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[MEGA] Synthetic Cannabinoid Discussion - Take 3

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Morkin said:
Got some AM-2201.

This is a long muddled thread so...

Opinions please? :)
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AM-2201 is crazy lol have fun.

I've had UR-144 as an off-white powder, brilliant-white powder, and now it looks and feels just like sugar. They all had the same effects, with the same potency too. Strange.

My cut damiana leaf has arrived, It has a similar texture to ground weed, but is slightly more fluffy, and is really dry! Doesn't look appetising to smoke at this point.
 
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ok so since theres a ban coming in the uk for most of these cannabinoids and they are going for dirt cheap, i might aswell try them while i can.

so to put it simply, whats the best?

MAM-2201 or UR-144?
 
David the Chansey said:
My cut damiana leaf has arrived, It has a similar texture to ground weed, but is slightly more fluffy, and is really dry! Doesn't look appetising to smoke at this point.
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damiana leaf is awful and harsh. imo the best herb to make blends out of is Mullein. it was traditionally used by natives as a medicine for upper respiratory problems... supposedly works to help clear mucous from your lungs in much the same was as Mucinex does. Mullein is a little too light and fluffy though, so i mix it with about equal parts raspberry leaf (which is way less harsh on the throat than damiana).
 
t6apb said:
ok so since theres a ban coming in the uk for most of these cannabinoids and they are going for dirt cheap, i might aswell try them while i can.

so to put it simply, whats the best?

MAM-2201 or UR-144?
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Wouldn't say theres a best, MAM certainly feels more dangerous though. Easier to panic/trip out. As for dirt cheap, not really, Im seeing like a fiver off here n there.

Seems the AKB48 and 5f analogue could possibly stay legal, as the new legislation makes no mention of indazoles.

Btw, those new BB and PB-22 cannabinoids seem pretty dodgy as they could produce 8-hydroxyquinoline as a metabolite or intermediate. Yum, antiseptic antifungal produced in vivo, just what ya want.


Linky to legislation: http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2013/176/pdfs/uksi_20130176_en.pdf
 
t6apb said:
ok so since theres a ban coming in the uk for most of these cannabinoids and they are going for dirt cheap, i might aswell try them while i can.

so to put it simply, whats the best?

MAM-2201 or UR-144?
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Get MAM-2201, honestly. It's much better IME. UR-144 just makes me sleepy lol.
 
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In March 2012, the Wyoming Department of Health was notified by Natrona County public health officials regarding three patients hospitalized for unexplained acute kidney injury (AKI), all of whom reported recent use of synthetic cannabinoids (SCs), sometimes referred to as "synthetic marijuana." [...] The results of the investigation determined that no single SC brand or compound explained all 16 cases. Toxicologic analysis of product samples and clinical specimens (available from seven cases) identified a fluorinated SC previously unreported in synthetic marijuana products: (1-(5-fluoropentyl)-1H-indol-3-yl)(2,2,3,3-tetramethylcyclopropyl) methanone, also known as XLR-11, in four of five product samples and four of six patients' clinical specimens.
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There is weed addiction and with-drawal. I smoked everyday for 13years until I had reason to stop. It took about a week cold turkey, feeling utter miserable (that said, even going a day without it made me short tempered & distracted, so I knew something like that was coming).

Now that I have the am2201, I'm not sure I want to try it... I wonder if it will bring back the old cravings. I've also been reading about how it makes you feel mentally blunted (to quote "retarded") & I don't need more of that.

Comments welcome :)
 
Morkin said:
There is weed addiction and with-drawal. I smoked everyday for 13years until I had reason to stop. It took about a week cold turkey, feeling utter miserable (that said, even going a day without it made me short tempered & distracted, so I knew something like that was coming).

Now that I have the am2201, I'm not sure I want to try it... I wonder if it will bring back the old cravings. I've also been reading about how it makes you feel mentally blunted (to quote "retarded") & I don't need more of that.

Comments welcome :)
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Have you not smoked since then?

If you think you could have problems with it then be very careful or lay out some limits or rules to your smoking before you start. This stuff is basically crackabis, is strength and moreishness. Quite scary too if you smoke too much. Even once I'd smoked over 50gs of the shit there would still be the odd occasion I thought I was dieing.

And yes, its a sort of annihilation type high, anyone you talk to will know you're baked off your mind. Cooking becomes challenging, as does anything other than continuous smoking. It'll make you sooo hungry, and sooo thirsty, but many times you'll be so high you can't even be bothered to walk to the tap.

Good luck ;)


Oh and start off with less than a milligram, I had 3 the first time and it was STRONG. Also, if your doses ever get to over 10mg its time for a two day tolerance break at the very very least.
 
just made a blend with .5g AB-001 :: .5g MN-18 :: 7g Mullein :: 7g Raspberry Leaf

produces a decent buzz with a couple tokes. probably could've made it a tad more potent (i like being able to take just one or two hits to get where i want to be). i think i still prefer UR-144, but this is alright.

damn do i really miss JWH-122 though.
 
hx_ said:
Have you not smoked since then?
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No - clean for 2 years. Your description was useful - thanks. I doubt I will smoke something that will lead to such inactivity of mind and body.
 
Morkin said:
No - clean for 2 years. Your description was useful - thanks. I doubt I will smoke something that will lead to such inactivity of mind and body.
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In the smaller amounts it can be v nice, and quite a stimulating high till you abuse it. I had sort of forgotten about the original effects due to rinsing it so badly for so long. Quite satvia like if you don't exceed a mg.

Thing I used to love about it was when a single dose would wear off I'd be pretty energised. More than one dose and that kinda goes out the window. A way I found to measure doses easily and stop the morishness by increasing the duration was to dissolve it 1mg/ml in sunflower oil, then use a teaspoon (5ml) to dose accordingly, half a spoon would work out to a dose with little tolerance.
 
do you people who smoke these synthetics prefer these over real weed? or just choose to because of prices etc?
 
I used to prefer them for the strength but after waking and baking with some bud after months of only having synthies then a 3 day tollerance break I can't believe how much nicer weed is.

Main thing is price and availably. Twenty quid gets me either just over two grams of weed, or almost ten grams of powder, ina day, in the post (with those fire sales a few weeks back and the ban panic). Also I started uni this year in a far away city and have only just found a decent weed contact, the others were shotting tens that weighed less than 0.8g!
 
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t6apb said:
do you people who smoke these synthetics prefer these over real weed? or just choose to because of prices etc?
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i am currently unemployed. i smoke synthetic because its cheaper, and because it probably won't show up on a pre-employment drug screening when i find a job.

for the cost of 3.5grams of marijuana, i produced an ounce of synthetic herb.
 
Out of all these which would be the best in peoples opinions? Branded: Doob? King Cobra? Zoot Bubblegum? Zoot Blueberry?

Or Cannabinoids: UR144? AKB-48F? AM-2233? AM-2201? MAM-2201?
 
There ain't really a best, down to personal preference, as I've mentioned above, if you want a powerful semi-psychedelic crackabis, AM-2201 is the way to go, MAM-2201 is a bit milder.

AM-2233 I wouldn't recommend as it has a funky (bad) taste and causes tinnitus and dulling of overall sound levels, can't smoke any before lectures if I want to actually hear what the teacher is saying! Good for sleep though as I live about 5 metres from the main city centre train line!

AM-1220 is ok but doesn't feel that much like weed.

Haven't tried the others.

We don't discuss branded blends here, if we did it'd be giving free advertising for shit products.
 
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