[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

[toasty_pete]

Lately I've been taking 3-6 rather large hits of JWH-250 pretty much every night, and I'm starting to worry I may be in some way addicted to it (I've been told it's not physically addictive, but psychologically)... if I were to take a break from it, should I be worried about any anxiety, sleep difficulties, or other psychological symptoms?

 

[MyHondasFaster]

I was spending about 15 bucks a day buying this shit, I would get two tubes for 15, probably about 1.5 grams each. I went on like that for about 1.5 months. I started getting crazy muscle spasms, my calf muscle would just fully tense up to the point of actual physical pain, then it started happening on my abs, just seized up to the point I couldnt stand straight. It was definitely mentally addictive. I will say that I never had the weird muscle spasms when I was making my own blend. I ordered 10 grams of jwh-210 and was using a little more than a gram per ounce of damiana, and found that to work quite well, and was enjoyed by all who inmbibed it. I havent used any spice products in at least 3 weeks and I can feel my muscles dont hurt any more. Ill not use spice anymore. Just good ole bud from now on. As for you guys asking about withdrawls, I would say just prepare for the normal stuff when you stop using soft drugs. Its shitty for the first couple days, just annoying not to be high I guess, than after that not much.

 

[liftedgift]

Question about smoke blends

Never posted here before, not sure if it belongs here but does anyone know what they put in this stuff now? I know it used to be JWH, then different modifications of JWH. But now, atleast in Texas JWH and supposedly cannabinoids are banned and have been for some months now. They still have sell serenity or "potpourri" and they still do get you high I'm just wondering if anyone knows what chemical they make them with now.

 

[nekointheclouds]

Please check out out Mega Thread Directory at the top of the thread!

We have a mega thread for question and discussion on Blends and other synthetics. Merging now.

 

[Jibult]

They still have sell serenity or "potpourri" and they still do get you high I'm just wondering if anyone knows what chemical they make them with now.

Nobody knows except for the manufacturer of the specific blend in question, and the labs that law enforcement send questionable products to for testing after confiscation from headshops, gas stations and other carriers of herbal blends and potpourri.

 

[OTGee]

I have to say, if any of you who smoke synthetics can get your hands on the solids, they are usually worth the money. I tried 2 local branded solid synthetic smokes and although it tastes nothing like hash (witch I was promised). They are very potent and it is nice especially the taste is good in joints on them, very herby. Of course each blend will have different chems and be made in different ratio's etc but out of the 2 that I have tried, they worked pretty well and wasn't too anxious / that synthetic feeling that you all know from these substances. Only synthetic I have tried since quitting although I have no cannabis tonight and a wee bong of the blend I have sounds kinda tempting, hopefully I will be able to resist though

EDIT: Whats the deal with how they make these? Like regular hash or something else, it just crumbles in your fingers not like soap bar which you have to burn with a lighter to crumble.

 

[helium-4]

I prefer to avoid blends (never would buy from anyone I didn't know the concentration of the blend either) and buy the chemical it self. Saves a shit ton of money. Easy to smoke (off foil, or throw in a cig). Just becareful with dose, and frequency of dosing. Alot of synthetics seems to last pretty short comparded to weed, and I'll see my self redosing alot. jwh-250 was def like that. I would redose every 30 minutes because how short the high was. A great high I must say though. (i've only personally tried jwh18 jwh250 and ur-144)

So on to the UR-144, I Found it to have some qualities much like regular marijuana, felt a lot closer to the real thing than any of the other synthetics. It felt like a very deep body high with no much mental. Though higher doses some dissociating yet, oddly clear thought process would come out. I had some slight visiuals at high doses, esp when i was on methadone with a little doxylamine and meclizine. I find that once I built a small tolerance over the past week, that dosing is easier, as I have more of a range of highs I can go to and get there easily. I smoked a very small pile, like ~3-4mg this morning and that got me perfect before work. at first that would have gotten me pretty damn high. It comes up in 90 seconds and slowly builds to the rudden rush up to being high within 10-12 minutes, creating a peak lasting 30 minutes, then theres an hour chill high.

I love it with the methadone and benzos, the heavy CB2 agonism (low affinity for CB1) makes it a wonderful addition for the body high of an opioid.

I personally don't think anyone but experienced weed smokers/HR users should touch synthetics. Its alot easier to get into a uncomfertable place and have these damn hospitalizations on them. They are potent and they don't seem to have the same ceiling that you have with weed.

 

[harshx]

Is anyone else familiar with the disgusting powdery/chalky taste that comes with vaporizing JWH-210? Even though the powder appears to physically melt into a light-caramel colored liquid before I inhale, it still feels like I'm inhaling straight powder and it's fucking gross. I really like the -210 but this is my only complaint. Any suggestions?

 

[debaser]

Roll it into a joint.

 

[marie420]

Synthetic marijuana, such as the two packages shown, were banned on Thursday in New York City and state by the city and state Health Departments.

 

[shimazu]

For everyone saying "just get the actual chemicals" be aware that in the US its a lot harder to acquire the chemicals than it is to get a packaged blend. Spice, K2, and Happy Hour seem to be the most prevalent where I live.

I have smoked the stuff a couple times, not really anything to write home about. Reminds me of diet soda, it kind of is like weed, but no matter how close they get it you will always know its not the same. And the DEA is pushing to get this stuff banned real hard, its going to be a Schedule I drug in the next 1-2 years I guarantee it.

