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Member input: Thread Prefixes.

Do you support the Prefix Model?

  • No

    Votes: 12 22.2%

  • Yes

    Votes: 11 20.4%

  • Yes (1)

    Votes: 12 22.2%

  • Yes (2)

    Votes: 16 29.6%

  • Other (Please explain)

    Votes: 3 5.6%
  • Total voters
    54
This thread is not for discussion of splitting the forum. We already discussed that and let you all vote on it. It's not going to be happening any time soon, so there's no point in discussing it here.

Please stay on topic.
 
I agree that the apostrophes should definitely be taken out of "benzo's" and "RC's"... It looks especially bad at the end of "benzo" because that isn't even an acronym, and therefore the apparent possessiveness of it really sticks out.
 
If you have been around OD long enough and really understand how it works, "yes-2" is the only not stupid answer IMO.
 
My 2 Cents

Oxymorphone said:
I think it should be a two level system with subgroups to make it simplest. Like for heroin it should be Opiates>Heroin and for Xanax it wold be Benzos>Xanax, or Benzos>Klonopin. The second sub group should be optional so you could still do a general tag like just Opiates or Benzos.

That way everything is orgranized and you have the main general groupr with the subgroup if needed being optional. If you just had a free for all with every drug tag the place would be a mess and you might as well not have tags at all.

I think this model makes the makes the most sense and I would like to hear what people think of that.
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If you created groups and subgroups, you couldn't just leave it at that. You would have 3 or 4 tiers of groups, and it might get very confusing to someone new to the site.

That's just my 2 cents.

While I voted for Yes (1), it is important to state that if we get too specific, there will be an infinite number of prefixes and they will do little/nothing for the forum.

If you have "Benzos > Xanax", you'll have a "subgroup" for every kind of benzo. Do you know how many benzodiazepines there are?

Bromazepam • Camazepam • Chlordiazepoxide • Cinolazepam • Clonazepam • Clorazepate • Cyprazepam • Delorazepam • Diazepam • Doxefazepam • Elfazepam • Ethyl carfluzepate • Ethyl dirazepate • Ethyl loflazepate • Fletazepam • Fludiazepam • Flunitrazepam • Flurazepam • Flutemazepam • Flutoprazepam • Fosazepam • Gidazepam • Halazepam • Iclazepam • Lopirazepam • Lorazepam • Lormetazepam • Meclonazepam • Medazepam • Menitrazepam • Metaclazepam • Nimetazepam • Nitrazepam • Nitrazepate • Nordazepam • Oxazepam • Phenazepam • Pinazepam • Pivoxazepam • Prazepam • Proflazepam • Quazepam • QH-II-66 • Reclazepam • Sulazepam • Temazepam • Tetrazepam • Uldazepam
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These are all the benzos of the 1,4-benzodiazepine class. This does not include other benzo groups like the triazolos (including Triazolam and Alprazolam-xanax) or the imidazos (including Midazolam-dormicum and Loprazolam). So, before you say "that's not all the benzos I don't see xanax on that list!" that's why. Overall, there are 11 specific benzodiazepine subgroups. The 1,4-benzodiazepine class is the biggest one, but I hope I have made my point here.
 
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Thats why yes(2) is the only one that makes sense..

Under the current model "heroin" is listed separately from "opiates", and apparently if your using any upper that isn't amp or blow its a totally "miscellaneous" substance? It makes no sense that we are trying to randomly decide what opiates/benzos/stimulants are "important" enough to have their own category. As CH pointed out with benzos there are far too many substances within each class of drug, and trying to selectively separate them just makes things more complicated (especially for new BLers).
 
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Eh, using "most interest" is kind of a shaky model for something like this IMHO.

Surely something like oxycodone has just as many inquires due to its widespread use and general media coverage and publicity that surrounds it?
 
