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My friends and I found our pure acetone at a home improvement store. A quart was the smallest amount they had though!
 
They all contain synthetic cannabinoids, fact is, any synthetic or substitute will harm you with repeated use. The only safe drug in existence is Marijuana ( delta-9 tetra hydra cannabinol ). I smoke weed everyday multiple times for about three years now and never had any bad side effects, i tried these synthetics and my chest hurt a bit and other odd sensations occurred. I have a brain injury and still use pot, it's safer than Tylenol in my opinion. If that doesn't convince you, don't take my word for it, look at the bureau of statistics. synthetic weed, only around for less than a year has already claimed one life and sends many to hospitals. Weed on the other hand, Weed, has been used since mankind became smart enough to use it-And has NEVER KILLED ANYONE!!! That's a seven million year record baby, which do you fucking trust?
 
Marijuana is not safe. It is also not the same thing as THC. THC is this molecule:
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Marijuana is dried matter from the cannabis plant, containing many cannabinoids other than delta-9-THC. I have no idea where you pulled 7 million years from. The oldest records of cannabis being used as a drug are less than five millennia old.
 
I seem to remember a "study" being "commissioned" on JWH-018 when the Spice debate started almost 2 years ago. I seem to remember the study concluded it was "safe."

I remember that people thought because the "study" was anonymous the results couldn't be trusted.

Whatever came of this situation?
 
Delsyd said:
do you know anything about 210, 122 or 019?
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I'm enjoying 210 currently. My only complaint is it doesn't have the exact intensity 018 does. It is however potent and longer lasting. I usually smoke an average of 40ish mgs depending on how high I want to get and tolerance. I can't say for sure what my tolerance is because the WIN may be interfering(only helps my point though) but so far I probably haven't even passed 15 mgs of 210 in one sitting(been smoking it for the past couple of days).
 
what are the best smoking/tasting herbs for making a mix? i know some can be nasty and i want to make a nice smooth blend.
 
raspberry leaf and damania leaf 50/50 is extremely smooth and has a slightly sugar taste to it. Burns at the perfect rate as well.
 
Jwh-018

I'm short on weed and need an alteranative, I'm not sourcing but i take it there's sites that will still be willing to sell pure JWH-018, or if not is there anything i can buy that will give me a marijuana like high?
 
Volcano said:
I seem to remember a "study" being "commissioned" on JWH-018 when the Spice debate started almost 2 years ago. I seem to remember the study concluded it was "safe."

I remember that people thought because the "study" was anonymous the results couldn't be trusted.

Whatever came of this situation?
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No one remembers this?
 
chainer3k said:
raspberry leaf and damania leaf 50/50 is extremely smooth and has a slightly sugar taste to it. Burns at the perfect rate as well.
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do you have to order these or would any local places have them?
 
i liked the feel of the effects...but id say the negatives for me outweigh the positives...

It was cheap as hell...ill give it that, but i got it at 50% off...and i cant anymore, so that also plays a part...

I had a half gram each of -073 and -018...

I fiended for them...they were pretty addictive in a way, especially if one is prone to compulsively seeking altered states...

They got me mad stoned at first...I would vaporize ~5mg of -018 and 12 mg -073, often at the same time...I was high for hours...

Then the tolerance came...The effects quickly diminished...so i did what most people would...I upped the dose...i was vaping 15 mg of -018 and 20 of-073...I was getting high for 45 minutes, with the first 15 minutes offering a rush that rivaled some of my best weed highs...

Then i ate some...I just scooped out what i thought to be about 15 times the smoked dose...i don't know how much i took...but i was tripping haha...after about an hour and a half, i was as high as i think i can get...

I kept vaping at the previous measures with the same results...

now for the NEGATIVE side-effects...

ringing in my ears

extreme lightheadedness

fatigue

slight headache

a residue on lips and (arguably) on throat and lungs after vaping (its been called an epoxy by other members)

respiratory problems

compulsive redosing

It should also be noted that slight withdrawals were experienced...a bit stronger than weed would cause in me

Weed's effects were also greatly diminished when smoked 1 days after last ingesting JWH
 
Today JWH-250 is making me stoned and really dizzy to the point I find myself falling all over myself if I try to stay standing. I'm going to have some bruises. It's interesting how the high dosage effects change with tollerance. For a week or so it was very psychedelic where I would see this colored web over everything and slight movement. Now it makes me fall over and no more colors, I think it's time for a break. My source switched from carrying 018 to 250 so I'm going to need to figure something out, I'm getting sick of this and miss 018.

Anyone else have thoughts on 250?
 
