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Mephedrone Addiction

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Just to pick up on one line of this thread

"Most people didn't give a shit in the 80's when they were taking MDMA and most people still don't give a shit today when taking new chemicals"

In the 80's we didnt have advanced drug discussion forums where people who really know what they are talking about break down a chemical and explain how it works.

We do now and most forums all point out that Meph is toxic, people today have these warnings and they are ignoring them which imoh is different.
 
^ And MDMA already had at least 30 years of human use and research (albeit relatively limited) behind it by the 80s. Many people who took it may well not have been aware, but it was a known drug with known effects and side-effects even then.
 
Honestly. This stuff can be pretty addictive. I have been using this substance for quite a while now, more then a year, and constantly had my use under control (like 2 grams a month max. on 1 or 2 occassions, sometimes maybe a little more or less).

But when handling large amounts ... this stuff can get pretty tempting, also because it's so damn cheap. Normally I am pretty good at keeping my use under control, but the past few months I started going a bit overboard. I seized usage for a while, before I might get addicted. I can imagine people can seriously get addicted to this, I have tried a pretty large amount of drugs in my life and until now only nicotine truly lead to an addiction.

I'd say it's on par with coke and amphetamines as for addiction. Can be nice, but take care with this one. Especially since it is so wide available in damn pure forms (compared to street drugs).

And funny to hear about those brain zaps ... After a heavy weekend I get the same thing on monday or tuesday. Often combined with some form of sleep paralysis, when I lay on my bed I sometimes get in a state in which I can't move and am half awake .... it's pretty damn scarying and it takes a while to get control over your body again. Last time this happened it was after a heavy weekend and while taking GHB, I was sitting behind my PC and slipped into a drowsy state ... had no control over my musscles anymore and saw my head bending over. I was hanging there with my eyes closed, everything dark and my head bent over. I felt really anxious, as it feels like you are constantly falling and can hit the ground in an awkward position any time.

Never had anything like sleep paralysis before. It is said that sleep deprivation causes this, but the funny thing is that I never binge on meph. It's not a drug that makes me stay up all night. Well, maybe stay up all night lol, but eventually go to bed in the morning ... I never feel like this on mephedrone. I have been awake for 72 hours with amphetamines before, and that never caused anything effect like this ever before.

humm.
 
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mushroompie said:
Honestly. This stuff can be pretty addictive. I have been using this substance for quite a while now, more then a year, and constantly had my use under control (like 2 grams a month max. on 1 or 2 occassions, sometimes maybe a little more or less).

But when handling large amounts ... this stuff can get pretty tempting, also because it's so damn cheap. Normally I am pretty good at keeping my use under control, but the past few months I started going a bit overboard. I seized usage for a while, before I might get addicted. I can imagine people can seriously get addicted to this, I have tried a pretty large amount of drugs in my life and until now only nicotine truly lead to an addiction.

I'd say it's on par with coke and amphetamines as for addiction. Can be nice, but take care with this one. Especially since it is so wide available in damn pure forms (compared to street drugs).

And funny to hear about those brain zaps ... After a heavy weekend I get the same thing on monday or tuesday. Often combined with some form of sleep paralysis, when I lay on my bed I sometimes get in a state in which I can't move and am half awake .... it's pretty damn scarying and it takes a while to get control over your body again. Last time this happened it was after a heavy weekend and while taking GHB, I was sitting behind my PC and slipped into a drowsy state ... had no control over my musscles anymore and saw my head bending over. I was hanging there with my eyes closed, everything dark and my head bent over. I felt really anxious, as it feels like you are constantly falling and can hit the ground in an awckward position any time.

Never had anything like sleep paralysis before. It is said that sleep deprivation causes this, but the funny thing is that I never binge on meph. It's not a drug that makes me stay up all night. Well, maybe stay up all night lol, but go to bed in the morning ... I never feel like this on mephedrone. I have been awake for 72 hours with amphetamine before, and that never caused anything like this. Not really worrying, but very weird.

humm.
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I've been getting this exact thing alot lately. I feel like I'm falling asleep, yet I'm still there only its like I'm not coming out of it for a second, scary indeed! I almost have to fight it to physically pull myself out of it. Weird as hell. And I don't use much meph anymore, I've been doing a few real pills most weekends. But last weekend I did 2gr of meph over the weekend and I've still been getting the brain zaps today and feel tired. Although I was up till 9am on Sat after Friday night then 6am on Sun after Saturday night :\

Got a party this weekend but I'll be sticking to the pills I think :)
 
There's something weird with this side effect. I have read a few reports where people seem to be describing the same symptons. It took a while for me to find out what this sympton exactly was until I saw a Dutch description of sleep paralysis that exactly matched what I was experiencing. Mephedrone certainly does something weird with your sleeping pattern I think.

