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chainer3k said:
methanol will leave impurities -- the acetone and JWH are the only 2 things you want being sprayed.
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Why will it leave impurities? I plan on using this method, it uses EtOH but MeOH should work just as well.

TheAzo said:
In the vial, i added 1.6ml (2ml/g) 95% EtOH, shook with gentle warming until no specks of yellow were noticed, then chilled, and removed the ethanol. Repeated with three additional 1ml portions of ethanol.
Dried the now pretty white JWH-073 in it's vial by application of gentle heat with the cap off.
Beautiful white clean smelling JWH-073, and 30mg of yellow oil and traces of JWH.
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So I'll be removing the methanol containing the impurities from the 073 leaving behind nice clean JWH-073 then dissolving that in acetone.
 
I had no idea you had such an elaborate process. What you are explaining should be safe -- most people come into this thread with a much more half-baked idea of what you are saying (ie: wash, evaporate, then use ethanol with impurities on top of that -- then they wonder why they get side effects).

You're the only other person I have heard of making 073 mix. You use 1gram 073 per 1ML? I try to use 500mg per 3 ml, and use 5 grams of mix (passion flower, raspberry tea, mullein). I just put together a video while supremely baked, but haven't had the chance to test the product yet (soon).
 
Synths are really good for people on probation or getting drug tested at work. I personally smoke Black Mamba and this houseblend from a place down here in Florida. I think Black Mamba is kinda week, but the houseblend gets me retarded. Even if I wasn't getting drug tested I would prefer the houseblend to regular pot. It gets me completely blitzed. Just as you guys have mentioned, it also gives me red eye.
 
JWH-018 definitely dilates my pupils and gives me red eyes. Every synthetic cannabinoid gives me red eyes.
 
Kelly5966 said:
Synths are really good for people on probation or getting drug tested at work. I personally smoke Black Mamba and this houseblend from a place down here in Florida. I think Black Mamba is kinda week, but the houseblend gets me retarded. Even if I wasn't getting drug tested I would prefer the houseblend to regular pot. It gets me completely blitzed. Just as you guys have mentioned, it also gives me red eye.
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You do know that Black Mamba is inert carrier material laced with synthetic cannabinoids, and they charge you literally hundreds of times more than it cost them to make it, right?

Any reason you continue to buy these pre-made "smoking blends" instead of making your own for 1/100th the cost?
 
I've been smoking roughly 30mg (clearly abusing this shit at this point - turning 400mg into 5 grams of passion flower, raspberry leaf, and daminein leaf [sp]) and I notice moderate pupile dilation.

Do you think this thread should be merged into the sythentic cannaboid thread? May get more answers there.

Also, was thinking of throwing up a video of how to mix this stuff safely - i have one half-made online already but I'm waiting to see if it's BL appropriate. It's stupid to pay full price for this stuff or use an unsafe solvent.
 
I have a very, very rough video I've made, using dosages much to high. For now, I will post it, but it will be taken down in a few days when I have a much more reasonable and responsible video recorded. If you follow my exact formula, .5g will likely be to much for you unless you have the ungodly tolerance I seemed to have developed. Sorry, I cannot provide sources for any of the materials.


chainer3k said:
My mixture. Shitty & temporary, made it in a very short period of time and I plan on doing a more official and reasonable dosage video in the near future - hopefully one where you can skip that 10 second ad.

It is a completely incomplete tutorial of the blends I have been making recently with JWH-018. My new blends (created tonight) are 700mg / 8 ml / 3.2g damiana + 2.3g passion flower + 2g raspberry leaf. Better video to come if anyone in this thread cares - I update the one in CD frequently with my experiments and if any side effects pop up.

Thus far, JWH-018 is easily the cheapest and most psychedelic, however I find it to be comparable to coke redose-fiendy. If you smoke abusive amounts (15-40mg) in one sitting, it's like coming up on acid more than smoking weed, however it seems to only last 30 minutes.

My only side effect after 2 weeks of this heavy *abuse* and *testing* worry me about overloading my CB1 (or more likely) CB2 receptors, as tolerance grows very quickly. I have not found a ceiling effect yet, but advise taking benzos if you are going to attempt a heroic dosage. I have seen many people not been able to handle it. I do get rapid sleepiness 1-2 hours in, followed by munchies best filled with fresh fruit (makes me feel better).
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Hey, been reading this thread and the old archived one with much interest.

