Sucking Jeremysdemo's balls & while trying to defend him on matters which you know nothing about doesn't change the fact that he is full of crap & incorrect in his assessments!
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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4
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LMAO! Maybe you should follow your own guidelines on netiquette, prick!
LeeviON
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I now have a bit more experience with NM-2201, here are my impressions:
-Tastes like ass and it lingers in your mouth for a while. Not noticeable really when mixed with tobacco or other 'noids though.
-According to my experience it gives your urine a greenish tint. It could be the chemical or just an impurity in this batch, but assuming it's the NM-2201, this might not be the best cannabinoid for those looking to beat a drug test.
-Dose is quite low, perhaps careful start (more of an allergy test) could be 0,8-1mg, and my normal dose somewhere not far from 1,5-2mg. My best scale measures single milligrams but only starts registering at 4-5mg so I'm not sure on the exact amounts.
-You feel it well within a minute, the peak is about 30-45 minutes and the whole thing lasts about 2 hours. It doesn't feel too short-lived at all, though.
-The effects have some of that stoned body feeling but with a headspace that makes you wanna do stuff and also makes your thoughts wonder. It's honestly very similar to the real deal, and I like it a lot!
I've only been using it for under a week so I have no idea of the long-term effects or addiction qualities.
That's all I can think of right now. Tl;dr: It has some negative aspects like the taste but overall gives a very nice marijuana-like high with a nice body feeling and head buzz. Me likey!
-Tastes like ass and it lingers in your mouth for a while. Not noticeable really when mixed with tobacco or other 'noids though.
-According to my experience it gives your urine a greenish tint. It could be the chemical or just an impurity in this batch, but assuming it's the NM-2201, this might not be the best cannabinoid for those looking to beat a drug test.
-Dose is quite low, perhaps careful start (more of an allergy test) could be 0,8-1mg, and my normal dose somewhere not far from 1,5-2mg. My best scale measures single milligrams but only starts registering at 4-5mg so I'm not sure on the exact amounts.
-You feel it well within a minute, the peak is about 30-45 minutes and the whole thing lasts about 2 hours. It doesn't feel too short-lived at all, though.
-The effects have some of that stoned body feeling but with a headspace that makes you wanna do stuff and also makes your thoughts wonder. It's honestly very similar to the real deal, and I like it a lot!
I've only been using it for under a week so I have no idea of the long-term effects or addiction qualities.
That's all I can think of right now. Tl;dr: It has some negative aspects like the taste but overall gives a very nice marijuana-like high with a nice body feeling and head buzz. Me likey!
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Smoking something that makes my pee green would scare the shit out of me, honestly.
I dabbled in blends that were sold in stores back a few years ago. . I got close to the vendor, and started asking what he really had IN the packs of Izms (now extinct), and what I received was that their blends mixed 3 types of jwh to make different strengths and weaknesses to match the public. I still have the list of what he sent me.
Soon i smoked so much of the lowest grade that i had to go to the highest grade. . I still think I've done some permanent damage. Especially with the newest kind they came out with before their operation was seized. It was banned in the UK and they were toting that it wasn't up here. .
One time a hotspot was encountered with my ex. .. she became delirious abd l and puked forever ; couldn't stop shaking. .. scary stuff.
I haven't used noids in a year and a half? But my tolerance to bud remains everso high, and if I walked into a store and magically saw a new blend? My addictive personality would give in for sure.
I dabbled in blends that were sold in stores back a few years ago. . I got close to the vendor, and started asking what he really had IN the packs of Izms (now extinct), and what I received was that their blends mixed 3 types of jwh to make different strengths and weaknesses to match the public. I still have the list of what he sent me.
Soon i smoked so much of the lowest grade that i had to go to the highest grade. . I still think I've done some permanent damage. Especially with the newest kind they came out with before their operation was seized. It was banned in the UK and they were toting that it wasn't up here. .
One time a hotspot was encountered with my ex. .. she became delirious abd l and puked forever ; couldn't stop shaking. .. scary stuff.
I haven't used noids in a year and a half? But my tolerance to bud remains everso high, and if I walked into a store and magically saw a new blend? My addictive personality would give in for sure.
LeeviON
Bluelighter
Yeah, I don't really like that side-effect since if I know anything about biology that means something's going on in my kidneys.. but since the 5F-AKB48 (that I have in addition to NM-2201) doesn't really do anything when I smoke it, and I can't really be without synthetics for longer than a few hours, smoking NM-2201 is all that's left :/
I've been mixing NM-2201 and 5F-AKB48 in about 60:40 or 50:50 ratios recently. My thinking is that if the urine colouration is a sign of some damage or toxicity, I've been only using it half as much, at least.
As I said 5f-AKB48 alone doesn't give me noticeable effects until I've smoken about 8-10mg and I get some serious thought-looping and my ego starts falling apart (an effect that I really fucking hate and has been the beginning of many bad trips.) Best part? Even then those are the only effects I feel. Btw I was smoking the contents of this very same bag of 5F before my tolerance got like this and it worked great, so no bunk product.
