Member input: Thread Prefixes.

[beta1]

I don't think methadone should be grouped with buprenorphine. Mostly because I'd never try methadone. Methadone has NMDA antagonism with full mu-agonism, whereas buprenorphine is a partial mu-agonist and has a lot of other specific opiate activity, and is a better mu-opiate agonist in the form of its metabolite norbuprenorphine. I really think methadone and Suboxone/Subutex should have their own prefixes each.

Some might say they both should be categorized together because they're both maintenance drugs, but both methadone and buprenorphine have been and still are available for pain relief. That's just my opinion, I'd like to hear people's responses as to why methadone and buprenorphine should still be categorized together despite this.

Thats why.. The fact that they can be used for pain relief doesn't change the fact that most people want to research them both primarily for maintenance.

Prefixes are all about organization.. All that science concerning the differences between the two isn't understood by the bulk of new (or even many existing) users, so when discussing them strictly looking at the best way to organize, I don't see how any of that is really relevant.

 

[Jabberwocky]

Well I suggested possibly joining bupe and methadone mainly for "search" related reasons..

People interested in bupe are generally people interested in maintenance programs, people interested in methadone are also generally interested in maintenance programs. They are totally different drugs, but there is certainty some common ground amongst the bulk of people seeking information on either one (thus my inclination to combine them).

the problem with having a bupe/methadone prefix would be - given bupe is discussed a lot more here - people searching for methadone threads and having to sift through all the bupe related ones. i do like the idea though, just dont agree with it

if bupe/methadone was relation to a recovery(tapering/maintenance) prefixn then i could agree to joining them together. if methadone doesnt require its own prefix then i dont see the need for it to be joined in with bupe.

 

[beta1]

the problem with having a bupe/methadone prefix would be - given bupe is discussed a lot more here - people searching for methadone threads and having to sift through all the bupe related ones. i do like the idea though, just dont agree with it
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Well if its left the way it is now then you would have to sift through every other opiate thread (of which there are more of than bupe threads), basically I see methadone getting totally lost within the massive "opiate" prefix unless it has its own prefix or is combined with bupe..

 

[Jabberwocky]

its not going to get lost, itll still be right there with a search specific to methadone and those with methadone in the title can even be searched for specifically. weve also got the methadone mega thread. i personally am not seeing the need for a methadone prefix at this point in time with the amount of threads were receiving pertaining to it.

 

[beta1]

yeah obviously its up to all you OD mods in the end, just throwing in my 2 cents

 

[johanneschimpo]

and my 2 cents:


prefixes are extraneous and gaudy

 

[Jabberwocky]

^we could be make them all appear invisible like the (misc) prefix i still think they serve a visual purpose though, its helps different things stand out for me. itll take some time for everyone to fully adjust to the visual aspect.

yeah obviously its up to all you OD mods in the end, just throwing in my 2 cents

of course and we all appreciate that youve gone to the effort to express your thoughts. you brought up a good point that we havent concluded on yet. we do take everything into consideration from you guys, this doesnt all fall on deaf ears

 

[sixpartseven]

Well if its left the way it is now then you would have to sift through every other opiate thread (of which there are more of than bupe threads), basically I see methadone getting totally lost within the massive "opiate" prefix unless it has its own prefix or is combined with bupe..

But then all the codeine threads will get lost in the opiate prefix, and then all the meperidine threads, and then all the dihydrocodeine threads, and then all the morphine threads, and then all the fentanyl threads, and then....

Prefixes aren't here to make it so everyone will find exactly what they are looking for right off the bat. This isn't about eliminating the leg work - it's about making it easier. Yes, the opiate prefixes lumps a lot of drugs in together, but you are all missing the point: it may not make finding methadone threads easier because you have to sift through morphine, codeine, DHC, etc., but it separates it from cocaine, methamphetamine, benzos, etc., making it easier to find what you are looking for.

Think about what it was like to search for threads before prefixes. Anyone who says it wasn't a pain in the ass is either lying or has never tried searching for anything. Prefixes organize things a little better so searching is that much easier. Some of you are misunderstanding this.

Maybe some time down the road we will figure out a way to further organize things so that it makes it even easier to find what it is you're looking for, but some of things being suggested are just unreasonable. We can't have a prefix for every drug. That just can not happen. Some may not like it, but the best model at this moment is to assign prefixes for types of threads that dominate the traffic, which is exactly what we are set up for right now (with, admittedly, room for some minor adjusting to be done).

and my 2 cents:


prefixes are extraneous and gaudy

That may be, but aesthetics and inconvenience come far behind potential benefit.

