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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 4

atv said:
Bump please.
I have added 500mg 5f PB22 to 50grams of Afghan hash incense (base only no THC).

So ended up with a product containing 10mg per gram roughly. Used a pestle and mortar and fork to grind up fine and then added the 5f PB22 trying to distribute it as evenly as i could. I then warmed in microwave until it was hot enough to press into a ball, hope it did not destroy any chemical but I could still press it into a ball without burning my hands. JUST ABOUT.

I have little to zero tolerance to THC, never tried cannabinoids. Have I used a good amount? What would be a good dose of the finished product?

I also have 5F AKB48 is the ratio similar?

Many thanks
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might be kinda weak, should still give you a buzz tho
 
thenightwatch said:
might be kinda weak, should still give you a buzz tho
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I'm looking for something light to be honest. Can always add more if needed. But no more 5fpb22 left, only 5f-ak48 safe to throw a bit of that in the mix?
Is this from experience with 5fpb22 @thenightwatch? Smoked or oral and how much to use with my 10mg per gram? Want to try this out tomorrow. I heard a guy saying that he was extremely high from >1mg 5fpb22!

I also have 5fakb48 and another 100g or so of this legal base hash. My 5fpb22 batch of 50g that i have prepared, is so dense that if a dealer tried to sell me even as an oz it I would think its underweight! However it smells just like the real deal its incredible. Any ideas what it might be made from? Can it be heated and crumbled without destroying noids? The stuff is so tough!

Is it true that the synth noids carry physical withdrawal and make you paranoid or if not more paranoid than THC? I dont mind a spliff after a drink or some kind of stim, but strong skunk or even strong hash alone makes me para as fcuk! I only got this as it was a very small cost, well, free apart from the noids.

Luckily I've got some valium at hand should things get too much for me but Ive heard that these synths don't last long, correct?

Could I vape it on foil? I quit smoking 6 weeks ago, dont wanna touch tobacco and make a spliff.

I'm aware that I'm asking so many questions but if someone could give me a sum up of what I should do taking into account my recent dislike, no tolerance and paranoia with thc, these 5f's are so new i cant find good info anywhere! Don't wanna lose my mind on untested chems!
 
1mg might be a decent dose, but that means you'd have to smoke a whole tenth of a gram. personally, i like to just take one to three puffs and be done smoking.

there shouldn't be any additional risks from combining 5F-PB-22 and 5F-AKB-48.

i don't know what your "legal hash" is made from, but i've heard some "legal hash" is made using Hops. (yes, the same herb that's added to some beers)

synthetic cannabinoids can cause physical withdrawal, but you have to smoke a lot of them before you get to that point. you seem like you're going to be appropriately cautious, so i doubt it will be a problem for you. just don't get carried away. :)

you are right in saying that synthetic cannabinoids don't last very long. the valium probably wouldn't even kick in until the cannabinoids started to wear off.

i personally don't like vaping on foil. seems like it is much harsher on the mouth/lungs, and also it seems to be sort of wasteful.

no worries about asking too many questions, that's what this site is for. :) ask away if you have any more questions.
 
thenightwatch said:
1mg might be a decent dose, but that means you'd have to smoke a whole tenth of a gram. personally, i like to just take one to three puffs and be done smoking.

there shouldn't be any additional risks from combining 5F-PB-22 and 5F-AKB-48.

i don't know what your "legal hash" is made from, but i've heard some "legal hash" is made using Hops. (yes, the same herb that's added to some beers)

synthetic cannabinoids can cause physical withdrawal, but you have to smoke a lot of them before you get to that point. you seem like you're going to be appropriately cautious, so i doubt it will be a problem for you. just don't get carried away. :)

you are right in saying that synthetic cannabinoids don't last very long. the valium probably wouldn't even kick in until the cannabinoids started to wear off.

i personally don't like vaping on foil. seems like it is much harsher on the mouth/lungs, and also it seems to be sort of wasteful.

