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Old Mega Synthetic thread got too big. We had to put it down before it took over BL.

Peep the FAQ, you all know how it goes:


FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.

4) What color should XYZ be?
- Depends on variant. Pure JWH for most variants are going to be white to off white scale. There is a guide on how to clean your JWH if you think it is suspect in the previous thread. Use the Search Engine.

5) Is JWH water soluable?
- Only use pure, food grade acetone. PURE ACETONE.

6) Can I inhale JWH/powdered forms?
- Yes, but why you would do this is beyond me. First, it's a waste. Second, if you have pure form JWH, why the hell wouldn't you just eat it or smoke it. Don't bother blowing something that isn't water soluable. Waste. And stupid.

7) I bought a prepackaged blend - can I somehow cook with this?
- Shut up. I told you not to buy those pre-packed blends - they are robbery, dirty, and you don't know what they are putting into it. Some have been known to contain WASTE PRODUCTS from the process of making JWH that is TOXIC. If you are dead-set on this, you can try an acetone wash, though what these blends contain is a crap shoot.

8 ) is XZY more safe than XZY2?
- Some are less risky than others. You can do the research on this yourself. I suggest wiki, and bluelight's vast database of information. JWH 250's missing N-ring provides some evidence that it is less carcinogenic than others.

9) Just how unsafe are these?
- Get it through your head. We are the guinnee pigs for these new designer drugs. Use wisely, and with the acceptance that you may grow a third arm or your dick might fall off. Or it might get bigger. Who knows.

10 ) Can I eat this?
- In it's powdered form, yes, though some are more potent than others. Eating JWH will involve a solid 5-8 hours of being very high. Watch your dosages, you can always dose up but you can never dose down. Don't forget that. Also, don't try high dosages unless you can handle some extreme panic. If you can handle a bad LSD trip, you might have a grasp on what a high dose can do to you.

Warning: If you insist upon using synthetic cannaboids, use them in their pure form, and learn to make your own blends. I have posted a video guide on how to do this in the last edition of this thread. You can do the work finding it.

So, what can you ask?

Anything that has not been covered before. Any editions to the "don't bother asking" list, PM me and it will be considered.

-Chainer
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Anything you think should be added to the FAQ? Post here or PM.

Old thread located here

-Chainer

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Hi im new here and just made this account to see what i can learn about this topic.

I am 18 and ive been using marijuana for around 2 years and thats pretty much all i did. Recently i havent been making enough money from work to buy weed so i decided to take a break for a few weeks. Then last week my friend told me about this incense called,"<snip>" Its only sold in michigan where i live and we decided to do some. It basically starts out as a weird cannabis/K2 feeling and can escalate really fast. After a couple hits you're screwed up. I knew this stuff wasnt good and that we shouldnt be doing it when he said i could have the rest since he had soccer tryouts and he didnt have time to do it. So i did it maybe 4 more times and i had a bad trip 2 times. I ended up having a panic attack and a really fast heart rate and probably high blood pressure though i couldnt check. My head felt weird and my vision and breathing was weird too. I decided to flush the crap and decided i was done with it for good and only would do cannabis again. Its been a couple days now and today i got the worst headache ive ever had. I thought what if its from the K2 (for the sake of the story lets assume its was some kind of cannabinoid). I searched google for it and found another thread on this site about people having the same problem with these headaches that go on from weeks to months and dont go away. Naturally i got very scared and since the thread was old i decided to start a new one with my own experience. I realize that this was a really stupid decision to do this stupid drug and i regret it very badly, i just really hope this didnt screw my life up. So if anyone could help me out with this i would appreciate it very much. I dont want to live with this. God bless anyone who can help me.
 
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It's not necessary to jump to the conclusion that you did anything permanent to yourself. If you give yourself a bit of time it may just pass sooner than you think. And reading other people's experiences of never-ending headaches may just unnecessarily increase your anxiety.

