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Mental Kenny, One Week in Intensive Care, Almost Dead, Diphenidine, Warning-Achtung!!

FAAAAAAAACKKKKKKKKKKK Kenny!!!!! 8( 8( 8( 8( 8(

... I'm so so glad that you're still with us you fucking cunt! (I say that in a loving way <3 )
Don't have anything else to say other than I'm glad I didn't touch this and I hope others will fucking take note and just leave it be!

<3 Stay shitting safe all of you <3
 
Fuuck that sounds crazy Mental Kenny, I'm glad you made it through, must have been a horrendous experience! :( I've decided to get rid of my remaining diphenidine, been considering it for a while after hearing stories similar to yours from other people as well as having less serious but still unpleasant experiences with it myself. The high just isn't worth the risk. My stuff seems to have come from the same vendor as you got yours from as well, no idea if it's the same batch as got mine a while ago but it doesn't bode well if they've been that careless in sending out contaminated products...
 
felix said:
Thank god you made it, Kenny. That's a hell of an ordeal.

As for giving out the name of the vendor... we all know that you're not supposed to mention vendors on the public board, but you have a PM system that no-one else can read. :|

Get well soon. :)
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reading between the lines anyone who already knows who the vendor is will easily be able to identify them from the posts that are just about veiled enough to not be breaking the sourcing/vendor naming rule.

Couldn't exceptions be made to that rule in cases like this anyway where vendors clearly dont give a shit about anything but the money? At least the better RC sites advise you 'conduct thorough research as the materials can be extremely dangerous if handled incorrectly', or words to that effect, for examaple like when Etaqualone was on sale at one point.

All this makes the UK governments response to legal highs look pretty shamefull, they keep banning the ones that have become tried and tested and generally regarded as safe, MXE for instance, and then the vendors simply replace a relatively safe product with 2 newer ones that have already acquired an horrific safety record.:\
 
I was just talking in PM about this & wishing there was some body overseeing RC vendors so that I could knock up a report. If this is the vendor I think it is, they've been making mistakes for a long time & someone need to be given a heads up about them.

There was & still is however no reason whatsoever to assume that MXE was anywhere near safe. I have been hearing reports of bladder harm & this problem seems to be appearing much sooner than it did with Ketamine users.
 
MXE has some nephrotic metabolytes too, my drug worker reasearched properly, doing lab tests and taking in reports of hospitalization.

Back in 2011 when I was doing MXE a lot I used to have kidney pain and dark piss, it was definately not good for the kidneys.

Still miles safer than MXP or Diph.

Anyway I can't stop crying, can't sleep and can't eat. Fuck. I managed to fall asleep for half an hour last night after my bedtime lorazepam, just had a nightmare about being on a sinking ship, with cold water raising and rats eating me alive. Woke up with restless legs and spent the rest of the night with cold sweats, anxiety and mild visual hallucinations.

Meh, it's a long way to recovery
 
Kenny, the more I hear about what you're going through, the sadder I get. Yet much respect for you for having retained your strength of character and sense of humour throughout. That's proper guts. Kudos. :)

As for MXE and kidney damage, I know I abused it daily (with constant redosing) for a long time, and my kidney function tests always come up in the 'excellent' category. Admittedly I haven't taken MXE in a while, and it may just be genetics.
 
Just so everyone knows, the vendor that Kenny has dealt with & the one I am referring to in my posts further up are not the same vendor. Although obviously dodgy, they are not implicated in the other BL fatalities I was referring to.

Seems dodgy practices are common throughout the RC supply scene though... shocking... ;)
 
Send a sample to WEDINOS to find out if it's just Diphenidine or something else, also stop mixing it with tons of other drugs maybe..
 
Mental Kenny said:
Diphenidine definately isn't the healthiest thing out there but I reckon this particular batch is particularly dodgy.
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Not to say that it wasn't dodgy but what makes you assume that with the dosage you took? You took 20x what's considered an active dose, and 10x what's considered by a lot of people to already be a fairly high dose. Considering how crazy steep the dose response curve is with Diphenidine, with 120mg being more like 2x as strong as 100mg and so on - taking around 1000mg in total *NOT* putting someone in hospital would absolutely blow my mind..
 
Jesusgreen said:
Not to say that it wasn't dodgy but what makes you assume that with the dosage you took? You took 20x what's considered an active dose, and 10x what's considered by a lot of people to already be a fairly high dose. Considering how crazy steep the dose response curve is with Diphenidine, with 120mg being more like 2x as strong as 100mg and so on - taking around 1000mg in total *NOT* putting someone in hospital would absolutely blow my mind..
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Although I'm not excusing a ridiculous 480mg dose of Diphenidine, I don't think Kenny ate an entire gram. Perhaps you confused the rather dangerous half gram Ethylphenidate dose with the Diphenidine dose, Jesus..?

Mental Kenny said:
Last thursday I did about half a g of ethylphenidate during the day, followed by ten 4mgs flubromazepams tablets and 5 or 6 diclazepam 1mg pills. Then I had a few beers, a spliff and dropped 480mgs of Diphenidine for my night trip.

