[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

[Toz]

Front, I forget what it's called. It's right behind the forehead and it builds up some kind of pressure and makes me terribly dizzy and I get a bad headache before it disappears. It's usually accompanied by weird slow rhytmic moving of muscles in the entire body and causes me to see lots of flashing lights for a moment.

This never really happens while on dissocatives, it's more if I smoke during the comedown, then it happens. Maybe it's just the usual dissociative comedown that I tend to notice more? But still, I don't really get this problem from doing either drug alone.

I would avoid it just because of the napthelene carcinogen.

THJ-2201 has the potential to be just as short acting and addictive as AM-2201, read the reviews and horror stories as drugsforum.com

Damn they still shelving out these naphtalene disasters? I thought once was enough with the MN-something :/

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

MN-series compounds will metabolize into naphthylAMINE, a hazardous DNA alkylating agent also found in cigarettes.

JWH- series and THJ- series will produce the far less carcinogenic naphthALENE.

Each of these is far safer than a single cigarrette.

And Jeremy's demo, THJ-2201 is barely active. Hardly 'addictive' like AM-2201.

5F-THJ122 (MAM-2201 2-indazole) is the only THJ worth it's weight for serious researchers. It is quite good.

Quite a few people like the other THJs to 'round out' better cannabinoids like the PB22s, but alone they are identical to AB-001 in subjective effects.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

*EDIT* is legal everywhere and the best all around cannabinoid this far. 3 hour duration, 1-2mg dose, no 'fear' lots of smiling.

* I've been told some cunt named Pam Bondi is scanning public forums for new cannabinoids and subsequently emergency scheduling them - for the state of Florida at least. In light of this, I think it is wise to remove the name of this new blockbuster. You guys know where to go for more info.

 

[Toz]

^Thanks for the clarification.

Does anyone here have experience ordering bulk quantities from china? It seems so much cheaper and better honestly, I'm tired of feeding middle men.

 

[Seyer]

Merged.

 

[hx_]

^Thanks for the clarification.

Does anyone here have experience ordering bulk quantities from china? It seems so much cheaper and better honestly, I'm tired of feeding middle men.

Quite possibly a very terrible idea. I got a 50g bag of AM2201 just over two years back now, which came as a loose, cellophane thickness bag with multiple holes in inside a ripped envelope, it was leaking powder on the postoffice desk when I picked it up.

Shortly my habit turned to full blown addiction, went from 50mg a day to 300mg+ a day, to actually get high I had to smoke 40mg AM2201 in one go. Smoking every hour at first but towards the end it was more like every 20 mins (including nighttime, I HAD to smoke to sleep, and I wake up hourly at most for more), and when I stopped after tapering to 100mg/day at the end of the bag, it took a couple weeks before I could eat more than half a portion, a month before I felt mentally 'ok' and another month to feel 'normal' again, although after a year of being high 24/7 reality seemed a lot different and more intimidating.

I think I remember you mentioning that you smoke over 200mg a day or something. Was that you? I so, please stop now before you ruin yourself physically and mentally for a few months at least.

 

[dopemegently]

I think he's just flown over my head there.

 

[dopemegently]

^sorry, that was actually referring to a post on another page; for some reason, it won't let me delete or edit posts anymore.

 

[pharmakos]

gotta right click the edit button and open in a new tab

 

[dopemegently]

It's weird, it lets me get to the edit part, but clicking anything ie save, delete, has no effect at all. (I'm on a tab, not a PC and never had this problem before).

 

[Seyer]

gotta right click the edit button and open in a new tab

This ^

Works with quoting posts as well.

 

[jeremysdemo]

JWH- series and THJ- series will produce the far less carcinogenic naphthALENE.

good catch it is easy to confuse the two.

And Jeremy's demo, THJ-2201 is barely active. Hardly 'addictive' like AM-2201.

