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[MEGA] The green dragon thread- alcohol extracts and tinctures

^ haha i was thinking that, alot of ppl probably dont have a quarter pound sitting around waiting to be smoked, if you wanted to use like an ounce instead of 4 im assuming could just divide all the amounts in the recipe by 4 to make a smaller batch
 
What if you don't have 1K~2K to spend on bud? Any way to make smaller doses?

Sure. You could experiment a bid to adjust to your needs but here it is.

Start with Wu's recipe (link is on this thread). His recipe asks for 3.5 gr of buds to 55 milliliters of alcohol (which is one European shot (50 ml) or about two North-American shots (30 ml).

If you take 3 gr of buds and 100 ml of alcohol and make it as I posted (which means never to expose your buds to temperature higher than 200F) you'll doubled number of shots and your gd will still be twice as strong.
 
Cannabis Tincture Question

I started a new batch of tincture a couple days ago. I always use the same method, but the ingredients vary depending on what I have on hand. This time I used about 4 grams of accumulated stems from high grade cannabis. As well as an eighth of finely ground high grade cannabis. I also used a half a gram of pure kief. All these ingredients were added to one cup of grain alcohol, 153 proof.

I keep this mixture in a mason jar, inside a brown bag, in the back of a cabinet. I shake the jar, and open it to allow it to breathe once daily for about 5 minutes. I usually strain the mixture at about 30 days, but I've heard some people say it doesn't need to go that long. That it would be done in a couple weeks. Does anyone have an opinion about this? I'm not sure how many people here are experienced at making tinctures, so I appreciate any responses. :)

I don't mind waiting 30 days, I always have before. I also plan to evaporate some of the alcohol off the finished product, to make it more potent.
 
I don't have any experience with them but I've always been interested in tinctures and balms.


Someone answer the question, damnit, it's a good one.
 
Never heard of a quick wash ISO? Instead of weeks, you can do it in a couple of minutes. If your intention is to extract only cannabinoids, a quick wash is the way to go, if you want more than cannabinoids alone, let it soak for a longer time. If you put it through the coffee grinder first, the more surface area is exposed, the more stuff you get out of it.
 
Never heard of a quick wash ISO? Instead of weeks, you can do it in a couple of minutes. If your intention is to extract only cannabinoids, a quick wash is the way to go, if you want more than cannabinoids alone, let it soak for a longer time. If you put it through the coffee grinder first, the more surface area is exposed, the more stuff you get out of it.


I don't really like to use ISO alcohol on a tincture I am going to be drinking. I did do a little research since my first post, and I found a lot of conflicting information. Some say to let it sit for 30-60 days, and I've also seen some say one week is sufficient. After careful consideration, I have decided to strain my tincture next Saturday. That will be about 2 weeks.

I did a little more research, and found this: (I edited the non-essential parts of the article)


Timeless tinctures

By Stan Czolowski - Wednesday, October 1 2003


How to extract the essence of cannabis and keep it in a little glass bottle.


A tincture is a medicinal extract in an alcohol solution. The alcohol is used to extract and preserve the resins and other soluble material from the plant. Cannabis tinctures are an excellent way to utilize the plant's medicinal ingredients, and a perfect alternative for those who find smoking difficult.

Until the 1920's, Cannabis Indica tincture was available at your neighborhood pharmacy. Queen Victoria used medicinal cannabis extracts to deal with chronic pain. Cannabis tinctures and extracts commonly served as analgesics, sedatives and narcotics.


The alchemy of alcohol


Alchemical procedures involve both wet and dry forms such as soaking, distillation and evaporation. The extraction of entheogenic plants requires similar steps. Distillation remained undiscovered until the 12th century, when alchemists first created aqua vitae aqueous alcohol concentrated by distillations.

Cannabis tincture works best with 90% pure alcohol, such as Everclear.

Mexican tincture, however, uses only 35% pure, while Parke Davies Pharmaceuticals, distributors of the original medicinal pharmaceutical extract to pharmacies during the late 19th century, used 80%.

Pure grain alcohol can be difficult to obtain, depending on where you are located. If it's unavailable at your local liquor store, try a duty-free shop.

Confusion often exists around "proof" and "percent." Percent is approximately half to proof. The origins of the term "proof" hearkens back to the practice of testing alcohol content by wetting gunpowder with it then lighting the powder. If the alcohol was more than 50% water, the explosive would not ignite.

When the gunpowder did spark it was "proof" that the booze in question was at least half alcohol. In the US, 100 proof is defined as 50% alcohol by volume.

Exercise extreme caution when evaporating high-proof alcohol due to its flammable nature. Remember "proof and poof!"


How to make tincture


The philosophy behind tincture is to capture the spiritual and physical essence of the plant. This is done by using the power of ethyl alcohol to dissolve and preserve the herb in question, in our case cannabis.

