Shambles
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As pointed out above, you can't feel any damage done. Feeling shit doesn't mean harm has been caused anymore than feeling fine means it hasn't.
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Mephedrone Addiction
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perfect haze
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Yeah well it's as good a canary in a cage as anything else I can think of, short of keeping a medical team at your beckoned call 24/7, unless you prescribe to that abstinence philosophy which is kinda redundant anyway.
Shambles
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Abstinence?!? How dare you - please don't use such foul and offensive language in EADD 
There are degrees of harm though (which is kinda the point of BL). MDMA is non-addictive and relatively harmless. Meph appears to be very addictive/compulsive and extremely harmful. Many report the latter feeling like it's doing less damage when it's fairly obvious to all that it's the other way round. How you feel after using something just isn't a very reliable way of knowing how much damage is being done but if folks educate themselves to the risks they can hopefully make better choices regarding their intoxicants of choice... in theory at least - not always so simple, I know![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
There are degrees of harm though (which is kinda the point of BL). MDMA is non-addictive and relatively harmless. Meph appears to be very addictive/compulsive and extremely harmful. Many report the latter feeling like it's doing less damage when it's fairly obvious to all that it's the other way round. How you feel after using something just isn't a very reliable way of knowing how much damage is being done but if folks educate themselves to the risks they can hopefully make better choices regarding their intoxicants of choice... in theory at least - not always so simple, I know
Quire frightening when you think about - how many people are out there caining this stuff. The media used to talk about the generations of "ecstasy" abusers having problems down the line; maybe mephedrone actually will produce these problems.
How much mephedrone have you taken Shambles? I get the impression you did take a bit before hearing the news that it really is bad? Are you concerned about what you have taken?
Shambles
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I've not really used all that much of the stuff to be honest, Rick. Few grams here and there but never especially enjoyed the effects. The dodginess of it is just another reason not to use it but even if it were totally harmless I wouldn't really bother using it cos it's a bit shit anyway. Not overly concerned about any damage done as I really haven't used all that much and doubt I'll use much more in the future. Would be rather unfortunate if after abusing the shit out of just about everything it was few poxy lil grams of a poxy lil drug here and there that brought me down. Would be most annoyed
angelsmoke
Bluelighter
No offence taken - and yes, I have thought about it - it might just be the heads up that people need. Or it might be an open blessing to carry on mephin' away, hah.
How do you go about it though? I can imagine a GP just saying "oh, you're not dead yet, fuck off". I guess I can pull out the I HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE stick. Thoughts?
brokenbrain
Bluelighter
Don't you just go in and say that you have never had a full physical before and you have been a bit paranoid about what potential health conditions you may have inflicted on yourself with alcohol and drug use, although you are currently not abusing stuff. Fucker should bring it all on!Isn't the point of a DR's to be ULTIMATE harm reduction? Why else do so many give out benzos regularly still? Its because they know the individual patient and recognise that this person has to currently take them (although they will constantly offer advice on how to reduce and eventually come off them if they are any good).
brokenbrain
Bluelighter
Mr Nutz we all know that is the most obvious thing to say, but just perhaps they are in love? Just perhaps they really get on well?
However if they end up being co-dependents on a couple more drugs then most likely the whole of EADD will be saying "GIVE EACH OTHER THE BIG FUCKING HEAVE HO"....until that point you have to respect their wishes. Its not up to us to decide is it?....until they are selling themselves in the park for brown and rocks, then we go down to Narnia and give em some real help!
However if they end up being co-dependents on a couple more drugs then most likely the whole of EADD will be saying "GIVE EACH OTHER THE BIG FUCKING HEAVE HO"....until that point you have to respect their wishes. Its not up to us to decide is it?....until they are selling themselves in the park for brown and rocks, then we go down to Narnia and give em some real help!
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B9
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The chances are that you'll get a standard " frightener" response from any GP. Mentioning that you have health insurance might either invalidate or substantially increase the premiums if you're upfront about your useage of unresearched chemicals for purely hedonistic purposes.
Anyway good luck with keeping occupied & off the gear.
brokenbrain
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Why do you have to pay for this? What the fuck is the NHS for? I reckon if I asked for everything up to a brainscan I might get it for zero. Could be way wrong of course. As it happens its time for a tune up and I do have things wrong with me anyway, so I expect I could get it all for free.
And to the person who asked if they had had checkups, I did after my binge. I had an ECG after doing about a gram a day for two weeks and it was fine. Oxygen levels were fine. Blood pressure was normal. This was 6 hours after doing about 2 grams in total in my final major binge on meph. The slightly purple colored knees however lasted a good few weeks but the doctor said it looked just like nomal bad circulation and nothing to be worried about (as my feet and hands were largely OK)
angelsmoke
Bluelighter
Aye, maybe, but they paid for me to see a psychiatrist and subsequently psychologist when I was having troubles with alcohol. But then I guess alcohol problems don't provoke the kneejerk "DRUGS!!! BAD!!!" reaction, whereas RC abuse would.
I got LFTs on the NHS following that, so maybe they would just agree if I was upfront about it.
If it was a known drug with known cardiotoxic issues, I expect they'd test me up to the hilt. But since it's an unresearched unknown, they'd probably just belittle my concerns and send me on my way. Perhaps they worry that an 'all clear' will be a carte blanche to meph away.
angelsmoke
Bluelighter
Well done you two, keep it up
I found that my sleep pattern was all over the shop after I stopped binging on meph as I would sometimes stay up for days. This took a good few weeks to return to normality.
Thanks!
Yeah - I really, really struggled and felt completely horrific when I tried to carry on a normal life after overdoing it for a few weeks. This time I didn't even attempt normality.... I was awake for about 5 hours a day for the first 3-4 days off it!
Thanks for the info on the ECG too. I still think it'd be worth checking out, if I can.
Yep exactly, as soon as the doctor didn't find meph on his NHS system he seemed to loose interest and not really know what to suggest other than I would be fine and not to worry. Which I was in the long run ... but I was worried at the time with some of my symptoms.
this poster at drugs forum has some useful info to share, there has apperantly been a death due to mephedrone recorded in the NHS toxbase system and thats about it;
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=701399&postcount=86
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