I am speaking strictly clinically since it is also AM2201 indazole analog 5-fluoro THF 018.

being an analog of AM2201 it has the potential to be as addictive, and even more potential for activity with the (5-​fluoropentyl).

but if you are speaking from experience that is different, sometimes the way things are metabolized differs from their potential on paper, as well as not all vendors are supplying pure product or even the correct product in many cases.

5F-THJ122 (MAM-2201 2-indazole) is the only THJ worth it's weight for serious researchers. It is quite good.

sounds sketchy, no known data a cayman chem, tho these are all listed:

11779 MAM2201 N-pentanoic acid metabolite - ≥98%
14366 MAM2201 N-pentanoic acid metabolite-d5 New - ≥99% deuterated forms (d1- d5)
11778 MAM2201 N-(4-hydroxypentyl) metabolite - ≥95%
9001219 MAM2201 1354631-24-5 ≥98%
11688 XLR11 N-(4-pentenyl) analog 1445578-20-0 ≥98%
13103 MAM2201 N-(5-chloropentyl) analog 1445578-25-5 ≥98%
11619 MAM2201-d5 - ≥99% deuterated forms (d1- d5)
ISO00120 MAM2201 RM New 1354631-24-5
12052 MAM2201 N-(5-chloropentyl) analog-d5 - ≥99% deuterated forms (d1- d5)
11782 MAM2201 N-(4-fluoropentyl) isomer - ≥95%
11780 MAM2201 N-(2-fluoropentyl) isomer - ≥95%
11781 MAM2201 N-(3-fluoropentyl) isomer
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I am leery of any information coming from oversea vendors.....often (like with ZZ-1) things are not what they claim, that one ended up being MPPP, not a cannabinoid at all.

 

[jeremysdemo]

Does anyone here have experience ordering bulk quantities from china?

yes I do,

a few things to consider, you are taking all the risk through customs, fine if the vendor guarantees refund in that case, few do anymore.

also, risky if not a known good vendor, good idea to check the IP address of the website and any emails you communicate with them, if it says Indonesia , africa or russia I would avoid those known scam areas.

you do just as well in Europe IMHO.

 

[N0 W4RN1NG]

Jeremy's demo, I understand very well why you might imagine THJ-2201 could be addictive from a qSAR standpoint. That was my initial thought as well.

But I was one of the first people on the planet to actually give THJ-2201 a bioassay, and it sucks.

Cayman chem doesn't have a reference standard for 5F-THJ122, yet. They probably will in a week or two. That's how caymanchem works, we describe blistering new drugs of abuse before they've even heard of them, THEN caymanchem catches up and produces a forensic standard.

The THJs behave similarly to 2-Methyl JWH's - CB2 selective, except in some cases, like fluoropentyl chains and with extra bulk on the naphthalene, we can coax CB1 efficacy back out.

 

[jeremysdemo]

Jeremy's demo, I understand very well why you might imagine THJ-2201 could be addictive from a qSAR standpoint. That was my initial thought as well.

But I was one of the first people on the planet to actually give THJ-2201 a bioassay, and it sucks.

Cayman chem doesn't have a reference standard for 5F-THJ122, yet. They probably will in a week or two. That's how caymanchem works, we describe blistering new drugs of abuse before they've even heard of them, THEN caymanchem catches up and produces a forensic standard.

The THJs behave similarly to 2-Methyl JWH's - CB2 selective, except in some cases, like fluoropentyl chains and with extra bulk on the naphthalene, we can coax CB1 efficacy back out.

what in your opinion keeps THJ's outside of the reach of US federal analog law?

so far the ones I have read about state quite clearly they are analogs of already Schedule 2 substances.

I am just curious how the industry came to producing THJ's if they are sometimes less effective and just as illegal as their analogs....

 

[jeremysdemo]

and that brings me to the catch 22 of internet forums....

experimenters need them to find the latest legal regal,

but then once they are talked about publicly the DEA puts them on the fast track to emergency scheduling.....

it's almost better if we all stop talking about them....but then how will we know anything?

a real conundrum for researchers...