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NiceEnough
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I would just like to reiterate, all the ones I have tried have scared the shit out of me. Ab-Fubinaca is the only one I wanted to repeat, and not many times at all. The last dose I was literally hurtling through cannibinoid hyperspace without any tracks or direction after 3 tokes of a pure small joint - to answer the question of s poster above, that is pretty darn potent in my book. And this is coming from someone who has taken a lot of supposedly much stronger psychedelics. These scare me, and I cannot recommend them to anyone. Just as my abuse of white widow skunk cannabis likely caused damage to my brain in late teens, so these have the real potential to screw up brains, particularly young ones. Please exercise extreme caution, if possible avoiding altogether. Not one to say never but I don't think never is a harmful option in this case. But if you are going to use them, be aware of extreme potency. Again, 3 tokes of BB-22 left me holding onto my seat. Woah......
pharmakos
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white widow skunk cannabis damaged your brain?
NiceEnough
Bluelighter
Can't say for sure. I grew it for a while, smoked far too much, definitely dented my confidence and self-esteem and created a pattern of paranoia. Perhaps not physical (sorry for clumsy post) but definite temporary psychological and emotional damage. The synthetic cannibinoid I have tried definitely feel more potent and 'weird' than white widow ever did, hence my feeling they are best left alone. But each to their own of course.
See; I've been off noids for at least a year and a half. Maybe two. But I completely forgot how addictive these substabces were until i read what you said there. It made me realize if I accidentally found a blend of any kind in the store again.. game over for me.
I remember i was in so deep I'd actually wake up in the middle of my sleep, wide awake - until i smoked my jwh. I also started getting food backing up in my stomach and it's FINALLY SUBSISDING nearly two years later! It's almost as if it completely slowed my digestive system within my stomach. I would throw up food from 12 hours ago some days.
I really hope you find a way out friend... I only got out because it was thrown out of stores and I resisted buying pure product. MARIJUANA hasn't been the same since my noid abuse. It lost its magic for a year at least. Quite a horrible feeling to know you've ruined something you never grew to appreciate.
*I CAN'T PROVE THAT NOIDS DID THIS BUT you can damn well assume they did as i paricipated in nothing different during my addiction. This is merely to relate and inform.
LeeviON
Bluelighter
Yeah, I get this too (usually accompanied with immense sweating) - last night I woke up at about 4am, partly because I was sweating so much that I was shivering because of how cold my bed was
I took a hit and went back to sleep. I woke up the same way about three hours later, took a few hits and started my day.Well I've resisted to buy any mixes since day one and only been smoking pure powders with aluminium foil, straw, lighter, and the tip of a knife to measure doses (haven't OD'd like that to this day, unlike when rolling joints..)
Did you use anything to help you stop using cannabinoids, Drew.? I put about .1 grams of 5F-AKB48 powder in a safe place so when I run out I can at least try lowering my dose with that before I completely run out. I'm also hoping to get some benzos but then again I was addicted to benzos for a bit under a year, I had to once stop cold turkey after being on them 24/7, of course with 10 x therapeutic doses, for about 6-7 months. It was hell. I started using again a few weeks later and then thank god got a script for diazepam and enough self-control to keep within the daily dose.
Hm, got a bit sidetracked..
Also, I've succesfully used a BIT less cannabinoids (via smoking/vaping) simply by taking a low dose of 5F in an edible 2-3 times a day.
LeeviON
Bluelighter
I tried to see what this NM-2201 is soluble in. It seems to be insoluble in water, fat, and a mix of petroleum solvents. I haven't tried it with anything else yet, but gonna try acetone a bit later. Seems odd that it's insoluble in all those solvents, though.
Bud Factory -anyone knows it?
I've bought this pack of Bud Factory - Classic Extreme the other day. The lady told me it was very strong, so to put only a tiny bit in my cigarette with tobacco.
My mistake I guess, I put just some in a pipe because I don't like to smoke tobacco, and then it was supposed to be similar to weed, just legal, so at worst I could have stop smoking and went to sleep or collapse on the bed, right?
I have to say I am not a cannabis lover, so I don't usually smoke and when I do... I don't really enjoy it. But I do like try new things or old things in new situations, so sometimes I just think why not? and try again.
Last night I inhaled only once from the pipe and I felt it hitting very hard, so I decided to go back in my room. The time to go from the kitchen to the room and I was tripping hard.
What I felt, long story short, was that I had no body at all and I was the time, the space, I was the bloody Universe itself. It lasted for about 1-1.5 hours, then I was back to normal.
My question is: what did I smoke? Is it similar to a strong dose of cannabis?
I know it's a synthetic product, but my curiosity lasts. I'd really like to know what's the illegal substance most similar to this one. Ah yeah, I should say I never had a trip before, so I have no idea how one it is supposed to be. 8(
I've bought this pack of Bud Factory - Classic Extreme the other day. The lady told me it was very strong, so to put only a tiny bit in my cigarette with tobacco.