I got some JWH-018 this week along with smaller samples of 81 and 250. They're all completely white, the latter 2 seem fluffier than the 018 but there is far less of them in same sized bags. 018 is a bit grainy and tastes sweet. I've been eye balling doses, my first thought being "hey you're only gonna get stoned". I felt a little something off just a pin's amount dipped in the bag but now I can scoop out a pen lid's worth. It looked like a pencil eraser sized pile I just had and just my eyes feel heavy really.

I'm incredibly prone to anxiety and haven't suffered it once, it's even made me not care about needed daily phenazepam doses. I get terrible sleep though, fall asleep on the sofa, wake up too early feeling awful, go to bed and feel worse in the morning. That really isn't far off my natural sleep cycle though to be honest.

It's possible I just suck at smoking off foil, when heated it leaves a yellow or orange puddle, this when heated goes brown and tastes of burning. I'm getting one of those Eagle Bill pipes to try with that.

Have any of you oral users just swallowed the powder or must it be melted in something fatty first?
 
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Ok so i have been messing around with the "herbal incense" in my area and bought one kind that when i take even a few hits my heart starts racing and pounding hard.

Its really scary and I threw away the rest of the one gram i bought.

When will the government realize it would be much safer and cost efficient to illegalize herbal insence, and LEGALIZE PLAIN OLD WEED.

NO one will OD or even come close to OD on weed but this incense dont seem safe.

Im just lucky that i know my shit about drugs and only tried two hits of this new stuff.

I think if i were to have been stupid and smoked like a blunt of it, well i would either be in the hospital or dead...

man even LSD is safer than this shit...
 
GooGoo, how about just legalizing everything and forcing manufacturers to list the exact ingredients and quantities of each on their "herbal incense" producs.
 
weevil said:
It's possible I just suck at smoking off foil, when heated it leaves a yellow or orange puddle, this when heated goes brown and tastes of burning. I'm getting one of those Eagle Bill pipes to try with that.
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stop buying from that vendor. that's not good purity at all. please tell me you didn't just use google and click on one of the most popular links? cut shit.

and yes, you can just eat it.

and yes, tolerance builds rapidly. It helps to make blends so you stay consistent instead of just dumping powder into a bowl or joint.
 
Got a different batch from another new vendor - lab certificate says made in Canada and is 98.78% pure +/- 2%.

Only differences: one 018 bag is fluffy like powder from one vendor, and the other bag is crystal and grainy. One smells a bit different than the other.

Potency is to similar to tell the difference, both leave white puddles when vaped (unless burned), and dissolve clearly in a 500mg / 4ml acetone without effecting color or consistency. They both crystallize quickly.

Anyone know anything about why the appearance would be different?
 
Neither is crystalline, ever, according to fastandbulbous. He's said JWH-018 is amorphous and doesn't crystallize. It just sticks to itself and forms clumps.
 
Hmm, very odd. The second batch is nearly shiny and slightly sparkly, unlike the other batch, which is more like flour in consistency. B

Both crystallize very evenly after being evaporated in acetone and being sprayed -- or rather sticks to the glass bowl and plant material. On the plant material, it is invisible. On the glass plate, it is as white as white gets, and seems to semi-crystallize. I thought JWH was at one point crystalline, but honestly Coolio, I think you a bit more about this than I.

I'm having a lot of trouble discerning why the two have consistency differences with almost no other discernable differences. I'll upload a picture comparing the two the best I can shortly -- let me know what you think. I know one is from Canada (grainy) and one is from "Europe" (flour consistency).
 
Try looking at it under a microscope and you'll see that it's probably globules and not a crystal lattice.
 
There's nothing unusual about them having different consistencies. If you take large grains of sugar and grind them down, you can get powdered sugar (usually some anti-caking agent is added to keep it from pulling moisture out of the air and sticking together). For crystalline substances, the size distribution will depend on nuances of the environment and process of recrystallization. The same is analogously true of amorphous things like, for example, glass.
 
Does anyone know of any blends available in the uk that are as effective as spice used to be? or are we back to them being bag's of mixed herbs with zero effect?

It seems k2 summit does the job, but the couple of sites i've visited wont ship to the uk, ditto with jwh-018, although getting that seems kind of sketchy i've heard there are a lot of scammers in the pharma sites.
 
Once again... MrNice, why would you want to buy this shit instead of making it yourself with the ingredients known to you and measured by you, for 1/100th the cost?
 
MrNice said:
It seems k2 summit does the job, but the couple of sites i've visited wont ship to the uk, ditto with jwh-018, although getting that seems kind of sketchy i've heard there are a lot of scammers in the pharma sites.
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There are. Please don't try to sneakily ask for sources - i consider this pretty close 8)
 
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