Mental Conditioning

[methyldreams]

people like me dont need words when Streetcow and Erikmen can do it so well alreadty

 

[Xorkoth]

I would say to explore yourself through meditation intense self discipline with things such as workouts and martial arts constantly contitioning yourself to pain both physical and mentally things such as knifes lighters blunt objects (ect) and also doing things like constantly telling your self you did this wrong you suck and calling yourself things that would be very extreme (remember you have to believe it when you tell your self other wise it won't work) i would also recommend watch horrible horrible things such as forcing yourself to watch people being brutally murdered/tortured or the scariest horror movie that you can think of (ect) well I hope this helps (I know it works from experience I have scars the scars to prove it both physically and mentally)

-Streetcow

Are you being serious? If so, this is approximately the worst advice I have seen in 27.14 days.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I would say to explore yourself through meditation intense self discipline with things such as workouts and martial arts constantly contitioning yourself to pain both physical and mentally things such as knifes lighters blunt objects (ect) and also doing things like constantly telling your self you did this wrong you suck and calling yourself things that would be very extreme (remember you have to believe it when you tell your self other wise it won't work) i would also recommend watch horrible horrible things such as forcing yourself to watch people being brutally murdered/tortured or the scariest horror movie that you can think of (ect) well I hope this helps (I know it works from experience I have scars the scars to prove it both physically and mentally)

-Streetcow

YO!!!!!
High five bro... finally someone that agrees with me.
Shit, you figured it out.

 

[Xorkoth]

I don't know your minds, nor can I be sure I have anything figured out, but that approach just seems to me to be incredibly tragic and destructive to the self. There are positive and healthy ways to condition yourself mentally too. I can't conceive of self-torture or forced exposure to horrific and violent things as being anything but harmful.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

I don't know your minds, nor can I be sure I have anything figured out, but that approach just seems to me to be incredibly tragic and destructive to the self. There are positive and healthy ways to condition yourself mentally too. I can't conceive of self-torture or forced exposure to horrific and violent things as being anything but harmful.

That kind of thinking is the reason why most people who try conversion therapy fail.

They wanna be happy and mentally healthy more than they wanna change. If you are serious about changing who you are, it should be more important than your psychological well-being. You need to stand up and say, "I deserve this. I deserve all of this. Every moment of pain that I've ever inflicted on myself and ever has happened to me. I need to be heterosexual to not deserve this suffering anymore"
If someone can't say that to themselves and believe it, and suffer for it, they'll never change.

 

[Xorkoth]

But if you're happy and mentally healthy, why do you need to change? is it maybe just some ingrained thought or prejudice that is making you think you want to change? Why on earth would you want to change something about yourself if the result is being less happy and mentally healthy?

 

[psychedelicsoul]

But if you're happy and mentally healthy, why do you need to change? is it maybe just some ingrained thought or prejudice that is making you think you want to change? Why on earth would you want to change something about yourself if the result is being less happy and mentally healthy?

Because if you can get through it, then you'll be even more happy. You'd be much happier than you would be before. Some people are disgusted by their desires by nature. That's not something exclusive to gay people. A lot of people have sexual desires they themselves find disguting.

Why should you change your sexuality? I don't know, religion, self-image (Do you want your ideal self to be gay or straight? Only the individual can decide that), parents, friends, whatever... I don't care why people wanna do it. Because after you do, you get a since of pride and joy. Some people would rather die than be gay. Which is fine. Suicide is an equally valid choice, and I respect that.
If you think it's wrong to be gay or bi, then it is. All self-hating gay people are correct in their self hate. However, all who hate others are wrong.

Now the process of changing is where all the pain and suffering is. However, the result of changing is a sense of joy and satisfaction. It just makes you feel free. You have to deprive yourself of happiness and submerge yourself with misery, in order to find a greater joy.

 

[CosmicG]

In my opinion absolutely. This what they do to young men and women that join the military in boot camp. Break you down then build you from the bottom up, into what they want. The society we grow up in will play a huge role in one's thinking, feeling, reacting, conditioning. It is a natural instinct for a human being to become what he or she is not simply to survive or to serve a purpose.

Take going to prison for a non-violent crime then being locked up with non-violent offenders. That person is either going to have to learn to adapt to his surroundings by reconditioning himself/herself to think and act a certain way or they are not going to make it. It is those that cannot make these adaptations that do not make it in this world. Survival of the fittest I suppose. Everyone has strengths and weaknesses.

It's certainly possible to recondition anyone to be anything. Take PTSD, whatever the cause, that event that occurred changed that person in a way, affecting their condition and perception on life.

