I'm in agreement with lady codone. I would not mix mephedrone with other stimulants. Some of the speed freaks might be ok with combinations, but i do recommend against that course of action.
 
Had a interesting reaction to 4-mmc recently. I am 90kg, consumed 450mg 4-mmc orally and am fairly experienced with 4-mmc and other stimulants. Within two hours I developed uvulitis (the ball in your throat, extremely swollen). The next day the uvulitis persisted and I assumed it was related to dehydration. After treating for dehydration for two days the uvulitis did not pass. NSAIDS helped, but did not quite solve the issue. I tested my blood counts to ruled out infection. After three days of uvulitis I started myself on a regime of Prednisone and the uvulitis subsided immediately. I am of the opinion that the uvulitis was viral and unrelated to the 4-mmc, but wanted to see if anyone else had similar experiences.
 
Follow up to my last report regarding uvulitis. After a week all symptoms passed and medication was discontinued. 4-MMC was tested again, same dose and similar conditions did not result in a recurrence.
 
ive recently had 60 day binge on 4-MMC (i realize my irresponsibiliy and i plan on never touching the substance again) and its been about four days since i last dosed....I want to say first that i have never had discolouration, but i did strain a jaw muscle and had to recover from that for three weeks, my muscles ache and i fainted once from a massive dissasociating vasospasm, i also shit blood on the last day of my binging as my favorite way to consume drone is to eat it(i also plugged about 8times and it was beautiful) that is not to say though ihadnt snorted massive amounts. Sometimes 600mg at once went up my nose and i have discoverd a hole inside my left nostril, its healing nicely... but my largest concern is that the last four days of my binge my spine and joints began to ache and so far my spine has been killing me. it feels like the discs between my vertabrea have worn down almost like they are grinding..ive had back pain issues all my life but this is keeping me from sleeping through the night..ive made arrangements to see my Doctor this week though im not sure she will be able to do much.

side note: i reccomend anybody wanting to try this substance to seriously reconsider..
 
60 day binge.. what the fuck.

people need to develop some control and self respect for their well being. thats stupid crazy behavior. wouldn't be surprised if your heart is fucked after that
 
think about it- that would mean no sleep, what is more likely was excessive daily use. even speed freaks take breaks to sleep and eat.

still 600mg in one go is brutal

all in all a really nasty drug
 
commanderK-hole said:
ive recently had 60 day binge on 4-MMC (i realize my irresponsibiliy and i plan on never touching the substance again) and its been about four days since i last dosed....I want to say first that i have never had discolouration, but i did strain a jaw muscle and had to recover from that for three weeks, my muscles ache and i fainted once from a massive dissasociating vasospasm, i also shit blood on the last day of my binging as my favorite way to consume drone is to eat it(i also plugged about 8times and it was beautiful) that is not to say though ihadnt snorted massive amounts. Sometimes 600mg at once went up my nose and i have discoverd a hole inside my left nostril, its healing nicely... but my largest concern is that the last four days of my binge my spine and joints began to ache and so far my spine has been killing me. it feels like the discs between my vertabrea have worn down almost like they are grinding..ive had back pain issues all my life but this is keeping me from sleeping through the night..ive made arrangements to see my Doctor this week though im not sure she will be able to do much.

side note: i reccomend anybody wanting to try this substance to seriously reconsider..
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60 day binge?
that is just insane
 
this shit

My mate and i took it for about 4-5 months at least twice a week and a few nights ago we got on it, and he had about a gram snorted in to his body, ended up having a seizer and taken to hospital. They said he was close to have a heart attack and hes a healthy young guy were never doing it again every one needs to sort it out.
 
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