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So, I promised I would post results of my goofing around with jwh using the same method as my blend tutorial.

The starting spray was relatively decent, 7 cigs with 200mg jwh018 / 1ml acetone. I repeated this processes several times

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After a while I kinda said fuck it, started using a dropper... All in all I'd say I used about 400mg for 7 cigs. Waited ~24 hours.

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repeated again...

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Just smoked my first one and I will say this: While it may be the least effective way ever to smoke this (other than lighting a 200mg pile on fire and standing above it), it got me feeling like I was coming up on acid half way through.
 
Im sure this has been covered at some point iN this thread but its late and Im am to tired to skim through all the pages to find it. Does 018 vape clean? The kind I have now turns into a clear liquid and then pretty much disappears when its done smoking leaving behind no residue. Im just wondering if this is what its suppose to do or am I mabey over heating it?
 
Of course it should melt into a clear liquid and vaporize completely!

All the synthetic cannabinoids i've seen _in their pure form_ are white. JWH's, CP's, and AM-694 i've personally seen melt and vape.
It's nice to see that the material on the market is finally actually clean, even 6 months ago most of it had a yellow tinge (actually, the yellow stinky stuff would vape before the JWH, and then a little bit of some other crud would be left behind)


tb3o3g said:
If anyone is really that worried about the naphthalene element.
Both JWH-250 and SR-18 have no naphthyl ring at all.
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JWH-250 is weak, reports on SR-18 have been pretty poor too.

AM-694 is significantly better than JWH-250 imo (subjectively), though it has a bit of a low ceiling. You need to make a blend with like 5wt% AM-694 to make it sufficiently potent (for my tastes - and i'm not a heavy smoker)

CP-55,940 is far and away the best IMO (much more potent too, 2wt% blend with CP-55,940 is stronger than I need). Very clear headed high, much longer lasting than JWH's too, and a lot more complete (unlike the indole cannabinoids).

CP-47,497 is better than the JWH's, but it's not as clear or clean as CP-55,940.

I would reccommend AM-694, CP-55,940, and CP-47,497 over JWH-250 or SR-18. I personally also avoid all the synthetics with the napthoyl moiety due to the carcinogenicity issue.
 
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chainer3k said:
Just wanted to report after a 5 day, 1 gram JWH-073 binge, I can only report cocaine like fiend side effects, and an extreme urge to sleep 2 hours later which is resolved by reapplication of the drug (hence the coke-iness of the drug).

Thus far, no headaches or paranoia to report, nor phantom pain. I also take valium daily. Only one person has complained of paranoia (thought he needed to focus on breathing deep -- however after I told him paranoia of that sort is common, it ceased).

One day clean from everything illegal or "grey area". Will keep this updated as I think we need someone to keep progress of this stuff.

I just keep thinking about how I have a 10% chance of this stuff coming in he mail.

If anyone else is starting to smoke any JWH substance of any kind, and has had their vendor provide lab evidence or a pure looking/vaping product, please keep a log of side effects or lack thereof. The information posted here is valuable to many, many people, and can help with hard reduction in the future.

Will report on how making 500mg of 073 in 5G of Mullien, Raspberry leaves, and Passonfollow turns out. Thus far, a meth pipe is the best method if you have very clean product (nearly no vendor has 99.97% pure, no matter what they tell you. And if they do, consider myself jealous).

Moderation seems to be more important with this than with weed. Keep benzos or sleeping pills on hand for the minor W/Ds (difficulty sleeping or increased anxiety).
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Sounds like my life for 3 months... Take a hit.. Pass out.. Take a hit.. Pass out (3 months!!) I would smoke both a gram of 018, and 073 every two days.. If anyone should be dead it is fucking me.. I did exhibit physical withdrawal symptoms the day after or so after I went cold turkey. The withdrawal was consistent with my GABA neurotransmitters being very low. (Could not sleep for excess of a week without the aid of benzos, muscles were tense as they have ever been which is quite uncomfortable as they were much more suseptible to cramping when they were clenched which IS painful, was crankier than I have ever been in my LIFE, only thing that helped the most was Benzos, alcohol, and a opiate mix (Right to sleep with that, without any of those I was going quite insane) My tolerance is still not down to a level where I can get any considerable high from weed.. Been about 2 1/2 weeks)
 
Well at this point, it's been about a week of JWH018. 4 Grams in one week, deffinatly not all to my dome, but very large amounts. I do get headaches, but I've had those since my jaw got busted up and I was put in PT and a pain clinic. To be honest, for the first 30min-1hr I don't even need pain meds with 25mg of 018... So all in all, I'd say I could go through about 250mg a day to myself, sometimes in very impractical ways (dipping cigs into a bag of powder) or in blundered experiments.

No other side effects to report, other than once I start smoking, I don't stop.... I suppose that is the same way I was with the natural herb as well. Nearly all my friends have been matching me and it's the same way. We always end up doing a shit ton by 2am, trip for 15 minutes, and pass out. Been that way since this particular JWH has come in.