Been smoking Jwh-18 several months, this is not a for or against post but I do know a few things for sure about it, some are open to speculation, as it stands of course there still is no clinical human research on it, let alone long term, so we are our own lab rats. It is pretty decent in responsible doses, for me that's a pretty low dose and high doses are a definite bummer. Some blends are better than others not just as far as potency goes ( higher potency may not necessarily be a good thing ) but as far as the anxiogenic effects go, i was using one blend wich was very potent but it was like playing russian roulette and one little hit could make the difference between a good and a very bad high with a panic attack, high heart rate, etc., also I am sure that there is a cumulative effect if you smoke it all day because I have smoked it all day feeling great and taken ONE hit before bed with an interval of about an hour since last smoking it and had a panic attack. I quit smoking that blend cause the chance of panic attacks happened way too often even with a very small hit or two. Switched to a less potent blend but also a blend with a completely different herbal content, containing Damiana and Catnip and two other herbs, have never had a single panic attack from this blend even after smoking enough to get as high on it as I did with the other blend and I think this is probably from the relaxing effects of those herbs counterbalancing the JWH. As far as the panic attacks and physiological side effects go people have the same wether they are smoking blends or pure JWH and it is obviously possible to get these effects from either form as countless posts testify to so those that say that the herbs in the blends are causing the problems and not the JWH are wrong. Also those that say the side effects are purely psychosomatic are wrong, they are real physiological symptoms as any doctor encountering people in the e.r. will tell you and I don't care how good anybody is at " keeping cool " if they consume enough to have a bad overdose their minds are not going to be able to control what is happening with their bodies, it is not purely psychosomatic, of course freaking out mentally will only make it worse but it is not purely a psychological situation. All this is the part I know for fact from experience, and no I am not a lightweight, have been a heavy cannabis user for 32 years, as well as plenty of psychedelics in my time, and not in small doses, I've also done enough meth in the old days intravenously and not unfamiliar with elevated heart rates etc. A JWH overdose is serious business folks, I have never gone through anything like that before and those symptoms are real, it is nothing to be messed with in an irresponsible way, like I said in smaller doses it is pretty good, this is not an anti-JWH post. Nevertheless nobody knows what this chemical is doing to our bodies and this is not synthetic marijuana, it is not a synthetic THC, it is in no way even structurally similar to THC, if it were it would already be illegal long ago via the analog law. It is something entirely to itself, it just affects the cb-1 and cb-2 receptors like mj. And a big difference is it is a FULL receptor agonist, mj is a PARTIAL receptor agonist and also has many chemicals in it wich balance things out. JWH affects GABA neurotransmission and physiological systems differently because it is a full agonist, being a full agonist does not necessarily mean it is " better " than mj.
Now here's the speculation part - personally I think it could definitely kill a person if they overdose enough and there have in fact been cases of death reported, or at least where this cause is suspected, a few, not many but then the medical establishment knows as much as we do about JWH- virtually nothing and there is no organized data base for cases other than reports from poison control centers, wich is simply based on panicked phone calls to the poison control center regarding JWH. If you search enough on the net you will in fact come upon cases reported in individual counties where death from JWH is suspected, this is not necessarily even from hospital reports because these cases were from people found dead at home, no need for a hospital.
I am a truck driver and have to take D.O.T. physicals every two years or every time I change companies as part of the pre-hire protocol, as far as I know the majority of people posting about JWH are not getting physical exams and hence have no idea about their actual physical condition, we all know anybody can feel fine and go to a doctor and find out they have any number of conditions going on so really nobody has any idea about the state of their actual physical health unless they are experiencing tangible symptoms and even many serious conditions don't have many if any experienced symptoms prior to diagnosis. All I know is the last physical I took not long before starting to smoke JWH was completely fine, no problems, and the last one just a week ago and after smoking JWH for months I found out I have high blood pressure and have blood in my urine, I also have been having a lot of heart palpitations, now this could be caused by many many things and I have to have more tests done of course and I can't say this is from JWH use ( daily ) but I can't rule it out either. I can however say be careful with this stuff, even disregarding my physical completely, this is not a good drug to abuse and definitely not one to overdose on because it is not fun, it can feel far worse than an overdose on even heavy drugs. Be careful out there, dose responsibly.
 
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freak1c said:
........ I also have been having a lot of heart palpitations, now this could be caused by many many things and I have to have more tests.......
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Interesting you say that....

I also went to my first physical since JWH...and i also developed abnormal palpitations
 
Wow that post is hard to read. Paragraphs will help people read it, and thus help you get the information you want.
 
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