no worries about asking too many questions, that's what this site is for. :) ask away if you have any more questions.
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thenightwatch said:
1mg might be a decent dose, but that means you'd have to smoke a whole tenth of a gram. personally, i like to just take one to three puffs and be done smoking.

there shouldn't be any additional risks from combining 5F-PB-22 and 5F-AKB-48.

i don't know what your "legal hash" is made from, but i've heard some "legal hash" is made using Hops. (yes, the same herb that's added to some beers)

synthetic cannabinoids can cause physical withdrawal, but you have to smoke a lot of them before you get to that point. you seem like you're going to be appropriately cautious, so i doubt it will be a problem for you. just don't get carried away. :)

you are right in saying that synthetic cannabinoids don't last very long. the valium probably wouldn't even kick in until the cannabinoids started to wear off.

i personally don't like vaping on foil. seems like it is much harsher on the mouth/lungs, and also it seems to be sort of wasteful.

no worries about asking too many questions, that's what this site is for. :) ask away if you have any more questions.
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Thanks nightwatch for being understanding, i just want to test this out just for research purposes initially.

I could cut off 1gram as my digis broke and my kitchen scales only measure 1g minimum. Eyeball a tenth of that gram and smoke through a DIY pipe tomorrow I suppose and still be done with it within a few tokes. Safer than eyeballing a tenth of powder.

I was thinking of taking the valium beforehand by the way as I know the half life is much longer on V's. (My tolerance to V's is moderate, 40+ or - mg with beers for recreation, but 5 - 10 for therapeutic. I think in this instance I would obviously go down the therapeutic route) Though I would like to gauge how it feels without vals, so that I know if I can take it without having to use anxiety drugs prior to ingestion, as I don't have vals all the time but currently have a reasonable stash.

The only remaining questions are:
How does the anxiety compare to THC?
Is the effect completely different to cannabis, definitely shorter acting does that mean more intense?
Physical addiction makes it seem completely different to thc, as thats only psychological (for me as a lad)
Final one - is 5F AKB48 a similar dosage to 5FPB22

Also my resin smells SO much like hash it would be surprising to me if it is hops! Hope they didn't actually give me hash! Could it possibly be hemp resin? Don't know if that exists/legal !?
Cheers for your help man, is great to have advice on the unknown.
 
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yeah, i say go at it without valium for your first try. a valium habit is arguably much worse than a cannabinoid habit, so you shouldn't get used to using valium every time you smoke (unless you smoke very rarely).

hard to say how the anxiety compares to THC -- i've had some really chill times on both and i've had some really anxious times on both

it is not completely different from cannabis, but it can be more intense depending on your dosage. it is possible to get much higher on synthetic cannabinoids, because most of them are full agonists at the cannabinoid receptors, whereas THC is only a partial agonist.

cannabis can show physical withdrawal symptoms as well if you smoke enough of it. it is easier to overdo it on synthetics though, due to them being more potent and due to them being full agonists.

i'm not sure about dosage for those two chems. dosage preferences vary anyway -- always best to start very small and work your way up to a dosage that you enjoy.

if it was sold as a legal alternative then it is very unlikely to contain anything sourced from the cannabis plant.
 
thenightwatch said:
yeah, i say go at it without valium for your first try. a valium habit is arguably much worse than a cannabinoid habit, so you shouldn't get used to using valium every time you smoke (unless you smoke very rarely).

hard to say how the anxiety compares to THC -- i've had some really chill times on both and i've had some really anxious times on both

it is not completely different from cannabis, but it can be more intense depending on your dosage. it is possible to get much higher on synthetic cannabinoids, because most of them are full agonists at the cannabinoid receptors, whereas THC is only a partial agonist.

cannabis can show physical withdrawal symptoms as well if you smoke enough of it. it is easier to overdo it on synthetics though, due to them being more potent and due to them being full agonists.

i'm not sure about dosage for those two chems. dosage preferences vary anyway -- always best to start very small and work your way up to a dosage that you enjoy.

if it was sold as a legal alternative then it is very unlikely to contain anything sourced from the cannabis plant.
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Wow,

I never knew cannabis was physically addictive. When I got my first *proper girlfiend around 18 or 19 I stopped smoking after 2+ years of daily skunk use with no negative effects at all, in fact only positive effects! Contentment maybe, not that I'm not now haha.