I had a migraine that triggered a headache lasting weeks once. When I got my scan done it was fine. I'm actually waiting for another scan but it's been like a year and half (slow health system). So I mean none of us can say with certainty what is causing the headache, but it just doesn't seem likely this is something permanent. I don't know what sort of tests they can run but getting some tests done might alleviate some stress. Good luck <3
 
The synthetic pot floating around, especially where there is already medical marijuana.... is *very* strong, as you've discovered. It's not like regular weed..... you can't just keep smoking it. One or two hits is all that's required. Any more, and you'll start running into bad anxiety and panic reactions. Tolerance is also built up fast, and after prolonged use, it will cause withdrawal syndrome upon quitting cold-turkey.
For myself personally, it takes a lot to get to that point, but I've seen those unused to synthetic THC nearly flip out from only one bowl. Some people are also intolerant of whatever herbs the solution is applied to, which may also account for things like headaches.

Now.... this is my own opinion.... but I wouldn't doubt if many of the normally ornamental or wild herbs used in incense have had pesticides/fungicides used on them as well...... even if that's for some unlikely, it's still a pretty damn good reason to not touch the stuff, and to get your friends to stop using it as well.

BTW.... It is also a burn on the wallet. I even ran into a few places in MI that sold their own brands, but was actually from a very potent European brand, packaged and resold at 300% of what its available for online. That's the problem with incense.... it's almost impossible to know what you're dealing with. And as of the last time I tried keeping track, there were over 50 new (synthesized & theorized) THC analogues I found in the past two years alone.

I don't suggest you do anything, but if you gotta, just say no to the synthetic herb and stick to the natural variety.
 
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I've dealt with JWH-018. As long as you modulate the dose, you should be good. Like Ixhellian said, you can't smoke until you pass out because this synthetic stuff is more potent and works in a different way, compared to cannabis. If potency alone was the only difference, you wouldn't have these unusual cases involving vomiting, seizures, and convulsions. Anyway, I think you are overreacting and the headaches will cease, given enough time. I can't see any tangible benefit of putting oneself out there, too much, with drugs (including methylone, mephedrone, mdpv, etc.) that have just recently become popular, compared to tried and true street drugs such as cannabis, ecstasy, cocaine, etc.
 
Thanks for the imput everyone. All your responses helped calm my nerves about this situation. Hopefully everything turns out ok and ill probably post again if it doesn't. You should have seen this stuff though, sketchiest bag ever. The label was made on Microsoft Words. xD
 
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Thanks for the imput everyone. All your responses helped calm my nerves about this situation. Hopefully everything turns out ok and ill probably post again if it doesn't. You should have seen this stuff though, sketchiest bag ever. The label was made on Microsoft Words. xD
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No worries. That's what we're here for.

And sketchy "Spice" packets are becoming much more common. As the Feds and States progressively ban new chems, some local vendors are simply repackaging old banned incense stocks, so they can still make their money back off the old shipments.
 
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ur144

Has anyone else here tried "ur144" (aka "mn001"") heres the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(1-Pentylindol-3-yl)-(2,2,3,3-tetramethylcyclopropyl)methanone

what did you think of it? theoretically, does this look any safer or more dangerous than other synthetic noids currently available?

I've had it in 2 different blends now, and it has been great, by far the best synthetic I've tried. Really nice body high, giggly, significantly less anxiety than am2201, and 1:30+ before Im completely back at baseline . Kinda sedative on the comedown and absolutely insane munchies. Ive had like 4 meals over the past couple hours
 
Old Mega Synthetic thread got too big. We had to put it down before it took over BL.

Peep the FAQ, you all know how it goes:


FAQ:

Questions You Should Not Ask:

1) What is in blend "XYZ".
-We don't know. Vendors will not give out this information as it opens them up to lawsuit. It is MUCH, MUCH, MUCH safer to use RCs when you know what fucking RC you are ingesting.
The distributor isn't going to tell you what's in it, and I'm not going to pay for GC/MS on a blend, I don't know about you. I don't think that there's an easy reagent test a la Marquis that could be used to differentiate cannabinoids easily (the existing reagents might be able to, but stoners are lazy so no-one's bothered to find out). What would be the real HR value anyway, given that all of the drugs in these blends are totally unresearched? There are also a huge number of these blends, if we were going to start somewhere it would be the various Spice and K2 blends, not some obscure blend you bought in your local area. If you really want to know what you're putting in your body, stay away from propietary blends and make your own from known amounts of cannabinoids and herbs that you acquire, pure, yourself, or, better yet, smoke cannabis.