I was even a member of a private exclusive forum with a wealth of info and somehow the feds got in their an shut it down....

oh tis a tragic life for this caped crusader....

encrypted sources busted, no one can be trusted,

vendors and the users are thoroughly disgusted.

synth noids.....blow away...Rang dang diggedy dang di-dang

 

[Toz]

Anyone of you people with better knowledge that could tell me if AB-Fubinaca has any bad metabolites (doesn't seem so to me though)? I would like to know before I make a larger purchase that is going to replace JWH-018 as my standard cannabinoid. The bag from 2007 is almost empty now and AB-Fubinaca seems to be a good lasting replacement. It's not as good as JWH-018 but it's the best since that and 073 in my oppinion (073 was awesome being only a partial agonist it really felt like real weed in my oppinion).

 

[jeremysdemo]

Anyone of you people with better knowledge that could tell me if AB-Fubinaca has any bad metabolites (doesn't seem so to me though)?

none that I know of, legally tho it is Schedule I Section (h) Subsection (17) DEA code 7012

of course it depends on how you are qualifying the term "bad metabolites", a bad metabolite to me is one that shows up in urine test.

now if you mean adverse side effects to brain and organ health, I have heard of reports with that one, headaches mostly.

(4-fluorobenzyl) is starting be widely used in compounds for Aids treatments and was found in derivatives of natural bioactive product dibenzyltrisulfide (Petiveria allieacea) being used in cancer research, which showed promise in tumor treatment, so it does not behave like even chains of fluoropentyl-indoles found in some synths that produce fluorotoxicity in the hypothalamus.

there was I reason I went for AB-PINACA which I can't remember off the top of my head, other than it is not DEA or forensic listed at forendex.

 

[Toz]

none that I know of, legally tho it is Schedule I Section (h) Subsection (17) DEA code 7012

of course it depends on how you are qualifying the term "bad metabolites", a bad metabolite to me is one that shows up in urine test.

now if you mean adverse side effects to brain and organ health, I have heard of reports with that one, headaches mostly.

(4-fluorobenzyl) is starting be widely used in compounds for Aids treatments and was found in derivatives of natural bioactive product dibenzyltrisulfide (Petiveria allieacea) being used in cancer research, which showed promise in tumor treatment, so it does not behave like even chains of fluoropentyl-indoles found in some synths that produce fluorotoxicity in the hypothalamus.

there was I reason I went for AB-PINACA which I can't remember off the top of my head, other than it is not DEA or forensic listed at forendex.

Yea, being toxic is what I meant with bad metabolites. I've tried AB-Pinaca but found it a inferior version of the Fubinaca so I'm going with this one, we don't have analogue laws here so anything not specifically listed is fair game. (though all unregistered chems are subject to seize and destroy if caught in customs, which sucks)

 

[jeremysdemo]

Yea, being toxic is what I meant with bad metabolites.

understood, on the fluorotoxicity side it seems rather safe, if anything it might prove to be beneficial/anti-cancerous in properties.

I've tried AB-Pinaca but found it a inferior version of the Fubinaca so I'm going with this one,

that would be the fluorobenzyl, it seems to be the only noteworthy difference in the two, besides the pentyl in PINACA.

that being said trip reports are confirming a low shelf life on the receptors with Fubinaca, 20 min?

while Pinaca is being reported in the 30-45 min range per 2mg does.

I guess it all depends on what one is looking for, extreme highs or longevity....I know that was the problem many users of AM2201 expressed and what made it so addictive with urge to redose every 20 min...leading to built up tolerance....

we don't have analogue laws here so anything not specifically listed is fair game. (though all unregistered chems are subject to seize and destroy if caught in customs, which sucks)

sounds good thus far, just added that bit of info for readers this side of the pond.