Ok will cut off 100mg of my resin, crumble into a few tokes, and wait a few minutes before re-toking to see how I feel. Then if I don't like it will cease to ingest. I just hope I got a homogenous mixture as i used a pestle and mortar but did grind it and evenly distribute it as much as I could manually before microwaving to mould into a block and refrigerate to harden. Think I did a good job.

**Sorry! Last Q's - Heat - As i microwaved after adding noids would this destroy any chems (Not too hot but hard to hand hold for more than five seconds) and also would crumbling with a lighter like hash have a negative impact (I'm a noob I know) Plus they are probably stupid questions as you smoke it anyway! (I presume smoking is more beneficial than oral). Also how on earth can it not be derived from the plant if THC is the active in the plant?
Thats it! Will report after trying!

Thanks for all your help man! Have a good night!
 
i really have no idea if microwaving it would have damaged it. possibly? only one way to find out now, i suppose =p

crumbling it with a lighter shouldn't do anything

atv said:
Also how on earth can it not be derived from the plant if THC is the active in the plant?
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i was talking about your legal hash. probably not sourced from cannabis, probably doesn't contain THC.
 
bloodshed344 said:
A lot of people don't get cannabinoid withdrawal symptoms from what I've seen
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Do you or anyone else know anything about whether the microwaving method mentioned might have caused any damage to the noids? It was in for about 45 seconds, came out quite hot to the touch but was able to mould to a ball without too much trouble, the freezed instantly for 10 mins just to cool and solidify nicely.

If nightwatch is say that using a lighter to crumble the stuff shouldn't do any damage then surely the quick nuke in the microwave method wouldnt have? Is that right?
 
^no damage caused.

AM-906, anyone here tried it? It was really expensive compared to the usual noids (4x price almost). Too much for me to throw my money away at the moment. Looking at the structure it seems like it could be a hit though.
 
hm upon closer inspection AM-906 and Perrottetinene may both just barely slip past the law (at least in a technical sense -- of course, they can probably convict you for anything they want to in the current legal environment)

the law makes the following structural class illegal: "‘(i) 2-(3-hydroxycyclohexyl)phenol with substitution at the 5-position of the phenolic ring by alkyl or alkenyl, whether or not substituted on the cyclohexyl ring to any extent."

AM-906:

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^ has a 3-hydroxymethyl rather than a 3-hydroxy on the cyclohexyl ring

Perrottetinene:

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^^ the left ring isn't a cyclohexyl due to different saturation (i'm not sure of the name of that particular type of ring), and the 3-position on it has a methyl rather than a hydroxy


both are very close to the structure cited in the US law, but not quite there.
 
seems like all the new blends are using AB F and AB P since pb22 blends are now illegal.
 
Anyone try 5F-AB-PINACA? It seems vastly different to AB-PINACA, like WAY different. AB-PINACA was awesome, orally active, very stony and relaxing, whereas 5F-AB-PINACA was not orally active, super stimulatory and didn't even feel very weed like. I am just surprised by the huge difference and was wondering if anyone else could comment on this? I am wondering if what I had wasn't 5F-AB-PINACA.
 
^ i can't imagine why they would be so different that one is orally active while the other isn't

maybe one of chems you got was actually a different chem mislabelled as an AB-PINACA?
 
Doesn't make sense right? I have heard that the 5f's tend to be more stimulating than their pentyl counterparts but it doesn't make sense for one to be orally active and the other not. I'm thinking this 5f-ab-pinaca is some other fluorinated compound.
 
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