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I would assume that everclear would probably work at room temp or slightly elevated heat. I re-read the MSDS after the trial and it actuall stated it was soluble up to 10mg/1ml of EtOH. Meaning this is the reason I had such a hard time getting the maximum into a 75% substrate...woops. And tossing the 151 in the microwave even for 4 seconds was an incredibly dangerous endeavor, I did however keep fire precautions on hand.
It seems to start to settle a just a tiny bit after about 24 hours, but when shaken it dispurses into the liquid well.
I took a very small sample of 5ml (assumed to be about 500mcg) definitely not enough to cause any extreme change in CB1 activity. I find it to be peaceful and absolutely no 'high' feeling, but a slight heaviness of appendages and insomnia. To say it has a noticeable effect on CB2 activity even though it seems to address them less. Its kinda like a contact high, not sure if you got it or if you're just feeling elevated because everyone else is.
I plan to add 10ml each dose until a CB1 affinity takes place. I could see this being a good mild muscle relaxant/pain killer at this dose. I did notice a headache coming on right before I consumed the 018 and I can tell its still there but it seems to be numbed, so the idea that this could give you a headache leads me to believe it must have been in much higher doses, as I drank beer all day until about 7 and took the 018 at about 10.
 
There's been quite a few reports coming in about RCS-8 just lately. Apparently the "high" is almost completely nonexistent, and lasts less than an hour in total.
 
so i learned a hard lesson in cross-tolerance this week.... been smoking JWH blends for months now so i thought that Id give some high quality chronic a go again, compare the two. well, to be quite frank, my northern lights did absolutely nothing to me.... and i mean nothing. Id have gotten more of a buzz off of cough medicine than the bud. And my tolerance for JWH now is so high that ill have to wait months before weed will even sedate me again :(

FML
 
soldierkahn said:
so i learned a hard lesson in cross-tolerance this week.... been smoking JWH blends for months now so i thought that Id give some high quality chronic a go again, compare the two. well, to be quite frank, my northern lights did absolutely nothing to me.... and i mean nothing. Id have gotten more of a buzz off of cough medicine than the bud. And my tolerance for JWH now is so high that ill have to wait months before weed will even sedate me again :(

FML
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JWH tolerance seems to last all of 2-3 days...

IME at least...
 
JWH- 018 addition and withdrawal

A month or so back I came upon a size able quantity of this substance, and consequently, I have been smoking an estimated 20-30 mg's a day.
Other than being a pothead already, this addiction goes beyond my usual grumpy- no- weed- moods. When I wake up in the morning I feel achey (which a part is certainly my shitty mattress as well) but as soon as I smoke it that familiar warm blanket of stonededness washes over and all is better. No pain or aches and a pleasant stone.
When the high wears off it is accompanied by the return of general acheyness. Then I smoke more, cause what else am I gonna do with a 5 g stash in my face lol. ;)
A considerable variable is my excessive use of mephedrone all summer. Kind of a big one there.

Have you been or are you addicted the any of the JWH series?

What types of addiction and withdrawals did you experience?

What is the highest amount of JWH you have been a daily smoker of?

Did you experience more pronounced or different negative effects with increased dosages or with a large average amount consumed regularly?

Any other thoughts on the matter?
 
I consumed 50mg (yeah I think I either have a high tolerance or this is cut) the other night, it made me more than tired but not much more. There's no happiness in this drug, you might want to sink into the sofa but you don't have that big grin on your face while you're doing it.

I'm hoping when I move I can get hold of weed and I'm gonna finally buy a decent vaporizer. I might try 073 if it becomes available to me but I'm giving up on them otherwise.
 
moved to syth discussion.

i've been smoking JWH-018 for ~2 months, been through roughly 15gs.

No side effects to be reported thus far, and I stopped using a few days ago when I got my opana scripts.
 
Spice review (Spike Max, Dark Night, and some others)

Been playing around with various herbal blends lately. Surprisingly, it's a bit harder to find info than your average Google search. Thankfully, there is some out there (including on this site). Wikipedia also has some good articles and the links in the resources section have some very good information.

Thought I'd ad to the body of knowledge here.

1. Delivery systems

I've tried rolling it into a cigarette, vaporizer, and water pipe. The last is definitely best. Cigarette was harsh on my lung. Vapo never got hot enough to really work. Water pipe is by far the best.

2. Brands

Spike 99: tried this last week. Woke up with a headache the next day. Might not have been this brand's fault though. I've read elsewhere that you really need to drink a lot of water with spice (aka synthetic 'noids). I think the amount of water corresponds to the dosage though, which can range wildly. Some of these Spike brands are very, very, strong (read below).

Dark Knight: nice stuff. Seems strong but not overly so.

Dream (forget the rest of the name): so so.