We block out pain as a means to survive and live more comfortable lives.

 

[Xorkoth]

Indeed it's possible and happens all the time. My question is, is this the appropriate way to condition people to maximize mental and emotional health? Should one purposely inflict self-harm to achieve a mental change? The idea seems extremely sad to me. True, it happens, but it would be great if it didn't have to. In the prison example (I assume you meant a non-violent offender locked up with violent offenders), there is probably no choice in the matter, you adapt or die. In PS's case, there was a choice and it seems to me there's a better way to be happy with yourself than torturing the homosexuality out of yourself.

 

[BornAgainYogi]

@psychedlicsoul I'd point out some possibly engrained form of thinking that lead you to believe pain is good. Some unconscious patterns reveal the self in subtle and abstract ways. I understand that it's important to accept the dark and amputated parts of ones psyche but your methods are out of the norm not the psychiatric field's.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Indeed it's possible and happens all the time. My question is, is this the appropriate way to condition people to maximize mental and emotional health? Should one purposely inflict self-harm to achieve a mental change? The idea seems extremely sad to me. True, it happens, but it would be great if it didn't have to. In the prison example (I assume you meant a non-violent offender locked up with violent offenders), there is probably no choice in the matter, you adapt or die. In PS's case, there was a choice and it seems to me there's a better way to be happy with yourself than torturing the homosexuality out of yourself.

Not really... I believe homosexuality is a spiritual affliction. Think about it. They have higher rates of mental illness and suicide. Higher than African Americans, who have faced far more persecution than gays will ever come to know in this country. Homosexuality isn't the only thing christians condemn, so unless you wanna imply that gay people are all weak, people need to stop using christians as a scapegoat and blaming them for the suicide rates of gays.
Even when churches and exorcists come together in hopes of purifying their souls and allowing them to love themselves. However, even that is condemned as "bigotry". God made more heterosexual people and gave humans natural repulsion towards homosexuality. Homophobia is natural and was put in man by God. I believe being bisexual made me a spiritually inferior human being and was the cause of stress and anxiety.
Maybe it isn't for you, but it was a spiritual defect that kept me farther from finding inner peace

I'm not talking psychiatry, I'm talking spirituality.

 

[Xorkoth]

Investigate why you feel this way, because I find the idea ridiculous. There's no deific god putting ideas in peoples' heads, this feeling came from somewhere else. The persecution that homosexuals face is different than the persecution of ethnic groups, because very often there is no true support even within a person's own family and friends. It's a different issue.

Why do you constantly mention the suicide rates of homosexuals anyway? Specifically the suicide rates, along with, often, a statement that you don't care about whether it goes up, and putting the blame on them.

For real though, be real with yourself for a second about this because it seems like it's a real issue in your life, and it doesn't have to be.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Investigate why you feel this way, because I find the idea ridiculous. There's no deific god putting ideas in peoples' heads, this feeling came from somewhere else.

Really... so religion caused me to think anal sex and dicks are gross... Really? I don't think lesbians are gross, but I'm sure some people do... I guess that's religions fault.
Why did religion condemn gays in the first place?

The persecution that homosexuals face is different than the persecution of ethnic groups, because very often there is no true support even within a person's own family and friends. It's a different issue.

It's also an issue that can be remedied through faith and religion, and isn't an issue unless the person chooses to come out. You don't wear homosexuality on your skin for the world to see

Why do you constantly mention the suicide rates of homosexuals anyway? Specifically the suicide rates, along with, often, a statement that you don't care about whether it goes up, and putting the blame on them.

I'm not "blaming" them. Blaming is what you do if you think somebody has done something wrong. I don't think the choice to commit suicide is wrong period, so there's nobody to "blame"

For real though, be real with yourself for a second about this because it seems like it's a real issue in your life, and it doesn't have to be.

I really feel, deep down in my soul, that not being straight hinders my path to true enlightenment. People have been fighting for generations to purify their own souls and help purify other souls.
The soul needs to be cleansed like the body does.

 

[nuttynutskin]

(Do you want your ideal self to be gay or straight? Only the individual can decide that)

Unless it's your hypothetical kids right? Then what are you going to suggest should they turn out to be gay? Would you also try to torture the gay out of them as you do yourself?