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I do like the idea of Bupe/Methadone possibly being their own category though, but the use for those opiates is totally different than most others so there is a little bit more of a viable reason for the separation. Whereas the final goal for a dope-head and a morphine junkie is largely the same ;)
 
beta1 said:
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Surely something like oxycodone has just as many inquires due to its widespread use and general media coverage and publicity that surrounds it?
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It did at one point. 2000-2004 or so. At that point all threads on oxycodone(and fentanyl during the Duragesic days) were banned in OD. (Well, unless they were extremely unique. Rare.) My point is, we're trying. These are the early shaky steps for prefixes. We'll make changes as we need them.
Do we need an oxycodone prefix? Right now, my opinion is no. It's not nearly as popular as it once was. Sure people are still using them, but we're not seeing tens of threads about it every other day like we once did. (Maybe people are actually using the search engine!) But, if the mods agree that we need it, I'd have no problem adding oxycodone. I'd just like to see a convincing enough case. Because one could certainly be made for the other drugs that have their own prefix; cocaine, heroin, and bupe.
 
I do like the idea of Bupe/Methadone possibly being their own category though, but the use for those opiates is totally different than most others so there is a little bit more of a viable reason for the separation. Whereas the final goal for a dope-head and a morphine junkie is largely the same
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We're not really making the prefixes based on goals of use. Mostly they're made based on popularity, risk, and somewhat of an organizational point of view. And no, it's not exactly a science, which is why we're all discussing it here. :)
 
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Well I'm not pushing for oxy having its own category, I just used it as an example of another popular opiate. I think it should be broken down: Opiates, RC's, Benzo's, Stimulants, Bupe/Methadone, Misc.

And yeah I know you guys are just trying it out and changes are probably emanate, but this is an opinion thread after-all right? ;) I just think the more complicated you make it, the harder it is to use for new users.
 
phrozen said:
We're not really making the prefixes based on goals of use. Mostly they're made based on popularity, risk, and somewhat of an organizational point of view. And no, it's not exactly a science, which is why we're all discussing it here. :)
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Well I suggested possibly joining bupe and methadone mainly for "search" related reasons..

People interested in bupe are generally people interested in maintenance programs, people interested in methadone are also generally interested in maintenance programs. They are totally different drugs, but there is certainty some common ground amongst the bulk of people seeking information on either one (thus my inclination to combine them).
 
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Good point.

We discussed having a methadone prefix, but decided it didn't really warrant one due to the amount of threads we get on it. But, we didn't consider a "bupe/methadone" thread.


Also, we're currently discussing some sort of withdrawal prefix. The problem is, if someone is searching, they're searching for withdrawal from a specific drug, so a general "withdrawal" prefix wouldn't be very helpful. So, we'd have to break it down - opiate withdrawal, benzo withdrawal, alcohol withdrawal, etc. That would then create the problems associated with too many prefixes. Catch-22. :\
 
As I stated in our private thread, we should combine bupe and methadone as "Recovery" or "Maintaince".
 
My 2 Cents, again.

I don't think methadone should be grouped with buprenorphine. Mostly because I'd never try methadone. Methadone has NMDA antagonism with full mu-agonism, whereas buprenorphine is a partial mu-agonist and has a lot of other specific opiate activity, and is a better mu-opiate agonist in the form of its metabolite norbuprenorphine. I really think methadone and Suboxone/Subutex should have their own prefixes each.

Some might say they both should be categorized together because they're both maintenance drugs, but both methadone and buprenorphine have been and still are available for pain relief. That's just my opinion, I'd like to hear people's responses as to why methadone and buprenorphine should still be categorized together despite this.
 
i see where Capn H is comming from with the benzo example


but in reality and on this website there are only a few of those benzos that actually get a lot of attention

while yes techinically one would have a shit ton of different benzo subgroups but really the ones that would be in this forum alot would be the usuals i.e. xanax, valium, ativan, klonipin, restoril, and from there on the amount of benzos that are commonly scripted goes down substantially
 
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