Let me phrase again: I'm glad I have a much of this as I do, however, I wish I could be smoking that nice natural plant. Only a few more weeks of DTs and then I can go back to smoking regularly again. I do plan on always having a nice 3-5 gram supply of JWH-018 on the backburner though. Caution and moderation amongst all others is the best advice I can give (or avoid RCs all together as there really isn't much information out there about a good bit of them).
 
safety concerns with synthetic buds

I was wondering if anyone knows about the safety of the synthetic buds? I found one that is extremely similar to herb called k2 and got a deal on it. It got me thru a few drug tests, but I wondered if it was known to be harmful or not? I consider herb to be safe relatively speaking, but I don't want to get some long term health problem just to get high.

If anyone has any info it would be appreciated.
 
I'm sure theres a whole bunch of threads around saying it's not so great for you. (remember seeing a thread titled jwh ruined my life)

just do a search man, i'd do it for ya but it's 5 30 am so forgive me for cba

^ beat me to it mawfucker
 
Assphace said:
K-2 contains some kind of synthetic cannabinoid; I believe JWH-018. You can find discussion on them (including safety) in the Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion thread (found here: http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=505153 )
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Thanks,

Assphace said it. Go ahead and post in that thread, I'll try to merge your OP into it... can be finicky sometimes and take a few minutes to show up.

Merged.

Chainer
 
I hate asking questions that I should be able to answer myself, but I can't find a suitable answer because I'm extremely tired and was just woke up, but I have a friend who just got trashed on some JWH (18 they say) and called me a little nervous because somebody brought up SSRIs during the conversation. They are on Fluoxitine? (sp, generic for Prozac I'm trying to type from memory heh) which I know is an SSRI, but I'm not sure if the combo is bad. I thought MAOIs were bad with the JWH series but honestly it's been so long... figured I'd throw out a message here to way more intelligent users than I =)
 
potholio said:
I hate asking questions that I should be able to answer myself, but I can't find a suitable answer because I'm extremely tired and was just woke up, but I have a friend who just got trashed on some JWH (18 they say) and called me a little nervous because somebody brought up SSRIs during the conversation. They are on Fluoxitine? (sp, generic for Prozac I'm trying to type from memory heh) which I know is an SSRI, but I'm not sure if the combo is bad. I thought MAOIs were bad with the JWH series but honestly it's been so long... figured I'd throw out a message here to way more intelligent users than I =)
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Here you are. Nothing scientific but it's the answer to your question. Glad you posted in the Mega Thread instead of making a new one - thanks for following the rules!
 
^ I've never noticed any negative side effects from JWH compounds and sertraline. It doesn't seem to wreck the high at all, I've been smoking for years but I can easily descern the difference. I have anxiety problems and it doesn't even induce any anxiety or panic.
 
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chainer3k said:
So, I promised I would post results of my goofing around with jwh using the same method as my blend tutorial.

The starting spray was relatively decent, 7 cigs with 200mg jwh018 / 1ml acetone. I repeated this processes several times

NSFW:
DSC01834.jpg


After a while I kinda said fuck it, started using a dropper... All in all I'd say I used about 400mg for 7 cigs. Waited ~24 hours.

NSFW:
yep2.jpg


repeated again...

NSFW:
DSC018401.jpg

Just smoked my first one and I will say this: While it may be the least effective way ever to smoke this (other than lighting a 200mg pile on fire and standing above it), it got me feeling like I was coming up on acid half way through.
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A bit off subject, but what kind of camera do you have? Those pics are great.
On topic, do you smoke the entire cigarette at once, or do you smoke half and save half? Not asking for myself, because I don't smoke cigarettes.
 
Oh, I smoke the whole thing, but I'd advise against it. It's a silly waste of a lot of JWH and would make the normal person freak the fuck out or pass out. Not trying to dick size, the tolerance with JWH-018 is just absurd.

I used to sell cameras, I use a DSLR for some things (not usually BL related) and a Sony DSC W80 (8 MP). I also have a Cannon SD850
 
hey chainer, in your video you said to use 100% acetone with no additives...I have a bottle of stuff that says 100% Pure Acetone but lists the ingredients as Acetone and Denatonium Benzoate. Is this stuff unfit to use? Every other store i checked at that carried 100% acetone had the same shit it in it. Would 91% isopropyl be pure enough to work?

Also...I got a batch from a new vendor recently and it looks almost identical to the product of my regular vendor and seems to vape clean/get me pretty high but has a very strong plastic type smell which ive never encountered before. Has anyone else got 018 that smelled strongly of plastic? im sure its pretty pure as ~5-10mgs does the job, just curious about the different smell as I KNOW my regular vendor is 97% pure and it doesnt smell anything like that
 
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Oh ROXIanne! said:
Denatonium Benzoate.
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Do Not Use!!! You will likely have to order it online, as I had to. I couldn't find non-denatured in any retail stores. FYI - if you couldn't make out in the video - I use "ForPro: Professional Collection Acetone: 100% Pure". There should be one ingredient: Acetone.

I've never used another solvent besides acetone as it works so goddamn well, but I can venture a guess and say that high alcohol content ISO would work alright (something like vodka would not, however). Best to give it a small test to see if it dissolves.
 
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Why thank you :) I was especially speedy because I don't want anyone getting hurt and inhaling denatured product. If people don't get an answer fast enough, they tend to just do things without thinking it through sometimes (I myself am a hasty motherfucker).
 
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