And as far as Christianity is concerned, EVERYONE is a sinner and it's only up to god to judge, not man. And a true Christian certainly would not condone people committing suicide. As much as you go on about Christianity you don't seem to have a firm grasp on it, and this is coming from someone who only has limited knowledge on the religion. Why don't you do yourself and everybody else a favor and instead of clogging up the forum with your hateful garbage go find a fucking therapist because you've obviously got some deep seeded psychological issues.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Unless it's your hypothetical kids right? Then what are you going to suggest should they turn out to be gay? Would you also try to torture the gay out of them as you do yourself?

My techniques can only be self-administrated. If a child was gay, I'd either tell them to do what I did, or seek a higher power.

And as far as Christianity is concerned, EVERYONE is a sinner and it's only up to god to judge, not man. And a true Christian certainly would not condone people committing suicide. As much as you go on about Christianity you don't seem to have a firm grasp on it, and this is coming from someone who only has limited knowledge on the religion. Why don't you do yourself and everybody else a favor and instead of clogging up the forum with your hateful garbage go find a fucking therapist because you've obviously got some deep seeded psychological issues.

Well that's funny, because I'm not a christian I have my own religion.

 

[nuttynutskin]

My techniques can only be self-administrated. If a child was gay, I'd either tell them to do what I did, or seek a higher power.

Great advice to give a kid...

Well that's funny, because I'm not a christian I have my own religion.

Well you mention Christianity about 100 times in the other thread. Either way what do you feel you're accomplishing here by making thread after thread about the same thing? Were you molested as a kid or something because that's what most of your posts read as.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Great advice to give a kid....

It is

Well you mention Christianity about 100 times in the other thread. Either way what do you feel you're accomplishing here by making thread after thread about the same thing? Were you molested as a kid or something because that's what most of your posts read as.

That's because I have certain elements of all religions incorporated in mine. Christianity happens to be the religion I'm most experianced with.

 

[ForEverAfter]

NSFW:

It is

No, it isn't.

Were you molested as a kid or something because that's what most of your posts read as.

Everybody here sees you - clear as day - psychedelic.
You're not a unique case. You're confused about your sexuality. You're lost.
We'd like to help you, but you're making it impossible.
Because: you cannot see yourself.

You want confirmation...
And what better way to convince yourself, than convincing others (which, hopefully, you're not doing).

I wish I could help you, man.
We all do, I think.
It's frustrating.

 

[psychedelicsoul]

Everybody here sees you - clear as day - psychedelic.
You're not a unique case. You're confused about your sexuality. You're lost.
We'd like to help you, but you're making it impossible.
Because: you cannot see yourself.

You want confirmation...
And what better way to convince yourself, than convincing others (which, hopefully, you're not doing).

I wish I could help you, man.
We all do, I think.
It's frustrating.

I know who I am... Honestly, if you're under the impression I'm the same sick little puke that deserved to die as I used to be then I see no need to continue this discussion.
You're too closed minded. The only sexual confusion here is the lies propagated by the psychiatric industry. I don't need some overpaid pill pushers to tell me who I am.

Also, are you an athiest? If so, then we should be done talking. It's stupid to discuss matters of spirit with matters of science. I'm not the only person I know who has changed their sexuality... I'm the only person I know who did it himself, but the church has helped other people and has broken through the lies implanted into our minds via the media
The reason why people can't change is because society and the media has brainwashed them into abandoning what makes us human. We live in a naturalistic, atheistic, amoral, nihilistic world that's allowed it's advances in technology to lead people away from spiritual peace. We've become soulless sheep existing for no reason but to serve the status quo and serve the progressive agenda. Why do you think LSD was made illegal? Because it woke people up.
Religion wakes people up.
What I did woke me up.
We've abandoned the world inside ourselves for materialism. Instead of soul searching and self-affirmation we rely on drugs... not for recreation but for basic functions. We rely on "specialists" to understand our own minds, rather than looking to ourselves. Therapy is a joke, and drugs only mask the symptoms. They don't cure people. Only we can cure ourselves. We've become so dependent on what's outside of us that we've become slaves to the nature that man was meant to control.

tl;dr
Materialism has rotten society and mankind has abandoned it's dominion over itself. I'm not brainwashed, the TV controlled sheep that mass media controls are. Scientists have been trying to destroy the faith man has in it's own soul.

 

[ForEverAfter]

O/T

NSFW:

if you're under the impression I'm the same sick little puke that deserved to die as I used to be

Why did you deserve to die?
Because you had same-sex tendencies?
Does everyone with same-sex tendencies, then, deserve to die?
(This is a perfect example of you implying hate on others.)

You're too closed minded.

Perhaps.

...

I'm (very much) not an atheist.
And, you don't sound you like you know God.