Ah well. I am taking a break for a while to reconsider things and lower tolerance again. After all, it is a stimulant and worst of all an RC stimulant. Stimulants are something you should always take extra care for, they can be pretty destructive when used careless.
 
mushroompie said:
And funny to hear about those brain zaps ... After a heavy weekend I get the same thing on monday or tuesday. Often combined with some form of sleep paralysis, when I lay on my bed I sometimes get in a state in which I can't move and am half awake .... it's pretty damn scarying and it takes a while to get control over your body again.
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I've had that off pills I think. Also had it from lack of sleep. Is really scary, luckily I only had it for a few seconds each time. Some people get it for a lot longer!
 
Rickyo said:
I've had that off pills I think. Also had it from lack of sleep. Is really scary, luckily I only had it for a few seconds each time. Some people get it for a lot longer!
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Sleep paralysis is great - if you like that sort of thing! :)

As others have mentioned, it is most likely due to a lack of / the replenishment of serotonin.

Old thread: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=262373
 
Guys, I don't know either of you, but my heart goes out to you in this time. Readiing this thead has bought tears to my eyes :( I really hope you are both okay, and can beat this; mephedrone seems to tick all the boxes as the worlds worst substance; for the first time I truly WANT a drug criminalised, and my opinions on legalisation of all substamnces is really changing.

You're in my distant Aussie thoughts :) Much love to you, be strong and quit this stuff.

Take care :):)<3
 
And MDMA already had at least 30 years of human use and research (albeit relatively limited) behind it by the 80s. Many people who took it may well not have been aware, but it was a known drug with known effects and side-effects even then.
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yes, but back in the 80's scientists where positive it would give you irreversible damage. There was evidence to back it up. Based on the evidence around then, people still took it.

And as for these chat rooms, yes, they exist today, but only a tiny fraction of recreational users would even consider looking here.

Most people back then and today only make informed choices from what they hear from mates and read in the paper / media

Anyways, i don't want to derail this thread. Angel / mugabe. Keep up the good work. Props on the very honest blog.
 
I thought the "evidence" for MDMA causing brain damage was highly debatable even in the 80s, Mutton? Meh. Kinda irrelevant as I doubt folks munching pills in the 80s/90s even considered it for the most part. Who's ever believed a word of governmental propaganda?

All besides the point and better saved for another thread though - hope things are going okay Mugabe & Angel. Check in with us when you can :)<3
 
Just thought I'd drop in and say hi again -- it's much much easier to use the computer now than it was earlier this week. Still not great - I wonder how long it will take for the circulation to return to my hands properly...

We're both doing really well. Still sleeping about 12 hours a night, and I'm still getting occasional brain zaps (thankfully no sleep paralysis after the first 2-3 days). Other than that though, great :) Tomorrow lunchtime marks a week since my last line.... and I'm so so so glad we stopped. I thought we'd both struggle without chemical fun, in an emotional "what the fuck do we do now?" way, but it's been fine. Turns out we get along pretty well sans-drug :)

<3<3 to everyone for the support!! It's been crazy seeing how many people care - even if it's just a post or a blog comment -- all massively appreciated. :)
I hope that anyone who is having trouble with this stuff can take heart from the fact that there is light at the end of the tunnel! Of course, I still have to try "real life"without meph when I go back to work next week, but for now I'm really pleased with how things are going. <3
 
Keep up the good work guys! And remember the human body has incredible powers of healing both physical and psychological, will feel totally normal eventually.
 
Most of the 'evidence' for MDMA damage is flawed, government funded bollocks. If MDMA does cause damage, I think a lot more people would be reporting it. I've used MDMA very heavily, in the past, and don't feel like it's done any damage.

Well done to both of you. Sorry for the off-topic stuff. :)
 
^I know a few who abused it to extremes and it seriously affected their personality/sanity for a while. I also had and still have an irregular heartbeat after abusing it some years ago, not sure if this was preexisting or not though

The worst 'e-tard' seems to be much better now though

You're both doing really well btw :)
 
It makes sense that mdma will do _some_ damage. I mean I'd imagine it is unlikely that it isn't doing a bit of harm to our brains.

The thing is, that all these studies (and the media) have told us that the damage is huge, and this is where my worries get out of hand because I believe that I can significantly damage my brain from one heavy session. Although I am starting to get past that fear now.
 
Rickyo said:
It makes sense that mdma will do _some_ damage. I mean I'd imagine it is unlikely that it isn't doing a bit of harm to our brains.

The thing is, that all these studies (and the media) have told us that the damage is huge, and this is where my worries get out of hand because I believe that I can significantly damage my brain from one heavy session. Although I am starting to get past that fear now.
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If it did that much damage in one session all ppl that were addicted to mephedrone would have been retarded by now.
Dont worry about it that much;)
 
Never felt any lasting damage from MDMA/'Pills' despite some fairly heavyweight abuse in the last decade, likewise dont really feel much damage being done from meph use.

Alcohol is the only drug I've abused where I can consciously equate the habit to specific loss of memory, physical function failures and long-term health effects (more long term than just looking a bit pasty after a hard session, at least)
 
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