Sonic Blueberry: also nice. Strong but not overly so.

Spice Max: very, very strong. I smoked a large bowl of this stuff the other day and had an experience very similar to the one described here:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=446941

Pretty sure I just gave myself too large a dose of the stuff. I was playing on my computer and had to stop. Thoughts felt like they were falling out of my mind, but I was too slow to catch and act on them. The whole process of thinking and acting became a bit hard (I was playing a pretty complicated RTS game). So I stopped. Got up out of my chair and felt light headed. Decided not to try and make it to the kitchen. I decided to lay down on my bed instead. Music from the game was still playing in the next room. Major auditory augmentation and racing thoughts. Contemplation. Caution ... don't smoke this much next time. Also, thinking critically about my life and what I'm doing with it. Can I balance getting high and being productive? Etc...

I also want to address the story of the guy in the news recently who reported falling to the floor, being paralyzed and banging on his floor for hours. I too had a feeling of being paralyzed. But since I was on my bed, this was ok. I could move my hands and arms and all. I simply didn't want to get out of bed. I was too light headed. I could see someone with perhaps a bit less experience in altered consciousness as well as taking way too large a dose ending up with a story like his. So again, use caution.

Pulse was elevated, which I had tested previously with a heart rate monitor. About 150bpm at rest. If you have heart problems, you should definitely watch it with this stuff. I've read this to be a common theme.

Small bowl of this blend seems more than enough.

I had an experience similar (but not quite as "synthetic") to the above a few years back in Amsterdam. I had gotten ready to go "out on the town" but ended up walking back to my hotel from the tram stop. I was too high, plain and simple.

Lastly ... some brands produce massive munchies. Some, none at all, perhaps even the opposite.

Feeling slow and foggy the next day(s) after use. But I've been using the stuff pretty regularly. So I guess we'll see how it goes.

Interesting stuff this spice. But as with anything, use some caution and be safe.
 
JWH-018 + ____ herbs

So I am finally taking the initiative to start making my own JWH-018 blend, and was wondering what legal herbs hit the taste buds nicely?

My current mix idea is:
1 gram JWH-018
1/2 oz of damiana
1/2 oz marshmellow leaf
3/5 oz of red clover [mostly for appearance]

This is just a basic idea. I heard that basil tastes nice when smoked, but I've never let someone rip me off before. 8)
 
moved to syth discussion.

OP, use the search engine please.

I use 2g Damiana, 2g Raspberry leaf, 1g passion flower for a perfect, sweet, slow burning smoke.
 
Chainer, Any experience with the WIN series?

i got a bit of 55-512 and am wondering what is the best way to use it.
I havent read to much about people smoking it.
And i only have a small amount so would like to use it appropriately.
 
Only a bit of oral experience with WIN55, I dosed the same as I would with JWH-018. I found the high rather similar, though I only had a sample sized baggie... If memory serves me correctly, it wasn't as enjoyable as most of the JWH series, so I never bothered trying any of the others.

I hear it burns rather differently than JWH - bubbles and turns a tad blackish before evaporating. It still should leave no to little residue if done properly.

I hear there is a lot of WIN55,212 that isn't so bad floating around, but I don't have much personal experience with the substance. Wish I could help you out more...
 
chainer3k said:
moved to syth discussion.

OP, use the search engine please.

I use 2g Damiana, 2g Raspberry leaf, 1g passion flower for a perfect, sweet, slow burning smoke.
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Oops sorry. :P

How is raspberry leaf? I was considering just using Amsterdam Gold, until I realized it was <No Prices in CD, sorry!> an ounce. :P

EDIT:
Come onnn, lets stay just a bit more on topic. :)
 
I *Love* the raspberry leaf, easily my favorite herb to add. It gives off a sweet and tea-like taste that is extremely smooth and mellow to smoke.
 
Delsyd said:
Chainer, Any experience with the WIN series?

i got a bit of 55-512 and am wondering what is the best way to use it.
I havent read to much about people smoking it.
And i only have a small amount so would like to use it appropriately.
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Insufflation(2-5mgs). Its had me nicely stoned for the last couple of days.:) Oral works too although I can't tell you doses as i'm orally dosing tomorrow for the first time. From what i've read heat destroys WIN 55 quickly so smoking is ineffective.
 
after reading a bit about this substance, I agree with what Help?!?! has said - intranasal seems the best bet after orally. No experience with it up the nose, so I'm wondering how that goes. How'd you go about blowing 8mg? Mix it with some non-active powder?

If it's even partially soluble in water, a nasal spray would be genius.
 
I had come to the same conclusion, hence my small experience with the WIN series. There was one (forgot the particular name) that mimics -250 pretty closely, however.

Thanks for the quick results though!
 
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