My mistake I guess, I put just some in a pipe because I don't like to smoke tobacco, and then it was supposed to be similar to weed, just legal, so at worst I could have stop smoking and went to sleep or collapse on the bed, right?
I have to say I am not a cannabis lover, so I don't usually smoke and when I do... I don't really enjoy it. But I do like try new things or old things in new situations, so sometimes I just think why not? and try again.
Last night I inhaled only once from the pipe and I felt it hitting very hard, so I decided to go back in my room. The time to go from the kitchen to the room and I was tripping hard.
What I felt, long story short, was that I had no body at all and I was the time, the space, I was the bloody Universe itself. It lasted for about 1-1.5 hours, then I was back to normal.
My question is: what did I smoke? Is it similar to a strong dose of cannabis?
I know it's a synthetic product, but my curiosity lasts. I'd really like to know what's the illegal substance most similar to this one. Ah yeah, I should say I never had a trip before, so I have no idea how one it is supposed to be. 8(
Hear Me Roar
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Google is your friend.
According to various sources, 'Bud Factory - Classic extreme', is made of a blend of some kind of herb/flower which is sprayed with 2 synthetic cannabinoids-
'5F-PB-22' - Quinolin-8-yl 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-1H-indole-3-carboxylate
'5F-AKB48' - N- (adamantan-1-yl)-1-(4-fluorobutyl)-1H-indazole-3-carboxylate
From experience and general reports from others, synthetic cannabinoids can have varying effects and also effect people differently. Some have a similar feel to a nice indica strain, really lethargic, stoney. Some have a similar feel to sativa, very alert, awake, upbeat. Others give an effect close to what you experienced. They're hit and miss really, the majority of people will say synths don't feel, 'clean'.
According to various sources, 'Bud Factory - Classic extreme', is made of a blend of some kind of herb/flower which is sprayed with 2 synthetic cannabinoids-
'5F-PB-22' - Quinolin-8-yl 1-(5-fluoropentyl)-1H-indole-3-carboxylate
'5F-AKB48' - N- (adamantan-1-yl)-1-(4-fluorobutyl)-1H-indazole-3-carboxylate
From experience and general reports from others, synthetic cannabinoids can have varying effects and also effect people differently. Some have a similar feel to a nice indica strain, really lethargic, stoney. Some have a similar feel to sativa, very alert, awake, upbeat. Others give an effect close to what you experienced. They're hit and miss really, the majority of people will say synths don't feel, 'clean'.
jeremysdemo
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well GC/MS results beg to differ from your assessment, I just got done telling you I would not take the word of a vendor, I do my own independent testing.
Have you ever even had JWH250 or THJ2201 in crystal form? just answer the question Claire.
it's unfortunate a lot of people do not even know what they are researching, they are taking the word of their vendors that they are being sold the correct product, which I do not recommend.
I would not doubt the THJ2201 you obtained (or whatever it really was) had it's own unique properties.
there are a lot of things about synthetic cannabinoids that effect they way in which they metabolize, like the forms they are in (powder, crystal, eg.) and their degradants, toxins, ect. along with MOA.
jeremysdemo
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I hear ya can't complain when something is free
Looks can be very deceiving, as can smells, Lab test if done at a good lab can find microscopic impurities, degradants and toxins our regular senses easily miss.
Unless something is tested for degradants and impurites there is really no way to know if it is the substance itself causing the side effects, IMHO.
foolsgold
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hello people any idea how hard it is to make you own e-cig liquid ?
foolsgold
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cheers jeremy
LeeviON
Bluelighter
Sorry if this has been asked already but has anyone experienced this: I took a deep toke of some pure noids, maybe held it in for a while, and as I was exhaling everything "almost" blacked out. I can remember something about my legs and arms moving up and down violently, something else too but I can't remember it, and afterwards I knew where I was but didn't know what time & day it was until I checked from my computer. Could've just as easily been 11PM as 7AM for all I knew.
The memory of this is not like memories of normal events, more like that of a dream. It's very fuzzy and afterwards I forget most of it in a minute or two.
This happens maybe a few times a week, always as I'm inhaling synthetic noids.
Edit: It happened again but not nearly as bad, I remember my hands being kind of "locked" to the table, my body was shaking but they wouldn't let go.
It sounds a bit like a seizure to me but I shouldn't be able to remember any of it, right?
The memory of this is not like memories of normal events, more like that of a dream. It's very fuzzy and afterwards I forget most of it in a minute or two.
This happens maybe a few times a week, always as I'm inhaling synthetic noids.
Edit: It happened again but not nearly as bad, I remember my hands being kind of "locked" to the table, my body was shaking but they wouldn't let go.
It sounds a bit like a seizure to me but I shouldn't be able to remember any of it, right?
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