The cannabis used for soaking must be dry. When fresh bud is used, the end result is disappointing. Scissoring up the plant material effectively facilitates extracting all psychoactive constituents.

Cannabis should soak anywhere from 1 to 10 days. Some folks soak it for up to four weeks, following that up with a secondary five day soak in fresh ethanol just to ensure all cannabinoids have been leached.

Buds are great for tincture, but must be dried first. However, some others insist that the buds remain in the solvent no longer than six hours. They claim that solvents instantly grab onto THC molecules, and anything after this time frame benefits only terpene, oils, and chlorophylls, contaminating the final product.

From my personal experience seven days is adequate, but you should experiment with different time frames to see what works for you and your buds.

The recommended minimum cannabis to alcohol ratio is one gram of bud per 35ml (one fluid ounce). Some prefer up to seven grams per 35ml but others might find this too strong. Individual needs vary. Cautious experimentation is the key.

Throughout the soaking period use only enough ethanol to cover the plant material and occasionally agitate.

After you've soaked the bud for the desired time, shake and strain the plant material. After filtering the cannabis solution, it is ready to be stored. This is done best within a blue apothecary medicine bottle. This will protect the precious mixture from degradation by light, while also imbuing mystery to the potion.

For further protection, the tincture should be kept in a cool, dark place. Yet cannabis preserved in ethanol has a long shelf life. Tincture medicines do not come with an expiration date. The fragrance and bouquet of mature tincture is floral akin to perfume.

The test for making sure all THC has been transferred into ethanol is to smoke the discarded plant material. If it tastes terrible, has a straw color, and is inactive, the operation has been successful.


How to use and consume


Cannabis tincture tastes positively wonderful, with the sweet earthy flavor of cannabinoids and a lingering bitter aftertaste. The effects are noticeable within 15 minutes, and are felt completely within a half-hour.

An advantage of tincture and extract preparations is their ease of dispensing, consumption, and rapid absorption. Tinctures can become very potent when concentrated, so adjust according to individual dosage requirements.

Care must be exercised, as the delayed onset time may possibly encourage overdosing among those unfamiliar with cannabis tinctures. Orally administered cannabis products may be very uncomfortable when too much has been consumed. Possible panic and anxiety reactions or physical malaise may occur.
 
I started a new batch of tincture a couple days ago. I always use the same method, but the ingredients vary depending on what I have on hand. This time I used about 4 grams of accumulated stems from high grade cannabis. As well as an eighth of finely ground high grade cannabis. I also used a half a gram of pure kief. All these ingredients were added to one cup of grain alcohol, 153 proof.

I keep this mixture in a mason jar, inside a brown bag, in the back of a cabinet. I shake the jar, and open it to allow it to breathe once daily for about 5 minutes. I usually strain the mixture at about 30 days, but I've heard some people say it doesn't need to go that long. That it would be done in a couple weeks. Does anyone have an opinion about this? I'm not sure how many people here are experienced at making tinctures, so I appreciate any responses. :)

I don't mind waiting 30 days, I always have before. I also plan to evaporate some of the alcohol off the finished product, to make it more potent.

with alcohol that has that high of a proof it probably is done in 1 - 2 weeks time or less.
i can only get the 151 proof everclear, and i let that go 4 weeks and it usually is done way before i strain.

my newest tincture is going to be a some amount of a pound of trim and a gallon of vegetable glycerin crock potted on warm for a few days.
 
Dude effing sweet.

Blue apothecary bottle? Effing sweet.

Next go round Maybe I'll throw the popcorn nugs in some grain and see where we go.

Since you (op) seem to be the authority round these parts concerning tinctures, would you be amenable to posting your Procedure in more detail?

The whole midevil vibe I'm getting off this is like... Effing sweet haha

Or arboskittle, missed your post.

Also, are the effects similar to other forms of ingestion, or is this a whole thing unto itself.
 
Since you (op) seem to be the authority round these parts concerning tinctures, would you be amenable to posting your Procedure in more detail?


More detail than the article I posted?


Also, are the effects similar to other forms of ingestion, or is this a whole thing unto itself.


It depends on how potent the tincture is to start. I've always found it to be an intense body high.
 
i just eyeball it. i finely grind buds and leaves and sticks into a powder.

i cover the powder with ethanol. just enough to cover.

shake, let sit,

the plant material absorbs some in a few days and i add a tiny bit more to make it all wet with ethanol .

shake 1 or 2 times a day for a minute or so. for about 2-3 weeks depending on proof, the higher it is the quicker you can be done, and to be safe you

i pour my tincture through 71 micron mesh and wring it out as much as i can. I think i am going to get a potato ricer to get out all of the ethanol possible.

i use brown 1 oz bottles.
 