 

[beta1]

But then all the codeine threads will get lost in the opiate prefix, and then all the meperidine threads, and then all the dihydrocodeine threads, and then all the morphine threads, and then all the fentanyl threads, and then....

The only difference is that there are far less methadone threads than there are codeine and morphine threads so the idea that they will "get lost" isn't as plausible. Combining methadone with bupe would not only make methadone easier to find, but would do away with one of the many opiates that falls under the "opiates" prefix, and thus creating less clutter within that subgroup as well.

And thats not to say people won't be able to find methadone threads by searching for "methadone" within the "opiate" prefix, just that prefixes as they are setup now aren't really helping people looking for methadone/maintenance info as much as they could be IMO..

Again, this is JMO and details as minor as this ultimately fall on you guys running OD

but some of things being suggested are just unreasonable. We can't have a prefix for every drug. That just can not happen.

My suggestion actually doesn't add any prefixes, just moves one drug over to a different prefix.. unless you were referring to someone else

 

[brutus]

I think there should be a combo prefix for threads that deal with questions about multiple drugs.

 

[Jabberwocky]

^at the moment, what we're doing with combo threads is putting the most dominant drug of the mix as the prefix. so say if someone is on methamphetamine and wants to take some valium for the comedown, then (amphetamines) would be the prefix.

we havent thought about a polydrug prefix, so ill bring it up with the other guys.

 

[Pegasus]

If it would be easy to do, it would be really nice if I could turn off the prefixes in a setting or something similar. The reason I disliked them and brought up the apparent lack of need for them previously was because there are many times when I am around family or certain others when I would rather not have drug names in big, obvious letters on the screen. They just jump out so much, someone can read them from really far away as opposed to the regular text which you'd have to actually read from far away rather than just glance over to see what it says.

I understand if it is too complicated to do, or if for whatever reason it can't be done. I just wanted to explain my rationale on that.

 

[Jabberwocky]

not something you can do as far as im aware, BW.

i know the privacy issue you have, but thats something you have to figure out on your end.

 

[phr]

Sorry, you can't turn them off. As lw said, it's something you'll have to solve on your end.


I don't think a combo prefix would help either with the filtering or with searching. So, unless some can convince me otherwise, it'll stay the way it is; tag it with the dominant drug.

 

[sixpartseven]

For those asking about how to prefix combo threads, here's how I explained it to the rest of the staff when we were trying to figure out how to handle them:

If the question is (A) "How much coke is safe to mix with heroin?" then heroin is the dominant drug. If the question is (B) "Is heroin good for a cocaine comedown?" then cocaine is the dominant thread. In other words, whatever drug you are enhancing or negating, then that is the dominant drug.

In (A.1) heroin is the dominant drug because you are asking about how to enhance the heroin. If someone is searching for ways to enhance the heroin high, you would want to classify this question under heroin rather than cocaine so it wouldn't be missed.

In (B.1) the reason cocaine is the dominant drug is because the heroin is only being used to make a cocaine comedown easier. For people searching for info on how to ease a cocaine comedown, this thread would be missed if it was classified under heroin.

It's not as hard as the above examples might make it seem.

I hope that helps. For those who said it's a bad way of dealing with it, I disagree. I think it makes perfect sense, and figuring out the "dominant drug" should not be hard at all.

 

[shake]

imo it makes shit difficult to read

 

[sixpartseven]

They aren't there to look pretty. They are there to help organize OD and make searches easier. If you have any suggestions for how we can improve upon those two goals, then that's awesome, we'd love to hear them, but there's nothing we can do about how they look. It's just something we'll all have to live with.

Plus, I don't see how it makes things harder to read, but then again, I am viewing this page on a 46 inch monitor.

 

[Pegasus]

Yeah, I'll be able to work with it, I just wanted to throw that out there in case it was relatively simple to do. No worries.

 

[shake]

i guess the harder to read just comes from viewing this forum for 3 years and just simple reading the thread topic and not opiates then thread topic. if it stays no problem, but if there is an option to get rid of it i will take it.

6/7 trade monitors with me

 

[Jabberwocky]

^youre gonna have to deal with it.

i 6/7 he means he has a 46" lcd/plasma screen. that should make moderating a breeze