The gas station I go to for blunts already stopped selling it the guy said it was giving his store a bad rep

 

[ChemicalSmiles]

Just wanted to make a short post...

since I stopped smoking synthetics (jwh xx's) My extreme cough has gone away, the weird chemical smell that lingered on my clothes is gone, I can think more clear. Im also reading faster and remembering more.

I will never leave weed again.

Use in moderation people.

I was smoking 1 gram of blend a day, and rapidly noticed the side effects.

 

[FlippingTop]

Best herb to spray cannabinoids onto?

Hello Cannabis Discussion,

I think this is my 1st ever post over here!

I am getting some JWH-018, 073 and 250 delivered soon and I was looking for some help on a medium for the cannaboids.
I need something that:

-Is smooth on the throat
-burns well as I would be having no tobacco in my joints

Please post any links for stores that you have purchased from as well

Thanks for any suggestions!

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[delta_9]

Wild dagga and/or damiana are quite common in "spice" blends.

Please post any links for stores that you have purchased from as well

You know better than this

There is no source discussion allowed in Cannabis Discussion. This means no links to sources and no discussing how to obtain things from a source. Any site selling (or otherwise distributing) anything related to cannabis or other drugs is an unacceptable source. Even if the source is selling something unrelated to drugs, but you're suggesting people use it in some way related to cannabis or other drugs, it is not permitted. This means no links to paraphernalia ( e.g. pipes, bongs, seeds, grinders, scales, grow equipment, etc.).

 

[FlippingTop]

posting sources to non-drug links is ok I believe.

There is a very popular 'communism rulez, show us your best buys' thread over in EADD

Thanks for the suggestions, who does Wild dagga smoke? I have heard damiana can be a little harsh?

 

[delta_9]

posting sources to non-drug links is ok I believe.

Indeed, however if you read a bit more closely...

There is no source discussion allowed in Cannabis Discussion. This means no links to sources and no discussing how to obtain things from a source. Any site selling (or otherwise distributing) anything related to cannabis or other drugs is an unacceptable source. Even if the source is selling something unrelated to drugs, but you're suggesting people use it in some way related to cannabis or other drugs, it is not permitted. This means no links to paraphernalia ( e.g. pipes, bongs, seeds, grinders, scales, grow equipment, etc.).

You are clearly suggesting that it be used "in some way" related to cannabis or other drugs. Sorry to be a stickler.

Thanks for the suggestions, who does Wild dagga smoke? I have heard damiana can be a little harsh?

I find damiana more pleasent, but this is just me. You could certainly use other herbs besides these, I was just pointing out that these specific herbs are very common in "spice" blends.
If you do a bit of searching you will find these herbs are not at all hard to come by. You certainly don't need our help.

There is a very popular 'communism rulez, show us your best buys' thread over in EADD

Being from America, I very rarely visit EADD so I would not know. I am more than willing to take your word on this matter, however.

 

[FlippingTop]

Indeed, however if you read a bit more closely...You are clearly suggesting that it be used "in some way" related to cannabis or other drugs. Sorry to be a stickler.

You are correct Sir

I will have a little read into a few legal smoke's ingredients and see if I can find a few more hints :D

 

[radgy]

Hi im new here and just made this account to see what i can learn about this topic.

I am 18 and ive been using marijuana for around 2 years and thats pretty much all i did. Recently i havent been making enough money from work to buy weed so i decided to take a break for a few weeks. Then last week my friend told me about this incense called," TRiP Supreme." Its only sold in michigan where i live and we decided to do some. It basically starts out as a weird cannabis/K2 feeling and can escalate really fast. After a couple hits you're screwed up. I knew this stuff wasnt good and that we shouldnt be doing it when he said i could have the rest since he had soccer tryouts and he didnt have time to do it. So i did it maybe 4 more times and i had a bad trip 2 times. I ended up having a panic attack and a really fast heart rate and probably high blood pressure though i couldnt check. My head felt weird and my vision and breathing was weird too. I decided to flush the crap and decided i was done with it for good and only would do cannabis again. Its been a couple days now and today i got the worst headache ive ever had. I thought what if its from the K2 (for the sake of the story lets assume its was some kind of cannabinoid). I searched google for it and found another thread on this site about people having the same problem with these headaches that go on from weeks to months and dont go away. Naturally i got very scared and since the thread was old i decided to start a new one with my own experience. I realize that this was a really stupid decision to do this stupid drug and i regret it very badly, i just really hope this didnt screw my life up. So if anyone could help me out with this i would appreciate it very much. I dont want to live with this. God bless anyone who can help me.

I have a friend who is addicted to this stuff and we were discussing how to intervene the other day. He actually smoked it with a minor at my house and she ended up on my front porch lips blue and not breathing! She ended up in the ER and it was an allergic reaction but who really knows anything about this crap? Stay away from it

 

[Vaya]

Sharkie, I moved your thread to Cannabis Discussion where I feel it will get more appropriate attention.

CD mods, feel free to kick it back my way if there is any disagreement

~ Vaya

 

[Artificial Emotion]

Now.... this is my own opinion.... but I wouldn't doubt if many of the normally ornamental or wild herbs used in incense have had pesticides/fungicides used on them as well...... even if that's for some unlikely, it's still a pretty damn good reason to not touch the stuff, and to get your friends to stop using it as well.

I would be more worried about nasty byproducts from dirty bathtub cannabinoid synthesis. The people synthesizing this stuff most likely don't give a fuck whether they're making a pure, safe product so they'll do it in the quickest and easiest way. I'm sure there are all sorts of things in there that are harmful.