2) "I am having XYZ side effects. What could this be caused by?
- Likely by ingesting an unknown chemical that we cannot possibly help you identify.

3) "Are these drugs safe?"
- We do not know. We will not know for some time. Perhaps we will never know for sure. There is very little information about the large majority of these RCs.

4) What color should XYZ be?
- Depends on variant. Pure JWH for most variants are going to be white to off white scale. There is a guide on how to clean your JWH if you think it is suspect in the previous thread. Use the Search Engine.

5) Is JWH water soluable?
- Only use pure, food grade acetone. PURE ACETONE.

6) Can I inhale JWH/powdered forms?
- Yes, but why you would do this is beyond me. First, it's a waste. Second, if you have pure form JWH, why the hell wouldn't you just eat it or smoke it. Don't bother blowing something that isn't water soluable. Waste. And stupid.

7) I bought a prepackaged blend - can I somehow cook with this?
- Shut up. I told you not to buy those pre-packed blends - they are robbery, dirty, and you don't know what they are putting into it. Some have been known to contain WASTE PRODUCTS from the process of making JWH that is TOXIC. If you are dead-set on this, you can try an acetone wash, though what these blends contain is a crap shoot.

8 ) is XZY more safe than XZY2?
- Some are less risky than others. You can do the research on this yourself. I suggest wiki, and bluelight's vast database of information. JWH 250's missing N-ring provides some evidence that it is less carcinogenic than others.

9) Just how unsafe are these?
- Get it through your head. We are the guinnee pigs for these new designer drugs. Use wisely, and with the acceptance that you may grow a third arm or your dick might fall off. Or it might get bigger. Who knows.

10 ) Can I eat this?
- In it's powdered form, yes, though some are more potent than others. Eating JWH will involve a solid 5-8 hours of being very high. Watch your dosages, you can always dose up but you can never dose down. Don't forget that. Also, don't try high dosages unless you can handle some extreme panic. If you can handle a bad LSD trip, you might have a grasp on what a high dose can do to you.

Warning: If you insist upon using synthetic cannaboids, use them in their pure form, and learn to make your own blends. I have posted a video guide on how to do this in the last edition of this thread. You can do the work finding it.

So, what can you ask?

Anything that has not been covered before. Any editions to the "don't bother asking" list, PM me and it will be considered.

-Chainer
Click to expand...


Anything you think should be added to the FAQ? Post here or PM.

Old thread located here

-Chainer
 
Most if not all of these weed replacement's or synthetic cannibioid's belong to the jwh series you can find more info on wikipedia if you need to do some sleuthing
 
A good amount do, but not all. And yes, Wiki is a fantastic source of information, as is searching through our previous 2 synthetic threads.
 
Pity JWH-250 is nowhere to be found, it was hands down the best JWH and could compare to real weed...
 
Yeah, but what I'm searching for in a synth cannabinoid is something sedative rather than trippy. That said and to be honest, I tried a lot of JWH compounds but not 018. Now that you seem to praise it so much, I will take a look at this one. Thanks man ;)
 
Fair warning: it is very, very potent stuff. I suggest people with ANY anxiety issues towards synths or cannabis in general avoid it.

If not, I love how intense the come up is. I get euphoric, for sure, no other synthetic cannabinoid gives me that rushy come up. Duration is very short. It's also illegal now, but that doesn't seem to stop supply, only makes it harder to find.

IMO my favorite "sedative" blend has been -250 + 073 and a dash of -081/251 (1:1:.5)
 
Due to my job, I tried switching from weed to the RCs being offered in my area. From my experience, an OD on this stuff is similar to being drunk. The room started spinning, intense paranoia, and a feeling of sea sickness, which I guess came from the room spinning. Lasted about 20 minutes and made me throw up. doesnt happen all the time, I would be more inclined to smoke it, if it was guaranteed to happen, but im a little crazy like that.
 
I've found a couple blends that I liked: nice mild buzz, not too much introspection or paranoia, makes music sound bangin, etc. 25k was pretty solid, as was *snip* and this blend with *snip* in Rasta colors (think it was called Half Baked). But after the first ban some real whack shitted started sprouting up. *snip* was BY FAR the worst.
 
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