The next thing I know it's late friday afternoon, I'm in intensive care/ER, with a tube sticking out of my dick, nose, mouth, and about a dozen of those plastic needles sticking out of my arms. I hear the doctor tell my mother "look don't get your hopes up, your son has 90% chance of not surviving the night".
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Si Ingwe said:
Although I'm not excusing a ridiculous 480mg dose of Diphenidine, I don't think Kenny ate an entire gram. Perhaps you confused the rather dangerous half gram Ethylphenidate dose with the Diphenidine dose, Jesus..?
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^ My bad, aye I read that as two doses of Diphenidine, still a huge amount though, considering I've seen 200mg knock someone flat out unconscious, and I've seen someone on the more sensitive side overwhelmed by just 85mg, it's still a bloody huge amount (even with tolerance, because we have to remember that tolerance to positive effects and tolerance to negative side effects don't always scale evenly, so just having a high tolerance doesn't always make such high doses any safer).

Plus, to be honest, considering that Diphenidine is likely dopaminergic (and possibly serotonergic too) akin to PCP and its analogues, 0.5g of Ethylphenidate + 480mg of Diphenidine to me honestly sounds a lot more dangerous than 1g of Diphenidine in itself, which would already be insane, so I still honestly don't see anything likely fishy here. Regular doses of PCP and its many analogues + a solid dose of a stimulant can spell a nasty psych ward/hospital trip, huge doses make the odds almost infinitely against your favour, and with Diphenidine's super steep dose curve I reckon the risk is going to be even higher at these kinds of doses especially.

In the interest of curiosity it would of course be worth getting some of the Diphenidine in question and the EPH sent off to Wedinos for testing, but the doses were dangerous to begin with and nothing out of the ordinary really happened for the doses taken. I'm just glad things didn't go worse than they did - I've been in those shoes, taking crazy silly doses and combos, and sometimes it takes an event like this to shake you out of it. :)
 
Jesusgreen said:
Regular doses of PCP and its many analogues + a solid dose of a stimulant can spell a nasty psych ward/hospital trip, huge doses make the odds almost infinitely against your favour, and with Diphenidine's super steep dose curve I reckon the risk is going to be even higher at these kinds of doses especially.

In the interest of curiosity it would of course be worth getting some of the Diphenidine in question and the EPH sent off to Wedinos for testing, but the doses were dangerous to begin with and nothing out of the ordinary really happened for the doses taken. I'm just glad things didn't go worse than they did - I've been in those shoes, taking crazy silly doses and combos, and sometimes it takes an event like this to shake you out of it. :)
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I didn't think hammering a monster dose of Diph on the same-ish day as hammering 500mg of Ethylphenidate was much helthier sounding than two rather dangerously large Diphenidine doses on their own might have been.

Are the risks physical as well as psychological? What sort of physical danger might such a combination pose? Is it likely to be Kidney failure?
 
Si Ingwe said:
I didn't think hammering a monster dose of Diph on the same-ish day as hammering 500mg of Ethylphenidate was much helthier sounding than two rather dangerously large Diphenidine doses on their own might have been.

Are the risks physical as well as psychological? What sort of physical danger might such a combination pose? Is it likely to be Kidney failure?
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Kidney failure is certainly a possibility from such amounts that I'd be concerned about - other things would be blood pressure/heart issues, psychosis, seizures, etc, I can think of a whole host of problems that could arise with huge doses. I think partly the problem is as UK folks we all grew up on Ketamine as our go to dissociative, something you can cane grams of fairly safely.. yeah you'll do your bladder in and such over time, but it was hard to do a dose too big that'd hospitalise you or whatever. With MXE that was no longer the case, and the more stimulating/closer to PCP-like substances seem to carry even more risk.

I don't think there's any reason to avoid them altogether or fear them, and I'm still a huge fan of the likes of 3-MeO-PCP and the 'Phenidines myself :D but there definitely should be more care taken with them than with the likes of Ketamine (and even than with MXE etc, especially with how weird the dose curve is with Diphenidine and MXP) if we're to prevent more incidents like these happening. I think it's harder for some of us than others, I never necessarily felt the compulsion to go to such excess with the phenidines but I know quite a few people personally who have redosed them as much as they would with say Ketamine, and that doesn't seem like a good idea. So it might be in the best interest of safety to separate out a maximum amount you wish to use in a night, and for people to never exceed 150-200mg - For those looking to go way higher, the Phenidines aren't the dissociatives to go to if you want 100% dissociation like Ketamine, they're better for those more lucid in-body dissociated experiences akin to those on PCP and 3-MeO-PCP :)

Regardless of all of that though, if there are still doubts as to the authenticity I recommend sending some off to Wedinos, because while 500mg~ of Diphenidine in combo with stims and other drugs is a dosage that's going to cause the majority of people problems if they repeat it, and the purity of the Diphenidine won't make a whole lot of difference at such a dose, it'll make a more noticeable difference to people taking regular doses - people who'd be fine normally but who might be in danger if purity is an issue.
 
I've stuck a warning thread up on PR - I suspect it's not that common a substance so I feel that putting a vendors name to the thread 'could' be counter productive.
 
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