Great thread - and the Timeless Tinctures article is excellent. When I partake, I really enjoy eating herb. As someone who also enjoys alcohol - I really need to give a tincture a try sometime in the future!

I do have a question though. My understanding is that for cannabinoids to be active when ingested, they need to be heated rather substantially. Why is this not the case when making a tincture? I guess it has something to do with the alcohol doing the same part as the heat would in releasing the cannabinoids from the plant cells? Oils?

This topic's made me very curious... I need to experience myself the difference between cannabis edibles and tinctures.
 
I do have a question though. My understanding is that for cannabinoids to be active when ingested, they need to be heated rather substantially. Why is this not the case when making a tincture? I guess it has something to do with the alcohol doing the same part as the heat would in releasing the cannabinoids from the plant cells?


I have been making the same standard tincture recipe (with slight variations) for almost 5 years now. I have never heated the herbs before adding them to the grain alcohol, and it always turns out great. I have read that some people do heat the herbs, but I believe it only speeds up the extraction process.
 
Check out Master Wu's definitive green dragon tincture if you have not heard of it before. This stuff is the real deal and you can have your tincture in a matter of hours rather than waiting a month or more for finished tincture. I personally have made more batches of this then I can remember and it was always potent. I don't remember reading if you reduce your tincture so that you only have to use a dropper full or two to get a buzz going, but this is one thing I like about Master Wu's tincture. You do not have to consume much at all and that allows you to feel the buzz of the pot without feeling any effects of alcohol.
 
I started a new batch of tincture a couple days ago. I always use the same method, but the ingredients vary depending on what I have on hand. This time I used about 4 grams of accumulated stems from high grade cannabis. As well as an eighth of finely ground high grade cannabis. I also used a half a gram of pure kief. All these ingredients were added to one cup of grain alcohol, 153 proof.

I keep this mixture in a mason jar, inside a brown bag, in the back of a cabinet. I shake the jar, and open it to allow it to breathe once daily for about 5 minutes. I usually strain the mixture at about 30 days, but I've heard some people say it doesn't need to go that long. That it would be done in a couple weeks. Does anyone have an opinion about this? I'm not sure how many people here are experienced at making tinctures, so I appreciate any responses. :)

I don't mind waiting 30 days, I always have before. I also plan to evaporate some of the alcohol off the finished product, to make it more potent.

Tilliane, you're losing about 20% of the stuff. Do it this way: place your stuff in a jar and add 1/2 cup of alcohol. Mix well and constantly for 10 minutes. Cover and let stay in a dark place 1-2 days mixing it or shaking it few times a day. Sieve liquid in the another jar, then add another 1/2 half cup of alcohol to original jar. Again mix for 10 minutes, place in darkish place shaking several times a day and sieve it into a jar that already contains first batch.

This is important because when you doing it the first time you'll extract just about 80% of the stuff. When repeating, you'll extract the rest.

About times: In the matter of fact you could do it all in less than 2 days. All the stuff will be extracted. Waiting 30 days is important if you're aiming of making some tasty cannabis drinks. For just extracting, it's not necessary to wait that long.

About heating the herb: it's beneficial potency wise. You should try to heat it once and see how you like it. Good luck.
 
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Master Wu's Definitive Guide is goooooood stuff. I like the idea of just using the alcohol as a carrier, so you don't have to get drunk if you don't want. His process doesn't sound any more complex than the way I preferred of cooking the cannabis with coconut oil and putting it in capsules.
 
It can sometimes be difficult for me to do things, and I also have a 10 year old daughter. I have always found it easier to just throw the herb in the grain alcohol. Thanks for the tips marygreen, I appreciate it very much. :)

ihatepipes, I have seen Master Wu's Definitive Green Dragon recipe. That was the first time I had seen someone heat the herbs. I have always been satisfied with just using an alcohol extraction only up to this point, but I may try that method in the future. I have always been patient waiting for my tinctures.

I'm actually going to try the second extraction that was suggested with this current batch of tincture I am making now. I still plan to let the finished product evaporate a couple days too.
 
lol, no worries. It just depends on what you want to extract, it's like the article you posted says:
They claim that solvents instantly grab onto THC molecules, and anything after this time frame benefits only terpene, oils, and chlorophylls, contaminating the final product.

If you're only after cannabinoids, try the quick wash, it does reduce yield ofcourse, but it's purer. Letting it sit longer will extract all the other stuff as well, which imo, isn't really a bad thing. I don't consider all that other stuff contaminants, I see them as beneficial, lot's of anti-oxidants (especially if you use some purple buds).

You could also do a quick wash and let the remnants sit in another jar for a longer period of time to make sure you extract every last bit. Best of both worlds.
 
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